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All Flesh

Greenville, TX

#21 Feb 3, 2013
William wrote:
In Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and in the first part of Acts, there is a separation between Jew and Gentile. Now that is CLEAR to the Bible believer. Matthew 15:5-7 alone makes this clear.
Yet, from Romans through Philemon, there is NO difference between Jew and Gentile. But then, we see a difference between Jew and Gentile show up again in Hebrews through Revelation. Go read it and see.
Why do you suppose that is?
The letter to the HEBREWS is written to ... HEBREWS, but Paul earlier says that we "know no man according to the flesh." James 1:1 says that the letter is written to the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad, which is NOT any Gentile.
Paul is YOUR apostle and mine. The gospel given to Paul is OUR gospel, for today. Peter, James, and John are not preaching to YOU.
W -'In Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and in the first part of Acts, there is a separation between Jew and Gentile. Now that is CLEAR to the Bible believer. Matthew 15:5-7 alone makes this clear."

Me - This was under the OT LAW (in real time). Everyone understands there was a clear separation between the two groups. It was commanded by God to keep them from going off into Idol Worship (and other reasons).

W - "Yet, from Romans through Philemon, there is NO difference between Jew and Gentile. But then, we see a difference between Jew and Gentile show up again in Hebrews through Revelation. Go read it and see.
Why do you suppose that is?"

Me - Both JEW/Gentile Entered the church in (Acts 2&10). Things went well for a time, until some of the Jews decided to include (ADD) circumcision into the NT Law (Acts 15:1)(Deut.4:2)(1Cor.4:6).

The reason why is false doctrine W. And the Jews thinking they were better than the Gentiles. False doctrine does not die easily. It grows like a cancer. False doctrine carries those decieved by it out of the grace of God (Gal. 5:4)(Heb. 10:26).

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,(Heb. 10:26)

*You can "CLAIM" you follow Paul if you want but just remember Paul had to go along way before he was able to become a Christian (thats action and not faith alone W). Paul had to go find a man so he could tell Paul what he "MUST DO" to become a Christian (Acts 9:6)(1Cor.1:21)(2Tim.2:2).

...Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.(Acts 9:6)

Pauls sins was not washed away by the blood of Jesus until he got up and was baptized (immersed in water) according to (Acts 22:16)(Acts 8:38,39).

1. Arise
2. Be Baptized
3. Wash Away Your Sins

What Paul done to have his sins cleansed in no way harmonizes with what you teach W. But if you want to claim you teach what Paul teaches fine. Even Ray Charles could see through that W.

Paul also wrote (Rom. 6:16-18). It proves man must do something before his sins are forgiven (not faith alone).

16. Decide who to serve.

17. Obey that form of doctrine.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.(become a Christian)

Paul taught the alien sinner "must do something" to be "freed from sin" (become a Christian). What you are teaching does not harmonize with what the apostle Paul taught W.

SO why don't you stop claiming you teach what Paul taught?

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William

Auburn, AL

#22 Feb 4, 2013
Paul never taught what the writer of Hebrews taught about falling away and being able to be renewed again unto repentance. He told the Ephesian Gentiles that they were sealed when they believed and trusted the gospel. Sealed unto the day of redemption BY the holy spirit.

Do you think they could lose their salvation like the writer of Hebrews tells them? And no, Paul did not write Hebrews either.

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#23 Feb 11, 2013
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,(Eph. 1:13)

...after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Let us look at when the word of God says the Jailer "believed".

(Acts 16:30-34)

30 ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31....Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,...

32....they spake unto him the word of the Lord,

33....he took them the same hour of the night,... and was baptized,... straightway.

34.... he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Notice it was not said the Jailer "believed" until after he was baptized.

The word "believed" is a synecdoche in this case. One word (believed) which stands for the whole plan of salvation.


In verse 31. we have the opening statement about the gospel.

In verse 32. we see the sermon or details of what the alien sinner needs to do to be saved.

In verse 33. we see the Jailer understood the instructions given by Paul and they went about to obey the commands of the Lord straightway.

Notice they were baptized straightway. No reason to wait when teh bible says baptism saves.

...baptism doth also now save us...(1Peter 3:21).

At midnight and in dark of teh night they went looking for water. This shows the importance of water baptism in the plan of salvation



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Sosthenes

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#24 Feb 11, 2013
William wrote:
Paul never taught what the writer of Hebrews taught about falling away and being able to be renewed again unto repentance. He told the Ephesian Gentiles that they were sealed when they believed and trusted the gospel. Sealed unto the day of redemption BY the holy spirit.
Do you think they could lose their salvation like the writer of Hebrews tells them? And no, Paul did not write Hebrews either.


26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.(1Cor. 9:27)

Notice Paul said he was running. This means he was a Christian.

But note in verse 27. Paul admits he could be a castaway.

Who wrote Corinthians?----> Paul

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Paul also wrote the following -

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

...ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

...ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

...ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#25 Feb 11, 2013
30 ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31....Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.

This is what Paul told him to do. And he did. He didn't say "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and let's get you into the water, even though Christ sent me NOT to baptize..."

That whole series of verses in 1 Corinthians 1 about Paul NOT being sent to baptize really gets the CoC's goat, doesn't it? Ruins your entire theology.

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#26 Feb 25, 2013
William wrote:
30 ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31....Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
This is what Paul told him to do. And he did. He didn't say "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and let's get you into the water, even though Christ sent me NOT to baptize..."
That whole series of verses in 1 Corinthians 1 about Paul NOT being sent to baptize really gets the CoC's goat, doesn't it? Ruins your entire theology.
Did Paul baptize? YES, just read (1Cor.1:14-17).

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

Just think a moment, if Paul was told by God not to baptize why did he baptize so many people?

If you would just read a few verses before the one you like to quote (out of context) you might get closer to the truth which saves.(1Tim. 2:4)

Whose theology is getting ruined?

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When it comes to the jailer in (Acts 16:30-34) one must read the whole (complete) account to learn what they did or did not do.

Why stop several verses shy of the end of the story?

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Notice the word of God does not say they "believed" until after the were immersed in water in verse 34. this shows one belives by obeying the word fo God. This is also shown in (Acts 22:16) when the word of God says Paul was "calling on the name of the Lord" when he was getting baptized.

If the jailer (and his family) were saved by just believing "alone", why are they outside in the dark looking for water to immerse his family?

Why not wait till next week or at least till daylight to baptize them in water?

The reason is found in the account of Paul's conversion (Acts 22:16). And how did the jailer even know about water immersion?

B/c Paul taught them about it.

(Acts 22:16)

1. Arise
2. Be Baptized
3. Wash Away Your Sins

Notice washing away of sins comes AFTER being baptized (not before).

What kind of Baptism?

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.(Acts 8:38)

Is the bible telling us baptism saves?

...waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (1Peter 3:20,21)

...eight souls were saved by water.

...The like figure

...even baptism doth also now save us

Just keep reading folks.

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Sosthenes

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#27 Mar 6, 2013

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.(Heb. 10:9,10)

When did the second covenant (2nd Law) begin?

The answer is found in (Acts 2).

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Paul Harvey

Leonard, TX

#28 Jun 10, 2013
William wrote:
30 ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31....Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
This is what Paul told him to do. And he did. He didn't say "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and let's get you into the water, even though Christ sent me NOT to baptize..."
That whole series of verses in 1 Corinthians 1 about Paul NOT being sent to baptize really gets the CoC's goat, doesn't it? Ruins your entire theology.
Now the rest of the story.

One must read (Acts 16:30-34) to get a clear understanding of what the jailer was told (Acts 16:32). Baptist and others want to stop you at verse 31, but when studying with a Baptist always read the next few verses (Acts 17;11)(1Jn 4:1-6).

Let's read the complete story on the jailer.

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

They are said to believe in God in verse 34. But what did they do to show their faith in the word of God (Jas 2:17,20,24)? They were out at night searching for water so they could be baptized for the remission of sins according to (Acts 2:38)(Acts 8:38,39)(Acts 22:16).

Do some research yourself and do not allow anyone to lead you to hell.

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Sosthenes

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#29 Jun 11, 2013
I just loved listening to Paul Harvey.

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Sosthenes

Whitewright, TX

#30 Mar 19, 2015
I asked you a question in post #9 and you never answered. I will post it once again.

*You teach "two" different gospels being taught during NT times.

Please harmonize the following scriptures with what you teach.

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W, please tell me how you harmonize the following scriptures with what you teach?

Jesus prayed the church would teach the very same thing and by this action the world would know that God sent Jesus to the earth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.(Jn 17:20,21)

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.(1Cor.1:10)

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.(Phil. 3:16)

6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us....14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed(2Thess.3:6,14)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#31 Mar 20, 2015
Galatians 2 in a King James Bible.

Two gospels.
Sosthenes

Caddo Mills, TX

#32 Mar 20, 2015
William wrote:
Galatians 2 in a King James Bible.
Two gospels.
If you are saying (Gal. 2:7) is teaching two different gospels you have an incorrect understanding of this verse. Two different people can go to two different groups of people and still teach only "one" gospel. Not only can this be the case but if the disciples were going to teach truth they had to be speaking the very "same " message (1Cor.1:10)(Phil. 3:16-19)(2Thess.3:6,14)(Luke 17:20,21).

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; ...

Show me where this verse says anything about "two" gospels?

It doesn't.

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William

Talladega, AL

#33 Mar 20, 2015
Sosthenes wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are saying (Gal. 2:7) is teaching two different gospels you have an incorrect understanding of this verse. Two different people can go to two different groups of people and still teach only "one" gospel. Not only can this be the case but if the disciples were going to teach truth they had to be speaking the very "same " message (1Cor.1:10)(Phil. 3:16-19)(2Thess.3:6,14)(Luke 17:20,21).
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; ...
Show me where this verse says anything about "two" gospels?
It doesn't.
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Paul had to explain his gospel to Peter, James and John. They had no idea what he was preaching but they agreed with it and shook hands on it. That right there did away with the so called "great commission" because the circumcision is most certainly not "all nations."

Who is the circumcision?
DEAN BERRY MINISTRIES

Fernley, NV

#34 Mar 24, 2015
Humble One wrote:
We have a theocracy in America. Jews/communists control our media, legal system, currency, etc. Their ACLU and ADL have litigated Christianity out of our schools and public places. During Christmas there is now a 40 ft menorrah on the Whitehouse lawn where there was once a Christmas nativity scene. And now our military is completely consumed with fighting the jews' wars for them. Truthmonger.info
Sosthenes

Caddo Mills, TX

#35 Mar 24, 2015
DEAN BERRY MINISTRIES wrote:
<quoted text>
We have a theocracy in America. Jews/communists control our media, legal system, currency, etc. Their ACLU and ADL have litigated Christianity out of our schools and public places. During Christmas there is now a 40 ft menorrah on the Whitehouse lawn where there was once a Christmas nativity scene. And now our military is completely consumed with fighting the jews' wars for them. Truthmonger.info

There is a push to get rid of spiritual matters in the USA but the Christian can say a prayer without even opening their mouths while in school.. The Lord knows our thoughts as well as our actions.


* What most people do not understand is that one must "first" be in Christ (in the body/ in the church) before one has "the right" to even say a prayer for "all" blessings are in Christ.

1. All blessings are "in Christ?-(Eph.1:3)

2. Prayer is a spiritual blessing "only" found "in Christ".

3. How does one get into Christ?(Ga. 3:27)(1Peter 3:21)(Acts 22:16)(Acts 2:36-47)


* How does one get "into Christ" if "prayer" is not available to the alien sinner?(Acts 2:36-47)(Acts 22:16)

I ask this question b/c churches all over the world are teaching one need to say a "prayer" to be saved.(1Tim.4:1,)

...that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;...(1Tim.4:1.2)


* The New Testament does not teach the alien sinner must say a prayer to get "into Christ".(Acts 2:36-47).

When one reads (Acts 2:36-47) he will learn how one gets into Christ. Note also -(Acts 22:16)(1Peter 3:20,21)(Col.2:12).

*.The word of God does teach the following (Rom.6:3,4)(Gal. 3:27)

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.(Gal.3:27)

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:(Rom. 6:3,4)

* I hope people will set aside their emotions and do their homework on this subject.

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Sosthenes

Caddo Mills, TX

#36 Mar 25, 2015
W, you are mistaken claiming Paul and Peter taught "differing" doctrines.

Consider this - It was the "Holy Spirit" which "guided" both Peter and Paul as to what they were to speak (Mt. 10:18-20). So they were not free to teach differing doctrines. They would have followed exactly what (1Cor.1:10)(Phil.3:16,17) says without addition or subtraction (1Cor.4:6)(Deut.4:2). For you to claim that Peter and Paul spoke differing doctrines is to charge a part of the Godhead (Holy Spirit) to speak a lie and not follow Gods word. Are you sure you want to continue going down that road?

Just something to consider.
William

Birmingham, AL

#37 Mar 25, 2015
"Go ye therefore and teach all nations".

But Peter, James, and John agreed with Paul to confine their ministry to the circumcision, while Paul went to the uncircumcision. The circumcision is most certainly not "all nations.'

Just something to think about
Sosthenes

Greenville, TX

#38 Mar 26, 2015
William wrote:
"Go ye therefore and teach all nations".
But Peter, James, and John agreed with Paul to confine their ministry to the circumcision, while Paul went to the uncircumcision. The circumcision is most certainly not "all nations.'
Just something to think about
But when you "combine" those who were sent to the "circumcision" with the others who went to the "uncircumcision" (All Flesh/ Jew / Gentile) you find they covered all the world teaching the very same gospel (1Cor.4:17)(1Cor.1:10)(Phil. 3:16-19).

* 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world ...(Col. 1:5)

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17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:(Acts 2:17).

Jew / Gentile = All Flesh

Jew in Acts 2

Gentile in Acts 10)

Within 10 years (or so) the gospel was taught to both Jew and Gentile (Acts 2-10).

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William

Birmingham, AL

#39 Mar 27, 2015
Sosthenes wrote:
<quoted text>
But when you "combine" those who were sent to the "circumcision" with the others who went to the "uncircumcision" (All Flesh/ Jew / Gentile) you find they covered all the world teaching the very same gospel (1Cor.4:17)(1Cor.1:10)(Phil. 3:16-19).
* 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world ...(Col. 1:5)
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17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:(Acts 2:17).
Jew / Gentile = All Flesh
Jew in Acts 2
Gentile in Acts 10)
Within 10 years (or so) the gospel was taught to both Jew and Gentile (Acts 2-10).
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The circumcision Jews had to wait on the atonement while Paul preached atonement right now for the uncircumcision.

They are not the same gospel and they can never be made to be the same gospel, but that is exactly what the religious world today teaches and promotes. Your church does this and so does the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic. Lutheran, Assembly of God, Pentecostal, and Jehovah's Witnesses.

You all preach and teach an accursed works based gospel that will not save anyone, including themselves.

Just something to think about.
Sosthenes

Emory, TX

#40 Apr 2, 2015
William wrote:
<quoted text>
The circumcision Jews had to wait on the atonement while Paul preached atonement right now for the uncircumcision.
They are not the same gospel and they can never be made to be the same gospel, but that is exactly what the religious world today teaches and promotes. Your church does this and so does the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic. Lutheran, Assembly of God, Pentecostal, and Jehovah's Witnesses.
You all preach and teach an accursed works based gospel that will not save anyone, including themselves.
Just something to think about.
Poor William don't realize his faith is a "work" according to (Jn 6:28,29).

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe...

What shall we do,

Jesus answered

This is the work of God, that ye believe...

Belief is a work according to the word of God.

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