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#21 Feb 3, 2013
William wrote:
In Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and in the first part of Acts, there is a separation between Jew and Gentile. Now that is CLEAR to the Bible believer. Matthew 15:5-7 alone makes this clear.
Yet, from Romans through Philemon, there is NO difference between Jew and Gentile. But then, we see a difference between Jew and Gentile show up again in Hebrews through Revelation. Go read it and see.
Why do you suppose that is?
The letter to the HEBREWS is written to ... HEBREWS, but Paul earlier says that we "know no man according to the flesh." James 1:1 says that the letter is written to the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad, which is NOT any Gentile.
Paul is YOUR apostle and mine. The gospel given to Paul is OUR gospel, for today. Peter, James, and John are not preaching to YOU.
W -'In Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and in the first part of Acts, there is a separation between Jew and Gentile. Now that is CLEAR to the Bible believer. Matthew 15:5-7 alone makes this clear."

Me - This was under the OT LAW (in real time). Everyone understands there was a clear separation between the two groups. It was commanded by God to keep them from going off into Idol Worship (and other reasons).

W - "Yet, from Romans through Philemon, there is NO difference between Jew and Gentile. But then, we see a difference between Jew and Gentile show up again in Hebrews through Revelation. Go read it and see.
Why do you suppose that is?"

Me - Both JEW/Gentile Entered the church in (Acts 2&10). Things went well for a time, until some of the Jews decided to include (ADD) circumcision into the NT Law (Acts 15:1)(Deut.4:2)(1Cor.4:6).

The reason why is false doctrine W. And the Jews thinking they were better than the Gentiles. False doctrine does not die easily. It grows like a cancer. False doctrine carries those decieved by it out of the grace of God (Gal. 5:4)(Heb. 10:26).

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,(Heb. 10:26)

*You can "CLAIM" you follow Paul if you want but just remember Paul had to go along way before he was able to become a Christian (thats action and not faith alone W). Paul had to go find a man so he could tell Paul what he "MUST DO" to become a Christian (Acts 9:6)(1Cor.1:21)(2Tim.2:2).

...Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.(Acts 9:6)

Pauls sins was not washed away by the blood of Jesus until he got up and was baptized (immersed in water) according to (Acts 22:16)(Acts 8:38,39).

1. Arise
2. Be Baptized
3. Wash Away Your Sins

What Paul done to have his sins cleansed in no way harmonizes with what you teach W. But if you want to claim you teach what Paul teaches fine. Even Ray Charles could see through that W.

Paul also wrote (Rom. 6:16-18). It proves man must do something before his sins are forgiven (not faith alone).

16. Decide who to serve.

17. Obey that form of doctrine.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.(become a Christian)

Paul taught the alien sinner "must do something" to be "freed from sin" (become a Christian). What you are teaching does not harmonize with what the apostle Paul taught W.

SO why don't you stop claiming you teach what Paul taught?

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William

Midland, GA

#22 Feb 4, 2013
Paul never taught what the writer of Hebrews taught about falling away and being able to be renewed again unto repentance. He told the Ephesian Gentiles that they were sealed when they believed and trusted the gospel. Sealed unto the day of redemption BY the holy spirit.

Do you think they could lose their salvation like the writer of Hebrews tells them? And no, Paul did not write Hebrews either.

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#23 Feb 11, 2013
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,(Eph. 1:13)

...after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Let us look at when the word of God says the Jailer "believed".

(Acts 16:30-34)

30 ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31....Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,...

32....they spake unto him the word of the Lord,

33....he took them the same hour of the night,... and was baptized,... straightway.

34.... he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Notice it was not said the Jailer "believed" until after he was baptized.

The word "believed" is a synecdoche in this case. One word (believed) which stands for the whole plan of salvation.


In verse 31. we have the opening statement about the gospel.

In verse 32. we see the sermon or details of what the alien sinner needs to do to be saved.

In verse 33. we see the Jailer understood the instructions given by Paul and they went about to obey the commands of the Lord straightway.

Notice they were baptized straightway. No reason to wait when teh bible says baptism saves.

...baptism doth also now save us...(1Peter 3:21).

At midnight and in dark of teh night they went looking for water. This shows the importance of water baptism in the plan of salvation



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#24 Feb 11, 2013
William wrote:
Paul never taught what the writer of Hebrews taught about falling away and being able to be renewed again unto repentance. He told the Ephesian Gentiles that they were sealed when they believed and trusted the gospel. Sealed unto the day of redemption BY the holy spirit.
Do you think they could lose their salvation like the writer of Hebrews tells them? And no, Paul did not write Hebrews either.


26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.(1Cor. 9:27)

Notice Paul said he was running. This means he was a Christian.

But note in verse 27. Paul admits he could be a castaway.

Who wrote Corinthians?----> Paul

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Paul also wrote the following -

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

...ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

...ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

...ye are fallen from grace.(Gal. 5:4)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#25 Feb 11, 2013
30 ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31....Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.

This is what Paul told him to do. And he did. He didn't say "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and let's get you into the water, even though Christ sent me NOT to baptize..."

That whole series of verses in 1 Corinthians 1 about Paul NOT being sent to baptize really gets the CoC's goat, doesn't it? Ruins your entire theology.

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#26 Feb 25, 2013
William wrote:
30 ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31....Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
This is what Paul told him to do. And he did. He didn't say "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and let's get you into the water, even though Christ sent me NOT to baptize..."
That whole series of verses in 1 Corinthians 1 about Paul NOT being sent to baptize really gets the CoC's goat, doesn't it? Ruins your entire theology.
Did Paul baptize? YES, just read (1Cor.1:14-17).

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

Just think a moment, if Paul was told by God not to baptize why did he baptize so many people?

If you would just read a few verses before the one you like to quote (out of context) you might get closer to the truth which saves.(1Tim. 2:4)

Whose theology is getting ruined?

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When it comes to the jailer in (Acts 16:30-34) one must read the whole (complete) account to learn what they did or did not do.

Why stop several verses shy of the end of the story?

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Notice the word of God does not say they "believed" until after the were immersed in water in verse 34. this shows one belives by obeying the word fo God. This is also shown in (Acts 22:16) when the word of God says Paul was "calling on the name of the Lord" when he was getting baptized.

If the jailer (and his family) were saved by just believing "alone", why are they outside in the dark looking for water to immerse his family?

Why not wait till next week or at least till daylight to baptize them in water?

The reason is found in the account of Paul's conversion (Acts 22:16). And how did the jailer even know about water immersion?

B/c Paul taught them about it.

(Acts 22:16)

1. Arise
2. Be Baptized
3. Wash Away Your Sins

Notice washing away of sins comes AFTER being baptized (not before).

What kind of Baptism?

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.(Acts 8:38)

Is the bible telling us baptism saves?

...waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (1Peter 3:20,21)

...eight souls were saved by water.

...The like figure

...even baptism doth also now save us

Just keep reading folks.

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#27 Mar 6, 2013

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.(Heb. 10:9,10)

When did the second covenant (2nd Law) begin?

The answer is found in (Acts 2).

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Paul Harvey

Greenville, TX

#28 Jun 10, 2013
William wrote:
30 ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31....Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
This is what Paul told him to do. And he did. He didn't say "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and let's get you into the water, even though Christ sent me NOT to baptize..."
That whole series of verses in 1 Corinthians 1 about Paul NOT being sent to baptize really gets the CoC's goat, doesn't it? Ruins your entire theology.
Now the rest of the story.

One must read (Acts 16:30-34) to get a clear understanding of what the jailer was told (Acts 16:32). Baptist and others want to stop you at verse 31, but when studying with a Baptist always read the next few verses (Acts 17;11)(1Jn 4:1-6).

Let's read the complete story on the jailer.

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

They are said to believe in God in verse 34. But what did they do to show their faith in the word of God (Jas 2:17,20,24)? They were out at night searching for water so they could be baptized for the remission of sins according to (Acts 2:38)(Acts 8:38,39)(Acts 22:16).

Do some research yourself and do not allow anyone to lead you to hell.

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#29 Jun 11, 2013
I just loved listening to Paul Harvey.

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