What The Church of Christ Teach
William

Birmingham, AL

#21 Feb 2, 2013
"Being then made free from sin."

FREE from sin. Sin is destroyed, forever. Sin will not send anyone to hell today, only the rejecting of Christ as savior, believing and TRUSTING that he died FOR YOU. THAT is obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And...

"They that are in the flesh cannot please God."

Well bless your soul, then why would anyone think that trying to "clean up your flesh" and "live holy in this world" would please God in any way, shape, or form?

Sosthenes

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#22 Feb 6, 2013
William wrote:
"Being then made free from sin."
FREE from sin. Sin is destroyed, forever. Sin will not send anyone to hell today, only the rejecting of Christ as savior, believing and TRUSTING that he died FOR YOU. THAT is obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ.
And...
"They that are in the flesh cannot please God."
Well bless your soul, then why would anyone think that trying to "clean up your flesh" and "live holy in this world" would please God in any way, shape, or form?
W - ""They that are in the flesh cannot please God."

Me - Then why did God say TO THOSE in "the flesh" (thru the apostles writings) to please Him by doing the following things.

God - 1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and {TO PLEASE GOD}, so ye would abound more and more. 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God(1Thess.4:1,2)

Me - The following scriptures teach man {MUST CHANGE} his behavior to please God (to be saved).

God - Put on and put off......(Col. 3:5-15)

5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:...(Col. 3:5-15)


*11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to {ALL} all men,...

But all men will not be sved.- WHY?

Some men will not obey (Titus 2:11,12).

*12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

(Titus 2:11,12)

* Grace TEACHES man MUST DENY certain things to be pleasing to God (to be saved).

...denying ungodliness and worldly lusts

* Graces TEACHES man MUST DO certain things to be pleasing to God (to be saved).

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Sosthenes

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#23 Feb 6, 2013
My point in my post # 19 was the the alien sinner MUST "OBEY" something before he can become a Christian.(servant of righteousmness)

I copied my post # 19 below. This point once again shows that belief by faith "alone" is a false doctrine.

This proven all by just one section of scripture(Rom. 6:16-18).

The problem is getting people to "open their bibles" an check on this topic.

*Did Paul write the following?

(Rom. 6:16-18)

16. Decide who to serve.

17. Obey that form of doctrine delivered.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.(become a Christian)

Does Paul in the verse above say one ust obey something before he becomes a Christian? If so, why are you not teaching what Paul taught?

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William

Talladega, AL

#24 Feb 7, 2013
What form of doctrine did Paul receive directly from Christ?

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

He calls it MY GOSPEL three times in his epistles. He delivers it to Timothy and the brethren with him so that they may teach others also.

Now, since Peter isn't aroused after Acts 15 or is referenced by Paul in his letters to "obey what Peter has been taught as well as what I have taught" then the "form of sound words" is only what Christ gave Paul to preach.

What is that? Believe and trust that Christ died FOR YOU, took your place on that cross, took your sins to hell, and that God resurrected him FOR YOUR justification.

"Not imputing their trespasses against them."

FORGIVEN, at the moment one trusts Christ as their savior, and sealed by the holy spirit until the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:12-14; 4:30

Are you sealed BY the holy spirit? Or are you trying to "seal yourself" by works?
William

Lithonia, GA

#25 Feb 7, 2013
Do you firmly believe that one can lose their salvation?

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#26 Feb 14, 2013
William wrote:
What form of doctrine did Paul receive directly from Christ?
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
He calls it MY GOSPEL three times in his epistles. He delivers it to Timothy and the brethren with him so that they may teach others also.
Now, since Peter isn't aroused after Acts 15 or is referenced by Paul in his letters to "obey what Peter has been taught as well as what I have taught" then the "form of sound words" is only what Christ gave Paul to preach.
What is that? Believe and trust that Christ died FOR YOU, took your place on that cross, took your sins to hell, and that God resurrected him FOR YOUR justification.
"Not imputing their trespasses against them."
FORGIVEN, at the moment one trusts Christ as their savior, and sealed by the holy spirit until the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:12-14; 4:30
Are you sealed BY the holy spirit? Or are you trying to "seal yourself" by works?
You Said - "FORGIVEN, at the moment one trusts Christ as their savior"

God Said -(Acts 22:16)

16 arise,

and be baptized,

and wash away thy sins,


Belief + baptism = Saved (Mark 16:16)



One cannot be saved until he has his sins washed away (Isa. 59:1,2)

1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

(Acts 22:16) tells when Paul had his sins forgiven.

God Said -(Acts 22:16)

arise,

and be baptized,

and wash away thy sins,

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb. 5:9)

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(James 2:24)

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?(James 2:20)

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Sosthenes

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#27 Feb 14, 2013

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Sin Separates

Greenville, TX

#28 Mar 26, 2013

W - ""Being then made free from sin."

FREE from sin. Sin is destroyed, forever. Sin will not send anyone to hell today, only the rejecting of Christ as savior, believing and TRUSTING that he died FOR YOU. THAT is obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ."

Me - You replied to me posting (Rom. 6:16-18) which clearly teaches one must obey a particular form of doctrine before becoming a child of God. This is referring to earlier in the very same chapter (Rom. 6:3-6).

I am amazed you posted the following -


W - "Sin will not send anyone to hell today, only the rejecting of Christ as savior...



Me - Have you ever read (Isa.59:1,2) or (Heb. 10:24-31)?

2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.(Isa.59:2)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,(Heb.10:26)

In a very straight forward manner the word of God says sin separates man from God.

How does this happen?

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.(1 James 1:14)

Death - is a separation from God spiritually speaking.

Sin separates man from God.(Isa.59:1,2)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#29 Mar 27, 2013
2 Corinthians 5:19-21 (KJV)

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Do you believe that Christ was made to be sin for us?
William

Birmingham, AL

#30 Mar 27, 2013
Why do you suppose that there are apparent contradictions between verses like these from Paul's second letter to the Corinthians and those verses you cite from the epistle to the Hebrews?

"Things that are different are not the same thing."

So why the discrepancy?

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#31 Mar 29, 2013
William wrote:
2 Corinthians 5:19-21 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Do you believe that Christ was made to be sin for us?
How were the Corinthians saved?

Notice -(Acts 18:8)

8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

1. many of the Corinthians hearing

2. believed,

3. and were baptized.

This does not add up to a faith "alone" plan of salvation.
William

Birmingham, AL

#32 Mar 30, 2013
1. many of the Corinthians hearing

2. believed,

3. and were baptized.

In water? Or BY the holy spirit, as 1 Corinthians 12:13 states?

"One Lord, one faith, ONE baptism."

Water + holy spirit = TWO baptisms. Which one do you side with?

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#33 Apr 6, 2013
Just as the sacrifices were offered by the Law (Heb. 10:8).

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

People are baptized (immersed in water) according to how the NT Law demands (or commands) in similar fashion.(Acts 2:38)(Acts 10:48)(Mark 16:15,16)(Mt.28:18-20)


(1Cor.12:13) is teaching people must be baptized in water for the remission of their sins according to the NT Covenant.

Notice just as there is only one law which commands obedience, there is only one body (church/kingdom).

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.(1Cor.12:13)

This verse is not teaching man is to submit to the Holy Spirit baptism today. For the Holy Spirit Baptism was only recieved by the laying on of the apostles hands (Acts 6:6 ; 8:18). When the last apostle died so did the ability to pass on the gifts to another person.

There is only one baptism for today (Eph. 4:4,5).

It is immersion in water for the remission of sins according to (Acts 2:38)(Acts 8:38,39)(Eph.4:4,5).

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; (Eph. 1:7)

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Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#34 May 4, 2013
It's good men have websites like Mission Printing and Apologetics Press to go and do some in depth bible study. Members of the coC do not want you to take our word on any subject.

Go to the word of God (Acts 17:11).



1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.(1Jn 4:1-6).

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William

Birmingham, AL

#35 May 5, 2013
"It's good men have websites like Mission Printing and Apologetics Press to go and do some in depth bible study. Members of the CoC do not want you to take our word on any subject."

It's better to have a King James Bible, and the Holy Spirit teaching the reader of it what is in it, as 1 Corinthians 2 tells us.

Do you want the wisdom of man, or the wisdom of the divine author of the Bible, teaching you what is contained therein? I know where I stand on this matter.

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#36 May 9, 2013
William wrote:
"It's good men have websites like Mission Printing and Apologetics Press to go and do some in depth bible study. Members of the CoC do not want you to take our word on any subject."
It's better to have a King James Bible, and the Holy Spirit teaching the reader of it what is in it, as 1 Corinthians 2 tells us.
Do you want the wisdom of man, or the wisdom of the divine author of the Bible, teaching you what is contained therein? I know where I stand on this matter.
W said - " and the Holy Spirit teaching the reader of it what is in it,"

Me - Is it your contention W that man cannot understand the bible unless the Holy Spirit illuminates them (helps them to understand the words of the writer)?

I think (Eph. 3:3,4) teaches something much different than you do W.

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)(Eph. 3:3,4)

******

If you really want to stay in (1Cor 2) deal with (1Cor.2:4) W.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Paul was doing miracles to prove his message was sent from God and to prove he also was sent from God.

*******

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels...

(2Cor.4:7) may be a very good study for you W. It proves that Heavenly vessels (Holy Spirit / God / Jesus / Angels) do not directly teach (earthly vessels) man what to do today. Neither do the Heavenly Vessels illuminate people.

The plan of God is for man to teach man according to (2Tim. 2:2)(Mt. 28:18-20)(2Tim.2:14-17)(Rom. 10:17).

2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

****

The Holy Spirit did not directly teach the Ethiopian eunuch what to do but rather sent Philip to teach him what he must do to be saved.(Acts 8:26-39).

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

*****

I will end with (1Tim. 2:4).

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

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William

Pell City, AL

#37 May 9, 2013
Read 1 Corinthians 2.

It is not me saying that it is better for the Holy Spirit to be our teacher. It is someone else.

The holy spirit is the divine author of the Bible, and if the Holy Spirit, writing through Paul's pen, says that it is better to trust in the spirit's wisdom than man's wisdom, then that's pretty clear direction regarding teaching and learning so that we can then "study to shew thyself approved unto God."

Pretty much cuts out the preacher, pastor, or priest altogether, doesn't it?

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#38 May 26, 2013
William wrote:
Read 1 Corinthians 2.
It is not me saying that it is better for the Holy Spirit to be our teacher. It is someone else.
The holy spirit is the divine author of the Bible, and if the Holy Spirit, writing through Paul's pen, says that it is better to trust in the spirit's wisdom than man's wisdom, then that's pretty clear direction regarding teaching and learning so that we can then "study to shew thyself approved unto God."
Pretty much cuts out the preacher, pastor, or priest altogether, doesn't it?
I agree the Holy Spirit teaches men today W.

I disagree the Holy Spirit works on the hearts of men directly. It is only through the word of God (preaching / teaching of truth) that men are enlightened.(1Cor.1:21)

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.(1Tim. 2:4)


*If I held a bible between my two hands it would be a good example of how the Holy Spirit works on men today.

God only works on the hearts of men through the written word.


3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.(Jn 15:3)



63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.(Jn 6:63)

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,(Heb. 10:15)

Notice the Holy Spirit "SAID" in (Heb. 10:15).


*This is how we learn to obey the Lord today, by reading the NT and understanding what the will of the Lord is for us (Eph. 5:17).

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

How do we learn today?

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)(Eph. 3:3,4)

1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God,(1Thess.4:1-3)

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Sosthenes

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#39 May 26, 2013
(2Cor.4:7) and (2Tim. 2:2) teach us that men are to teach men the plan of salvation.

*Heavenly vessels are restricted from teaching men how to be saved (2Cor.4:7).

*God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are Heavenly vessels. They do not work directly upon the heart of men.

*Men are earthly vessels and it's men who teach men truth (2Tim. 2;2).

It is truth which sanctifies and cleanses the souls of men (Jn 17:17).

This is the reason the Lord (a Heavenly Vessel)sent Paul to Ananias (an earthly vessel) to be taught truth.

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels,(2Cor.4:7)

The treasure is the gospel and earthly vessels (men) teach other men truth to be saved (1Tim. 2:4).

....they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,...(2Peter 2:20).

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William

Birmingham, AL

#40 May 26, 2013
"I disagree the Holy Spirit works on the hearts of men directly. It is only through the word of God (preaching/teaching of truth) that men are enlightened.(1 Cor. 1:21)"

The Holy Spirit wrote the word of God. The Holy Spirit is to be our teacher. Whether that comes by preaching or by reading the word of God, the Holy Spirit is still the final authority.

No man can replace the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

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