How to become a Christian

Sosthenes

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#63 Jan 30, 2013
John Wesley -(Rom. 6:4) We are buried with him -- "alluding to the ancient manner of baptizing by immersion."

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J.R. Graves a prominent Baptist writer, said that born of water refers to water baptism of the one previously born of the spirit and nothing else.(Jn 3:5)

He then added this -

"An interpretation that is sustained by the consensus of all scholars of all denominations in all ages" (Tennessee Baptist,Oct 30,1886,p.5).

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Sosthenes

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#64 Jan 30, 2013
Correction :

J.R. Graves a prominent Baptist writer, said that born of water refers to baptism of one previously born of the spirit and nothing else.(Jn 3:5)

He then added this -

"An interpretation that is sustained by the consensus of all scholars of all denominations in all ages" (Tennessee Baptist,Oct 30,1886,p.5).
William

Phenix City, AL

#65 Jan 30, 2013
Wesley and Graves didn't understand the Bible either, it seems. Water baptism is all anyone of any demomination (including yours) seems to want to focus on.

Which is pretty silly, given that it has absolutely no place in the gospel of Jesus Christ as given to Paul, who gave it to Timothy, so that he could teach others also.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ... where is water baptism noted as part of what Christ revealed to Paul? Good luck finding it, there or anywhere else in his 13 epistles.

Sosthenes

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#66 Jan 31, 2013
William wrote:
Wesley and Graves didn't understand the Bible either, it seems. Water baptism is all anyone of any demomination (including yours) seems to want to focus on.
Which is pretty silly, given that it has absolutely no place in the gospel of Jesus Christ as given to Paul, who gave it to Timothy, so that he could teach others also.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ... where is water baptism noted as part of what Christ revealed to Paul? Good luck finding it, there or anywhere else in his 13 epistles.
(Jn 3:5) and (Rom. 6:4) has always been understood to be speaking of water baptism by EVERYONE up until the 1800s. It is only recently that most people have departed from the truth on this matter (2Tim. 4:3,4).

All you gotta do is read the book of Acts and you will have baptism coming out your ears. But Paul did not write that book did he. So I guess you will reject all it teaches.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.(Jn 12:48)

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Sosthenes

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#67 Jan 31, 2013
William wrote:
Wesley and Graves didn't understand the Bible either, it seems. Water baptism is all anyone of any demomination (including yours) seems to want to focus on.
Which is pretty silly, given that it has absolutely no place in the gospel of Jesus Christ as given to Paul, who gave it to Timothy, so that he could teach others also.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ... where is water baptism noted as part of what Christ revealed to Paul? Good luck finding it, there or anywhere else in his 13 epistles.
6 And hath RAISED us up together...(Eph. 2:6)

and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

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27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.(Gal. 3:27)

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.(Rom. 6:4)

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God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us(1Peter 3:20,21)

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12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.(Col. 2:12)

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22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.(Heb. 10:22)

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.(Gal. 5:6)

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I want you to remember you are so out of line as long as you teach one must believe to be saved. For belief is a work according to (Jn 6:29).

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

...This is the work of God, that ye believe

...This is the work of God, that ye believe

...This is the work of God, that ye believe


Belief is a work.

Belief is a work.

Belief is a work.

I do not see how people fall for this false doctrine as long as (Jn 6:29) is in the NT. You teach a salvation by works just as I do W. Your doctrine in no way harmonizes. That will not fly on the day of Judgment.

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William

Birmingham, AL

#68 Jan 31, 2013
Paul was not sent to water baptize, so he could have been referring to water baptism in any of his epistles. The baptism that he refers to is the baptism BY the holy spirit, which one receives from God when they trust the gospel of Jesus Christ for their salvation.

1 Corinthians 12:13

There is no scriptual support for Paul stating that one must first be water baptized in order to be baptized BY the holy spirit, which is in direct contrast to what happened in Acts 2.

There is a major difference in how the believing Jews in Acts 2 got the holy spirit. Again, what was given to Peter and what was given to Paul are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, and it deals with the revelation of the mystery which was only given to Paul. Peter never knew about it.

If Peter had known that being saved by grace through faith and not of works was in the cards, he would never have preached water baptism, repentance unto Israel for killing the Jewish messiah, selling out, and enduring to the end to be saved at the second coming of the Lord (Acts 3:19). But that, as we know, is exactly what he was told to preach to those Jews on Pentecost.

Not so what Paul was given.

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#69 Feb 1, 2013
Well W you believe in a works based plan of salvation b/c of what is taught in (Jn 6:29).

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

This is the work of God, that ye believe

This is the work of God, that ye believe

This is the work of God, that ye believe

The word of God says belief is a work.

You cannot seem to harmonize much of anything in the Bible, Why not?

theancientplan.com

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William

Birmingham, AL

#70 Feb 2, 2013
Since you know that there is one gospel for Jew and Gentile today, why do you cite something from our Lord's earthly ministry?

Matthew 10:5-7 and Matthew 15:24 tells us in no uncertain term WHO he and his 12 disciples were sent to preach to.

But today, "we know no man after the flesh" so why do you suppose our Lord commanded his disciples NOT to go preaching the gospel of the Kingdom to Gentiles?

Your religion has conned you into believing that the doctrine for the Church, the Body of Christ, is found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John when during Christ's earthly ministry He isn't even SENT to preach to Gentiles.

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#71 Feb 2, 2013
William wrote:
Since you know that there is one gospel for Jew and Gentile today, why do you cite something from our Lord's earthly ministry?
Matthew 10:5-7 and Matthew 15:24 tells us in no uncertain term WHO he and his 12 disciples were sent to preach to.
But today, "we know no man after the flesh" so why do you suppose our Lord commanded his disciples NOT to go preaching the gospel of the Kingdom to Gentiles?
Your religion has conned you into believing that the doctrine for the Church, the Body of Christ, is found in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John when during Christ's earthly ministry He isn't even SENT to preach to Gentiles.
2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.(Isa. 62:2)

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.(Acts 13:46)

should first have been spoken to you
should first have been spoken to you
should first have been spoken to you

but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life,

lo, we turn to the Gentiles.(Acts 13:46)
lo, we turn to the Gentiles.(Acts 13:46)
lo, we turn to the Gentiles.(Acts 13:46)

Just as (Rom. 1:16) says.

to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

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William

Birmingham, AL

#72 Feb 2, 2013
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.(Acts 13:46)

Yep.

Now why couldn't the 11/12 have gone to the Gentiles instead of having Paul and Barnabas do it? They had "the gospel" and were sent on a so-called "Great Commission" by none other than Christ, right?

Paul has to EXPLAIN his gospel to them. They did not know what Christ had given him, and they certainly didn't teach it to Paul.

Sosthenes

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#73 Feb 5, 2013


...but seeing ye put "it" from you (Acts 13:46).

What ever "it" was, was taught first to the Jews and then the very same gospel was taught to the Gentiles.

There was no change in the gospel.

There were not two gospels.(1Cor.1;10)(Phil. 3:16)

One gospel for the Jews

Another gospel for the Gentiles.

That is false.

The One true gospel was taught to both Jew and Gentile (Rom. 1:16)

Who taught you this stuff?

theancientplan.com

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William

Birmingham, AL

#74 Feb 5, 2013
You think there is only one gospel in the Bible?

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#75 Feb 8, 2013
William wrote:
You think there is only one gospel in the Bible?
Paul did.

Gal. 1:6-9

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William

Birmingham, AL

#76 Feb 8, 2013
And as such, what is the gospel is Paul referring to in Galatians 1:6-9?

He calls it "MY" gospel in Romans 2:16, so what exactly is it and what does it entail? He was given a gospel, so where does he define what that gospel is? He conveyed it to Timothy so that he could teach others also, so it has to be defined somewhere in his epistles.
William

Birmingham, AL

#77 Feb 8, 2013
Sorry for the duplicate. Silly smart phone.

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#78 Feb 8, 2013
William

Eastaboga, AL

#79 Feb 8, 2013
Baptism is essential for salvation, alright. Baptism BY the Holy Spirit. You get it (and cannot lose it) when you TRUST the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Believe WHAT?

Christ died FOR YOUR SINS
Christ was buried
Christ was resurrected FOR YOUR justification by God

Believe that, and that ALONE, and the Holy Spirit will seal you and keep you until the day of redemption.

One Lord, one faith, ONE baptism. So are they going to preach baptism IN water or BY the Holy Spirit at this Texas conference?

Both?

Two baptisms do not equal ONE baptism.

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#80 Feb 8, 2013
William wrote:
Baptism is essential for salvation, alright. Baptism BY the Holy Spirit. You get it (and cannot lose it) when you TRUST the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Believe WHAT?

Christ died FOR YOUR SINS
Christ was buried
Christ was resurrected FOR YOUR justification by God

Believe that, and that ALONE, and the Holy Spirit will seal you and keep you until the day of redemption.

One Lord, one faith, ONE baptism. So are they going to preach baptism IN water or BY the Holy Spirit at this Texas conference?

Both?

Two baptisms do not equal ONE baptism.
1. Not a conference

2. There's only one baptism.

If there's HS baptism and h2o baptism today then that would be two.

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William

Eastaboga, AL

#81 Feb 8, 2013
Then why bother with water?
William

Birmingham, AL

#82 Feb 9, 2013
You guys seriously think that the references to baptism in the Ephesian, Roman, Galatian, and Colossian letters are about water baptism? This from the apostle who was not sent to baptize in water but to preach the cross.

FOR BY ONE SPIRIT are we baptized into Christ. We get baptized BY the Holy Spirit WHEN we believe and TRUST the gospel of Jesus Christ. We do not get it after getting in a bathtub having some sinner say a few words over us, soaking wet.

And where does Paul tell Timothy or Titus to go and water baptize people?

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