Western Christian Schools to continue...

Western Christian Schools to continue acquisition of certain as...

There are 2049 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Jan 23, 2009, titled Western Christian Schools to continue acquisition of certain as.... In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

An injunction to halt the sale of certain assets of Upland Christian Schools has been set aside.

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UCS Mom

Anaheim, CA

#81 Jan 28, 2009
Fred wrote:
UCS Mom from AOL: Can you tell me what room had Harry Potter books and witchcraft? I'd like to know as I still know a few teachers there and I'll check into it.
Thank you.
Proverbs 3:3-5
Well all I can say is that, they had a whole collection of Harry Potter books in the Middle school classrooms. We asked the vice principle why were books of the nature there, and he said that it was the teachers decision to have them there. Also he said that everything had to be approved by the administration, and those books had been approved. He also mention the Twighlight series: which is all about Vampires.
mominchino

Chino, CA

#82 Jan 28, 2009
UCS Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to answer you question. You do not have to be part of a group to know what is going on. This decision came to light just a couple of days ago. I do not know where have you been all this time. You know that many things had to be kept low key. Many things are not allowed to be said on campus. All you need to do is ask and you willl find out. Also there is time for everything. And the time has come to speak up. Yes we are christians but that does not make us stupid.
UCS mom, first and foremost, no one is accusing anyone of being stupid. Everyone should be heard, I was simply stating that voices should be presented in a CHRISTIAN manner, I am sorry you feel the comment was directed at you.
Second, I am working!! That is where I have been. Not everyone of the UCS family can afford that school without alot of work hours put behind it. Some of us rely on our information coming from these posts and things we "overhear"
I do not have the luxury of socializing in the parking lot.
WCS Parent

Bloomington, IL

#83 Jan 28, 2009
ucs parent wrote:
<quoted text> So what you're saying is that WC teachers have no control of their students do to their classroom? And children are aloud to put up what they like in the classrooms? Wow! Think of the possibilites, hmmm "My teacher doesn't like porn" I think I'll put this poster up of a nacked lady and see how long it takes for him/her to notice it. What a fun joke after all "we're so close and have such a good student/teacher relationship. Not comfortable with that.
Get a grip!!! I was simply trying to to state that WCS does not promote witchcraft. You can twist it anyway you like. You will find something wrong no matter what with WCS and apparently now the teachers. There is no lack of teacher control at the school. The only thing that is out of control is your remarks.
just watching

Chino, CA

#84 Jan 28, 2009
wow UCS mom.
Take it easy, I believe mominchino was simply asking why she hasnt heard of these meetings before.
UCS Parent

Compton, CA

#85 Jan 28, 2009
WE do not think WCS promotes witchcraft. I am sorry that these kind of things get said because I believe that it takes away from the legitimate issues that UCS families are dealing with.

Please Know, WCS parent, that the integrity of your families and teachers is not in question for most of us, nor is it the problem here.

This emotion is exactly why Winter is dreaming if she thinks people are ready for healing here. She hasn't put any foundation in place for that. She thinks that if she declares it's time for healing, that it will magically happen.

Come on everyone, let's move forward with a spirit of love for each other. We invite all to attend the parent meeting on Feb. 5th. Message through the Facebook page with your e-mail address so that you can receive e-mail with location and also updates about what is going on. Do not fight each other. Winter wants the campus at any cost, and the Naz district wants her to have it - even if she has no way to pay for it. Let them have it. The campus doesn't make the school.
UCS Parent

Compton, CA

#86 Jan 28, 2009
Remember, the enemy would love to divide us. Unite and stand strong UCS families. Be kind to WCS families. They are in the same situation we are in. We all love our kids. We love our schools. We support our teachers. None of us can control what leadership does.
Interested in Truth

Anaheim, CA

#87 Jan 28, 2009
UCS Parent wrote:
Remember, the enemy would love to divide us. Unite and stand strong UCS families. Be kind to WCS families. They are in the same situation we are in. We all love our kids. We love our schools. We support our teachers. None of us can control what leadership does.
Exactly!! But I will add that God has control of it all. He has the truth. He will deal with individuals in His way and in His time. We can trust in Him.
Nehemiah

La Verne, CA

#88 Jan 28, 2009
UCS Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
Well all I can say is that, they had a whole collection of Harry Potter books in the Middle school classrooms. We asked the vice principle why were books of the nature there, and he said that it was the teachers decision to have them there. Also he said that everything had to be approved by the administration, and those books had been approved. He also mention the Twighlight series: which is all about Vampires.
He DID NOT say they were approved by the administration, he told you they were that teacher's personal collection. The students at the middle school do not read Harry Potter or Twighlight as part of the curriculum and lit reading. Mr. Martin said the teachers try to stay up on these things so they know what students might be reading on there own-- under the direction of their parents. I can't stand this slander of WCS. Get behind me Satan!
UCS Parent

Compton, CA

#89 Jan 28, 2009
I hope we can treat each other with respect and love. There is no need to attack each other. Harry Potter & Twilight are not the issue here. That's a whole different forum. We aren't here to slander WCS.
A Concerned Parent

Palmdale, CA

#90 Jan 28, 2009
Parent 2004 wrote:
As a matter of fact I would not be shocked to see Doane and his boys come and rescue Western a few years from today. They will be in distress and he can buy it back for half of what he paid. He is not not done yet folks. Watch and when it happens you will say hey didn't some parent post that on line a few years ago. You see his church is there for 5 years free. Then he comes back and helps or so it seem the failing Western to keep the church there.
Here's half of what I paid you folks. I am buying your place. Hey if he can do this once he can surely do it again.
If you were at the meeting, you heard Ms. Winter say Western's Covina campus will be closing. Therefore, those students (most who have a desire to transfer) will be using the Upland campus. They will no longer have the Covina rent making it easier to make their payment. UCS you have a choice to either accept this situation or go to UCS "new" school. I personally do not want my children attending a school run by inexperienced, emotional parents who have great intentions but allow their emotions to dictate. No matter whose fault it is, everyone's goal is to provide a good christian environment for our children which starts at home. Remember your children are watching.
Interested in Truth

Anaheim, CA

#91 Jan 28, 2009
John 14
1Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God, believe also in me.

27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
UCS Parent

Compton, CA

#92 Jan 28, 2009
A Concerned Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were at the meeting, you heard Ms. Winter say Western's Covina campus will be closing. Therefore, those students (most who have a desire to transfer) will be using the Upland campus. They will no longer have the Covina rent making it easier to make their payment. UCS you have a choice to either accept this situation or go to UCS "new" school. I personally do not want my children attending a school run by inexperienced, emotional parents who have great intentions but allow their emotions to dictate. No matter whose fault it is, everyone's goal is to provide a good christian environment for our children which starts at home. Remember your children are watching.
That is just ridiculous. The parents aren't going to be running any school. That is not what is being proposed at all. There are rational, intelligent, and rightfully concerned parents who endeavor to start a school, to be run by competent, experienced educators and administrators who are qualified for the job. Our intention is to essentially move our unique school to a new location because they've taken the campus from us. If anyone has questions about the intent or the plans, then they should come to the meeting and judge for themselves.

If you want to save the school you love, which the thousands of letters seemed to indicate was the case, then come and see how viable and wonderful the idea really is! There are parents working prayerfully on a full time basis to save our school despite the loss of our campus, but they have stated very clearly that it won't be them who will be running this school. We will, however, be given answers and treated respectfully here.
Knows the Truth

Pomona, CA

#93 Jan 28, 2009
A Concerned Parent wrote:
I personally do not want my children attending a school run by inexperienced, emotional parents who have great intentions but allow their emotions to dictate.
Would you rather have your kids attend a school ran by corrupt people who belittle the parents of the students (read: you) and act in their own interests?

The parents will be financing the school. Just like they do with the current school. But they do not run the everyday operations of the school.
UCS Parent

Compton, CA

#94 Jan 28, 2009
One more thing - All private schools, including UCS and WCS, were started this same way. By lay people, who have a passion and who hire qualified people...
A Dedicated UCS Parent

Claremont, CA

#95 Jan 28, 2009
mominchino wrote:
<quoted text>
UCS mom, first and foremost, no one is accusing anyone of being stupid. Everyone should be heard, I was simply stating that voices should be presented in a CHRISTIAN manner, I am sorry you feel the comment was directed at you.
Second, I am working!! That is where I have been. Not everyone of the UCS family can afford that school without alot of work hours put behind it. Some of us rely on our information coming from these posts and things we "overhear"
I do not have the luxury of socializing in the parking lot.
I, also like you work (actually run a business)and do not have the "luxury" of socializing in the parking lot but I do contact people and find out this information. I know we can't pass out info on campus and we need to get the word out by voice. I continue looking at UCS hotline on facebook to keep up to date. Hope this helps you.
Parent 2004

Pleasanton, CA

#96 Jan 28, 2009
My kid graduated in 2004. I do not know anyone posting personally but hey I sure knew about the meetings. How come? Well maybe because I am really interested, put in a effort to find out what is going on,joined the ucs hotline,and care that the mission of those before me continues.
Now I spoke to a teacher there last night on the phone about a different matter and he told me they had a meeting as well. They were told that Western is having money problems and has it has not closed. They can not tell them if they will have a job or not. They said even public school teachers do not know if they will have a job.
Maybe Karen can not answer the questions because she is not so sure she has this in the bag totally.
Wouldn't it be something if they could not get a loan and did not get the place. You never know do you the way the economy keeps going and such.
So hang on to you babushka's cause it could be a bumpy ride. Remember UCS started because a teacher going to the church Mrs. Smith thought it would be a nice thing to do. She has since died. If she were with us today I think she would agree that it is still a nice thing to do.
Fred

Anaheim, CA

#97 Jan 28, 2009
6
Fred wrote:
John Coleman: Residential housing in San Bernardino County has dropped about 15% since last November, and that includes Upland. Commerical has dropped just as much. Also, particular types of property, such as schools and such, are especially subject to further drops, as they are single use properties. Example, UCS can't sell to a industrial buyer who expect to put in an industrial plant.
Hi Fred, The figures you are using are for San Bernadino County. As we know the rule in real estate is location... You should look at values in Upland. I did. Where San Bernadino is down 30.6% for the past year, Upland is down only 17.7%.
SB is down 2.1% for the past 30days to Uplands 1.6%.
The trend between October and mid January is almost flat for Upland. Have a look on Zillow.com . http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/charts/1757 ...
Click the boxes for Upland and San Bernadino.
The fact of it being a school doesn't make it drop more. Since there are no other comps and there is a buyer who has been looking for 30 years I would expect it to be a huge prize. It's not like there are suddenly a multitude of comparable schools available for sale at a fraction of the cost.
Not to mention there was a 2nd buyer who was ignored.
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Hi John: You proved my point even more than I did. I mentioned that Upland was down 15%, yet you found it was down 17%. As for the one month; one month doesn't make a trend. As for Zillow, Zillow is an estimate, not a factual appraisal. It is based on comparables. For an example, let's say that my home was appraised at $100,000 in November, but now it valued at $85,000 based on real appraisals; that would make it down about 15%. Zillow makes a value on every home based on comparables that are up to one year, which regular appraisals don't, especially in such a changing market. I looked my own home at Zillow (as a Broker I have known about Zillow for quite some time)and it value my home about $25,000 more than it's worth. Commerical appraisal take more into consideration than a comparable. It also looks at goodwill and other assets. Also, it doesn't matter if a buy has been looking for 30 years at all. The buyer doesn't have to pay anymore than the appraisal. With regard to a second buyer, once a contract has been signed, the contingent buyer can put an offer in, but it won't be taken unless the first buyer finds a way to cancel the deal.

God bless,

Proverbs 3:3-5

Since: Nov 08

Beaumont, CA

#98 Jan 28, 2009
Fred wrote:
6
Fred wrote:
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Hi John: You proved my point even more than I did. I mentioned that Upland was down 15%, yet you found it was down 17%. As for the one month; one month doesn't make a trend. As for Zillow, Zillow is an estimate, not a factual appraisal. It is based on
If you think I made your point you should reread your post along with mine. You said it was down 15% since last November (2 months).
I found Upland to be down 17% in the past 12 months. A huge difference. Comps and square footage are what appraisals start with.
I wasn't looking at a 1 month trend I was looking at the section of the one year trend in question. Your figures appear grossly inflated. Upland hasn't seen a 15% drop between November and mid January.
Of course if it wasn't a question of funding wouldn't the property have changed hands by now?
The quit claim was done promptly after the hearing.
Oh, as a broker, how many schools sales/purchases have you been involved in?
UCS MOM

Los Angeles, CA

#99 Jan 28, 2009
A Concerned Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were at the meeting, you heard Ms. Winter say Western's Covina campus will be closing. Therefore, those students (most who have a desire to transfer) will be using the Upland campus. They will no longer have the Covina rent making it easier to make their payment. UCS you have a choice to either accept this situation or go to UCS "new" school. I personally do not want my children attending a school run by inexperienced, emotional parents who have great intentions but allow their emotions to dictate. No matter whose fault it is, everyone's goal is to provide a good christian environment for our children which starts at home. Remember your children are watching.
Actually, we have many choices regarding where to educate our children that don't involve accepting this situation: other private schools, public schools, homeschooling, and moving our school to another campus.

I choose to get informed about the idea of starting a new school, run by qualified professionals in education, because I truly believe that with God's help, UCS families could unite and be a part of something miraculous! Think what could happen if the UCS families united and poured all of our energy into making the best school possible for our kids! We've already proven we can have big impact as we've united to fight for what we believe in.

I will have a plan b, which won't include anything led by Winter or the Nazarene District, but I am willing to follow this through to the end with all of my effort to see where God wants to take it. I hope other parents will do the same.

It's also my personal opinion that there might be a lot of UCS staff who might be grateful to have another option for a job next year as well.

We are smart people who have invested a lot in our kids' education thus far, and who've shown how much we care about our school. Why would anyone think that we would be careless enough at this point to jeopardize the future of our children by trying to run the school? Obviously, we understand our limitations. Thankfully, we also understand that anything is possible with God!
Parent 2004

Pleasanton, CA

#100 Jan 28, 2009
http://www.insidesocal.com/uplandnow/2009/01/...

Although some parents showed their satisfaction during last night's parent meeting at Upland Christian Schools, many showed otherwise.

""The meeting was like walking into a freezer. The warmth and unity that I expected was non-existent. What should have been simple answers from Karen Winter, the soon-to-be Superintendent, was just marketing and PR but no real answers. I heard her say "marketing and PR" at least 8 times and "I'm sorry" once. She would make a great CEO of bank but she showed no people skills last night," said a parent of a student enrolled at Upland Christian High School. "Surely, when you invite parents to a meeting to answer their questions and you stammer through the entire meeting with no answers to the important questions then you have to expect a good number of parents to walk out early, like many did," said Keri Taylor, parent of a daughter enrolled in Upland Christian High School. "I stayed until the very end to give Karen Winter every chance to turn that meeting around but in the end I walked out convinced that Western Christian is not a good fit for my family."

""I was offended by Western's request that parents not tape or photograph during the meeting, which reinforced the silence that we have had to endure. For the same reason I was also offended by efforts to limit the content of our questions and comments. They did pledge a nurturing environment, but for four months they continued to negotiate with people who came on campus and treated our staff and children with disrespect. That hardly predicts a nurturing environment," said another parent.

Many parents showed their support for merger of Western Christian Schools and Upland Christian Schools through e-mails and phone calls to Karen Winter, superintendent of Western Christian Schools this morning.

However, parents in favor of the acquisition could not be found for comment.

Those who wish to give their side e-mail sandra.emerson@inlandnewspaper s.com

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