Keith Turner arrested/ dead body foun...

Keith Turner arrested/ dead body found in backyard

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TERRI

San Diego, CA

#1 Nov 22, 2007
The attrocious find in Ramona backyard affected me in such a sad way. I was her friend. Why didn't police search for her when she firsts went missing? Because of the rumor of her being involved in meth, that's why. They just wrote her off as just another druggee. I've never seen her imbibe anything stronger than coffee. The same with him. This all make the whole case even more sinister. He was pretty clever to spread that rumor. So the police just wrote her off as a lost cause. That makes me so angry. She was a kind and decent person to me always. Missing for two years and there was narry a public word.
They look for people who go missing all the time, Stacey Peterson comes to mind, and many others who make national new. But because of the inference made about drugs, I guess she wasn't worth looking for. The police dropped the ball on this one and they too should be held accountable.
anonymous

San Diego, CA

#2 Nov 25, 2007
dude i worked with this guys daughterand he used to always come by, we used to talk and whatnot. he always seemed a little off but i never imagined him the type to do something of this caliber. its just a shock that its someone i actually knew. u always hear of this in the news but its never this close to home
anonymous

Mesa, AZ

#3 Nov 26, 2007
Weird that 2 people so far have commented who actually know one of the parties involved. I know the girl who is now dating Keith. Yes, she is still dating him. The whole thing is just too bizarre. I have to read the updates constantly just to see what new things evolve from the case. I can't believe they're (Escondido police) now looking into the death of the first wife. I haven't met him but I think he must be a sociopath if he could just dig Toby up and move her so that he could sell the house w/o risk of someone finding her.
anonymous

Mesa, AZ

#4 Nov 26, 2007
Also, to Terri in Poway, I also think from my friend's side, and Toby's sisters' side, there's too much emphasis on how Toby did drugs. Whether it's true or not (which I find highly suspicious, without independent verification!), it's a very convenient excuse for the defense to use.
SomeoneElseWhoKn ewToby

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#5 Dec 1, 2007
I'm grateful that the evil monster is in jail. I am sure that at least several people who were close to Toby never bought the outlandish story he spread about her "running away" and kept at the police until they finally got a search warrant. I don't know what took so long, but I am glad they got him before he decided to move the body to the ocean or whatever. It shocks me that the defense is attacking the dead woman's reputation, but what does a lying, scum murderer have to lose by doing so? If the law can prove he killed his first wife, he's looking at the gas chamber.
Anyway, he's caught and will no doubt spend the rest of his life behind bars and his next "wife" will be a guy who will "date" him until he can't sit down. I hope he spends every day in fear of his next "date" at the hands of his new friends in the hell hole that he will be sent to.
As for his "girl friend," well, there's no shortage of people who are willing to stand up for Keith. Strange, isn't it? Sort of like a cult of wackos or something even more sinister. Regarding anyone who supports this killer, I think it's too bad they don't get to spend some time behind bars, too. But in a way, they are already in a sort of prison, isolated from reality, common sense, and decency.
Toby doesn't have the opportunity to face Keith or those nutballs who are supporting him...but the rest of us do. If you know anyone who stood up for him in court, asking for "sympathy" for him...whether they be neighbors, friends or whatever...you should let them know how much you disagree with what they are doing and how much you think that they should shut the hell up. If they can't support the real victim, they should go to hell.
TERRI

San Diego, CA

#6 Dec 2, 2007
There's no accounting for bad taste in friends I suppose. The Ramona Sentinal had some of the best copy about this story. Her younger daughter was the one who told me that Toby had just abandoned her family. As told to her by her father. In the same conversation she said.."And she didn't even take her purse!" I said, "She didn't take her purse? That's strange." Looking back now I think that should have raised more red flags.To me and more importantly, to the police. A so called 'drug addict' wouldn't leave her purse, especially without something in it that might get her money for drugs. Was anybody paying attention?

It really saddens me that for two years, her loved ones, especially her children , must have thought that their mother didn't love them or care about them. There is a horrible crime in that. One committed by a lying, murdering sack of *#@%, who doesn't deserve to be a father.

May you somehow rest in peace Toby. That is if you ever get a proper burial, or funeral. Both of which you were mercilessly denied.
SomeoneElseWhoKn ewToby

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#7 Dec 2, 2007
The story that Toby left the house suddenly, leaving behind her purse, keys, car, credit cards, ATM card, as I have heard explained by people who knew the family, was such an unlikely story that I fail to see how anyone could have believed it. I do not know why the police took so long to act, but I am glad that they did.

I am sure that as time goes on we will learn that some of the “intelligent” friends or family members had been pushing law enforcement to act on this case since shortly after Toby “disappeared.” Some of this can be gleaned from the official reports issued to the news media, it is clear that the police were approached early on by people who didn’t believe the story that Keith told. Those people will no doubt in time have their say, they are probably waiting for Keith to be convicted before they tell their stories. I have heard that the family members that supported Toby (rather than refusing her aid while she was alive or slandering her name after her death by standing up for Keith) will present a memorial for the community and for Toby herself in the near future. If I hear anything I will post it. Ramona is a small town, everybody is talking about this case. A lot of people knew Toby, loved her, and are outraged by this case.

Oh, and one other small thing, I'm going to take this opportunity to correctly give Toby's age...she was 42 when she dissappeared...er, was murdered...she *would have been* 44 this year.

SomeoneElseWhoKn ewToby

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#8 Dec 3, 2007
by the way, when I say "the “intelligent” friends or family members" I mean those people who were close to Toby's situation and could have chosen to help, but instead chose to schlep along, mindlessly accommodating Keith and his indecent and obvious B.S. stories.
TERRI

San Diego, CA

#9 Dec 3, 2007
"mindlessly accommodating Keith and his indecent and obvious B.S. stories." You're right. And I know these people. I always assumed that they were closer to Toby than I was. But I guess not. I wish we could compare notes. Because I do not wish to slander, or cause harm to someone's reputation, by their associations, here on the internet. Suffice it to say that I was at a New Year's Eve party, across the street from Toby's house just this last holiday, December 31-January 1rst. Keith was there with his obviously new girlfriend and he was all over her. Eerily she looked alot like Toby. Only not as pretty and not as elegant. She had dark hair and a pointed nose. Now that I think of it, that's pretty much where the similarities ended.

I admitted doing. Toby's son was a witness. How can he possibly plead not guilty? What kind of judicial system are we running here? He buried her like a dog in the backyard. That's barbaric. Come to think of it, we even gave pretty decent funerals for our animals.

I do not have compassion for this monster. I do not have compassion for any supporters he might have. I don't believe that all those people who showed up at the courtroom were his supporters. I saw him on the tv turning and mouthing the words I love you to someone. But I don't believe there were a bunch of well wishers there. I think that there were so many people who loved Toby that they were curious how they had been duped, so stupid, and so obviously naive. They probably wondered how can this be, right under our noses? I wonder that myself. And no I don't have time to attend many court room dramas. But I would like to be there when they give him the death sentence.
And a lethal injection, in my book would be too kind. Are there any hanging judges left?
TERRI

San Diego, CA

#10 Dec 3, 2007
correction to my last post. 2nd paragraph. I meant to write.'He admitted doing it' in the 1rst sentence there. Sorry, for the many typos!
SomeoneElseWhoKn ewToby

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#11 Dec 3, 2007
To my understanding, Keith can’t be executed for this crime since he hasn't been charged with a capital offense. In California, that takes “special circumstances.” Although, if they end up charging him with the death of his first wife, who supposedly “committed suicide,” that could change. But even if it does, given that a trial would probably be two years off and that it takes California about 18 years to actually execute somebody after the sentence, the odds are he will be “dated to death” in prison before that time comes, or just drop dead, or be “too old” to be executed.

I was told, and read in the paper as well, that 16 people came to Keith’s arraignment and literally stood up for him. That is, the defense attorney looked out to the gallery of people and said,“Your Honor, a lot of people in his community support him, and I'd like them to please stand now” or words to that effect, and those people stood up and remained standing up afterward, even as the DA presented his case that Keith not only murdered his wife, but that he admitted that and that he had admitted burying her in the back yard and then digging her up to rebury her deeper in another spot in the yard, because he had been preparing to sell his house.

And still they stood. The community should look askance at these people and ask “what the hell are you thinking?” It’s like they were saying “Sure, Keith murdered Toby and then buried her in the backyard, and technically that is a crime, but you know, there are two sides to every story.” I really feel like puking.

And then, of course, the defense attorney was said to have made negative remarks about Toby, someone who isn’t around to defend herself, as if any character flaws that she might have had (and who doesn’t have some anyway?) somehow justified or mitigated this horrible crime. Again, I feel sick to my stomach. I hope that if there is a memorial service for Toby that all her real friends will come to stand up for her and to take a stand against domestic violence, in general.

And the murder wasn’t just against Toby. There is a good reason that the case against Keith is called “The People of the State of California versus Keith Harold Turner.” That’s because a crime like this impacts the entire community. Well, it impacts the part of the community that isn’t loopy. Not to mention that her family members and friends who loved her, missed her, and worried about her for two long years have been terribly wronged as well. The pain they must feel, just as you suffer yourself.

Toby was a very sweet lady, stuck with an abusive spouse and other pressures. Not easy to make a big transition in life under such burdens, but according to the DA (as I read in the press) when she did go to Keith to state that she wanted a divorce, he simply killed her on the spot.(Apparently as his birthday present to himself.) Keith has, according to the DA, admitted precisely this. No doubt he didn’t want to face alimony, dividing up the community property, or letting his victim go free to restart her life while she was still young and beautiful enough to have a fighting chance of starting over.

When I watched him on television, he seemed chagrined but not remorseful, as if he had been caught with his hands in a cookie jar or eating something fattening, rather than having confessed to a horrific, senseless execution of a person physically weaker than him.

I believe the best that we can expect to see is for Keith to spend the rest of his life in prison and maybe as I already mentioned, somebody really will “date him to death” in prison. He doesn’t look like the kind of abuser who would stand up to a man, let alone a group of men who want to “marry up with him” in the joint. Just your typical spouse abuser, who torments and attacks the weak, but wouldn't dare stand up to anyone capable of defending themselves..
SomeoneElseWhoKn ewToby

AOL

#12 Dec 3, 2007
To my understanding, Keith can’t be executed for this crime since he hasn't been charged with a capital offense. In California, that takes “special circumstances.” Although, if they end up charging him with the death of his first wife, who supposedly “committed suicide,” that could change. But even if it does, given that a trial would probably be two years off and that it takes California about 18 years to actually execute somebody after the sentence, the odds are he will be “dated to death” in prison before that time comes, or just drop dead, or be “too old” to be executed.



I am told, and read in the paper as well, that 16 people came to Keith’s arraignment and literally stood up for him. That is, the defense attorney looked out to the gallery of people and said,“Your Honor, a lot of people in his community support him, and I'd like them to please stand now” or words to that effect, and those people stood up and remained standing up afterward, even as the DA presented his case that Keith not only murdered his wife, but that he admitted that and that he had admitted burying her in the back yard and then digging her up to rebury her deeper in another spot in the yard, because he had been preparing to sell his house.



And still they stood. The community should look askance at these people and ask “what the hell are you thinking?” It’s like they were saying “Sure, Keith murdered Toby and then buried her in the backyard, and technically that is a crime, but you know, there are two sides to every story.” I really feel like puking.



And then, of course, the defense attorney was said to have made negative remarks about Toby, someone who isn’t around to defend herself, as if any character flaws that she might have had (and who doesn’t have some anyway?) somehow justified or mitigated this horrible crime. Again, I feel sick to my stomach. I hope that if there is a memorial service for Toby that all her real friends will come to stand up for her and to take a stand against domestic violence, in general.



And the murder wasn’t just against Toby. There is a good reason that the case against Keith is called “The People of the State of California versus Keith Harold Turner.” That’s because a crime like this impacts the entire community. Well, it impacts the part of the community that isn’t loopy. Not to mention that her family members and friends who loved her, missed her, and worried about her for two long years have been terribly wronged as well. The pain they must feel, just as you suffer yourself.



Toby was a very sweet lady, stuck with an abusive spouse and other pressures. Not easy to make a big transition in life under such burdens, but according to the DA (as I read in the press) when she did go to Keith to state that she wanted a divorce, he simply killed her on the spot.(Apparently as his birthday present to himself.) Keith has, according to the DA, admitted precisely this. No doubt he didn’t want to face alimony, dividing up the community property, or letting his victim go free to restart her life while she was still young and beautiful enough to have a fighting chance of starting over.



When I watched him on television, he seemed chagrined but not remorseful, as if he had been caught with his hands in a cookie jar or eating something fattening, rather than having confessed to a horrific, senseless execution of a person physically weaker than him.



I believe the best that we can expect to see is for Keith to spend the rest of his life in prison and maybe as I already mentioned, somebody really will “date him to death” in prison. He doesn’t look like the kind of abuser who would stand up to a man, let alone a group of men who want to “marry up with him” in the joint. Just your typical spouse abuser, who torments and attacks the weak, but wouldn't dare stand up to anyone capable of defending themselves..
TERRI

San Diego, CA

#13 Dec 4, 2007
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I am disgusted that anyone would 'stand up' for this murderer. If he doesn't get the maximum, it'll be open season on any wife who may need a divorce. I'd like to know who those people were who stood for him. If it is anyone that I know, I'd have to avoid them. For fear that I'll do something awful. I would probably spit in their faces.
SomeoneElseWhoKn ewToby

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#14 Dec 4, 2007
Good Morning Terri...I have a feeling that we'll probably meet at the memorial...in the meantime, I look forward to chatting with you then.
marie in San Diego

San Diego, CA

#15 Dec 5, 2007
I used to live in ramona, and I met Tobt in 1989 are kids grew up together, She had her share of hardships, lost a baby boy as an infant, she mightnot have gotten over that to well, but who could? Kieth should have supported her no matter what was going on in ther lives. Instead of killing her and I think it was in a state of jealousey was his way of finishing it.
marie in San Diego

San Diego, CA

#16 Dec 5, 2007
this is hard
marie in San Diego

San Diego, CA

#17 Dec 5, 2007
this is not working
marie in San Diego

San Diego, CA

#18 Dec 5, 2007
This is my first time using this web site so I am still getting the kinks out when I say the blank box over and over I thought it erased my heart felt comment so I was practicing some.
marie in San Diego

San Diego, CA

#19 Dec 5, 2007
And I did not check my spelling it is supposed to say Toby.
TERRI

San Diego, CA

#20 Dec 11, 2007
Marie; don't feel so bad about using the web. You should have seen my first endevors.It looked like a kindegartener wrote it. In fact, my husband just proofread a letter that I wrote to his sister, and , according to him , everything was incorrect.Forgetabowtit! And God Bless You!

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