Calvinism and The Great Commission
Heath

Grapevine, TX

#41 Feb 19, 2009
Edinburgh, Scotland
“The Church of Christ assembling in Leith Walk, Edinburgh” was planted around 1798. In 1818 they numbered 250, including three elders and four deacons. At one time they only observed the Lord’s supper once a month. After careful examination of the New Testament, they returned to the “apostolic tradition” of a weekly observance (cf. Acts 20:7). During the services on Sunday morning “the names of those who had applied for fellowship are also read, and the result of the conversation which the elders and two or more of the brethren have had with them, is stated. If the church be satisfied, they are baptized in the course of a week, and received next Lord’s day.” This delay was longer than was practiced by the New Testament church (cf. Acts 16:33). They also met each Wednesday and Friday evening for prayer and public teaching. Modern churches could learn a lesson from this congregation.“From comparing the various passages on this subject, we learn that in partaking of the Lord’s supper, we are not to satisfy our hunger, and that the place for doing so is our own houses, where we may exercise hospitality to our brethren, but that the church ought not to come together to eat and drink.” Paul said,“But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home”(1 Corinthians 11:34).(Reference: The Christian Baptist, Volume 5, Issue 5, December 1827).

Tubermore, Scotland
“The Church of Christ at Tuber-more” first met in May, 1807. Their 250 members met together every Lord’s day to worship. Concerning fellowship they said,“We do not plead for forbearance as a useful scheme left to our own discretion, or justify it, as some have done, from that pleasing variety found among the works of God. Such language we hold in utter abhorrence. Variety in the works of creation is a beauty; but God is the author of that variety. Difference of sentiment upon every thing revealed by God is an evil, because it is the sinful ignorance of men. Can God command all his people to know his will, and shall it be a perfection to be variously ignorant of this?”(Reference: The Christian Baptist, Volume 5, Issue 6, January 1828).

Manchester, England
This small congregation was established in 1810 with only three members. Elders and deacons were appointed in 1817. The next year they numbered 33. Aside from three meetings each Lord’s day, they also met twice during the week for prayer, scripture reading and teaching. They attended to the observance of the Lord’s Supper every Sunday afternoon.(Reference: The Christian Baptist, Volume 5, Issue 7, February 1828).

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Heath

Grapevine, TX

#42 Feb 19, 2009
Dublin, Ireland
The Stephen Street congregation in Dublin was established in 1810 and consisted of 100 members in 1818. Their order of services was almost identical with the church in New York. They had not yet appointed elders because they could not agree upon the necessary qualifications. While explaining why they were more tolerant of differing opinions on Bible themes, they said,“that all blindness, as to apostolic precepts, is chargeable on the folly and slowness of our hearts. The same folly and slowness of heart prevented the apostles from receiving many truths at the mouth of Jesus; but as their folly and slowness of heart was not indicative of a rejection of Christ, so neither in these days do we apprehend that in the folly and slowness of professors to receive many truths in the apostolic records, is in all cases indicative of a rejection of their authority; and as the Lord bore with the apostles, we see not but his example was recorded for our imitation.”(Reference: The Christian Baptist, Volume 5, Issue 8, March 1828).

Conclusion
While these congregations were still lacking in some areas, the progress they made towards restoring the ancient order of things is important. One more item worthy of note is the tombstone of William Rogers at the Cane Ridge meetinghouse near Paris, Kentucky. It simply reads:

William Rogers
Born In Campbell Co., VA.
July 7, 1784,
Removed With His Father To
Caine Ridge, Bourbon Co., Apr. 1798
United With The Church Of Christ
At Caine Ridge In 1807
Died Feb. 15, 1862
In The 78th Year Of His Age

At the time William Rogers “united with the church of Christ at Caine Ridge,” Alexander Campbell was but a young man in his teens, still living in Ireland. The “church of Christ” was not started by Campbell, nor does it follow his teaching. The church of Christ (Rom. 16:16) was established at Jerusalem on the first Pentecost after the death of Christ — you can read of it in the second chapter of the book of Acts. The seed of the Kingdom is still the word of God (Luke 8:11).

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Justified

Dallas, TX

#43 Feb 19, 2009
Let's suppose that the church of Christ can trace it's history to 1798, that is a long way from the first century. The orthodox church and the Catholics can trace their history back to about the third century. Your articles prove nothing and give me no confidence that your denomination is an exact duplicate of the first century church.

What happened the your denomination from the time of John, the last apostle to 1798? No logical mind or court of law will accept this article as evidence. Not even the scripture speaks to this subject.
Heath

Grapevine, TX

#44 Feb 20, 2009
Justified wrote:
Let's suppose that the church of Christ can trace it's history to 1798, that is a long way from the first century. The orthodox church and the Catholics can trace their history back to about the third century. Your articles prove nothing and give me no confidence that your denomination is an exact duplicate of the first century church.
What happened the your denomination from the time of John, the last apostle to 1798? No logical mind or court of law will accept this article as evidence. Not even the scripture speaks to this subject.
"your denomination"

False premise.

Not ours and not a denomination.

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JB Good

Bonham, TX

#45 Feb 20, 2009
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD..(Isa.2:1-5)

The scriptures above speak about the church of Christ and its beginning. They speak about where it will begin. And all nations will flow into that one church of Christ

Does this fit the denomination you are in today?



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JB Good

Bonham, TX

#46 Feb 20, 2009
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.(Dan.2:44)

The above section of scripture teaches us when the church of Christ was to be established. It also teaches that kingdom (the church of Christ) once it is established will never end or be destroyed.

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JB Good

Bonham, TX

#47 Feb 20, 2009
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:(Joel 2:28)

This is prophecy about the things which would happen when the church of Christ was established.

The Lord would pour out his spirit on "all flesh".

In (Acts 2) the Lord poured our His Spirit upon the Jews.

In (Acts 10) the Lord poured out His Spirit upon the Gentiles.

After this the Lord named his people like the word of God says in (Isa.62:2).

2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

...And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.(Acts 11:26).

(Isa.2:1-5)(Dan.2:44)(Joel 2:28)(Zech 13:1,2) all told about things no one could know accept God. The things these scriptures say only fit the church of Christ and none other. This is why the church of Christ is NOT A DENOMINATION.

Now,if anyone can prove that a denomination fits these scriptures above,lets see it.

Each denomination today was started by the wrong man,in the wrong place,at the wrong time. If we can get people to see these few points with a good and honest heart they will be leaving denominations by the thousands.

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Nova

Quinlan, TX

#48 Apr 16, 2009
Nova

Celina, TX

#49 Oct 2, 2009
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.(Ezekiel 18:20)


Calvinism is a false doctrine

or

The above bible verse is incorrect.


Which one do you believe?

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Curt

Celina, TX

#50 Feb 1, 2010
I believe (Ezekiel 18:20).
Check It Out

Caddo Mills, TX

#51 Jan 5, 2013
Calvinism has been called the "do nothing" religion

1. I didn't do it, Adam did.

2. I don't have to do anything to be saved for Jesus did it all on the cross.

3. I don't have to continue doing anything for I cannot lose my salvation (osas).

Friends this is a false doctrine and will damn many many souls to hell.

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William

Birmingham, AL

#52 Jan 5, 2013
Ah, the so-called Great Commission.

Christ sent the disciples TO baptize, but he sent Paul NOT to baptize.

Ergo, Paul was not obeying the Great Commission. Paul would not be accepted into any Baptist, CoC, or Pentecostal church today.
Paul Baptized

Caddo Mills, TX

#53 Jan 10, 2013
William wrote:
Ah, the so-called Great Commission.
Christ sent the disciples TO baptize, but he sent Paul NOT to baptize.
Ergo, Paul was not obeying the Great Commission. Paul would not be accepted into any Baptist, CoC, or Pentecostal church today.


Who taught you this stuff?

It is always good to read the verses around the scripture in question. You might try this next time before you make a point.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.(1Cor.1:17)

Paul could preach the gospel as seen in (Acts 2:36-47) and someone else could do the baptizing. 3000 accepted the gospel and was baptized into Christ that day (Acts 2:41). One can see what a job it was to preach and baptize all those obedient believers. One needs to delegate when he has a big job to do.

For all those in denominations who think Paul taught another gospel and did not teach immersion in water for the remission of sins please read the verses just before (1Cor.1:17).

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

* Paul said he baptized Crispus and Gaius; (vs 14)

* Paul said he baptized the household of Stephanas (vs.16)

Paul also thought immersion in water was so important to the salvation process he was at midnight walking around with the jailer (who was about to loose his life) looking for water to immerse him and his family into Christ in the dark.(Acts 16:31-34).

Question : Why didn't they wait till the morning to immerse these people in water for the remission of their sins?

Because each of them knew the importance of water in the salvation process.

It is not the water which washes away our sins. It is the blood of Jesus (Eph. 1:7)(Rev.1:5). But those sins are not washed away till one is immersed in water with the correct faith in the operation of God (Col. 2:12)(Rom. 6:3-6)(Gal. 3:27)(1Peter 3:21).

When was the blind man in (Jn 9) blessed?

Not until he washed in the pool of Siloam.

7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,(which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

Did the water wash the blind man to the point he came seeing?



*How about Naaman in (2Kings 5:14)?

14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.

Neither was Naaman blessed until he dipped SEVEN times in the prescribed place (Jordan river).

Was this water salvation?

No it was not.

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William

Atlanta, GA

#54 Jan 11, 2013
Why didn't Paul teach Timothy to go and water baptize?
William

Atlanta, GA

#55 Jan 11, 2013
Paul THANKED GOD for not water baptizing, because that wasn't what he was sent to preach. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of water baptism if it supposed to part of salvation, now is it.

You'll figure it out one day.
Paul Baptized

Caddo Mills, TX

#56 Jan 11, 2013
William wrote:
Why didn't Paul teach Timothy to go and water baptize?
You want to move from the topic of Paul baptizing in (1Cor.1:16)?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

*****

Can you prove he did not teach Timothy to baptize in water for the remission of sins?

It seems you tend to ASSUME a great deal before you research a subject.

Wasn't it you who thought I did not rightly divide the word of God?

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Paul Baptized

Caddo Mills, TX

#57 Jan 11, 2013
William wrote:
Paul THANKED GOD for not water baptizing, because that wasn't what he was sent to preach. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of water baptism if it supposed to part of salvation, now is it.
You'll figure it out one day.
I am glas you have confidence in me figuring it out one day.

Do you mind giving me a scripture which proves your comment below.

"W'- "Paul THANKED GOD for not water baptizing, because that wasn't what he was sent to preach"
William

Goodwater, AL

#58 Jan 11, 2013
1 Corinthians 1:14-18

Learn to how to read yet, or did you hurt your head cracking it on the baptistry?

Clown.
Paul Baptized Crispus

Caddo Mills, TX

#59 Jan 12, 2013
William wrote:
1 Corinthians 1:14-18
Learn to how to read yet, or did you hurt your head cracking it on the baptistry?
Clown.
"W'- "Paul THANKED GOD for not water baptizing, because that wasn't what he was sent to preach"

God said -
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

First of all, Paul did baptize some people (Crispus and Gaius / also the household of Stephanas).

If you would just read the few scriptures just before (1Cor.1:17) you would know this very important point.

Verses 14 and 16 help to prove what you are teaching is a false doctrine.

Paul and each member of the Lords church is in-fact sent to teach baptism (immersion in water for remission of sins) if you had read (Mt. 28:18-20) you would have known this fact also. Note also (Mark 16:15,16).

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved

Signed - Clown



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Endorsement for Baptism

Caddo Mills, TX

#60 Jan 12, 2013
William wrote:
Paul THANKED GOD for not water baptizing, because that wasn't what he was sent to preach. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of water baptism if it supposed to part of salvation, now is it.
You'll figure it out one day.
Here is a ringing endorsement for Baptism (immersion in water for remission of sins).

...baptism doth also now save us ...(1Peter 3:21)


...Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; (Mark 16:15,16)

...in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us ...(1Peter 3:20,21).

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.(Gal. 3:27)

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.(Col. 2:12)

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (Titus 3:5)

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.(Heb. 10:22)

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.(Rom. 6:16-18)

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.(Rom. 6:3-6)

Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,(Acts 2:38)

(Acts 22:16)

1. Arise
2. Be Baptized
3. Wash Away your Sins

If a person can count to three they can understand when sins are forgiven by the blood of Jesus (Eph.1:7)(Rev.1:5). It surely is NOT before baptism in water according to the word of God.

Ring! Ring! Ring!

Signed - Clown

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