Why Use Creedbooks in Religion?

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

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#21 Jul 8, 2013
Go back over this thread and notice how many scriptures I have posted. I am not dodging anything.

SFTruth.org/EM.tx
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#22 Jul 8, 2013
I was asking for your interpretation of certain passages you quoted. You're using the scriptures trying to make a point, but they aren't necessarily making your point.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#23 Jul 8, 2013
Allow me to say this, if you happen to find something in this booklet of Leroy Brownlows which cannot be found in the NT and you point it out to me, you are my best friend (Gal. 4:16).

There is no reason to get upset at the mailman for delivering the mail. The thing to do is check it out, see if it's of faith or not, if it's not of faith we must drop it and return to the faith (Rom. 10:17).

...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.(Rom 14:23).

Here's the problem: You are using Romans 14:23 to say that if something is not in the scripture, it is sin and must be abandoned. More than likely the subject of this idea is instrumental music. Since it's not mentioned in the NT, it is therefore "not of faith" and is sin.

That is not what Paul is saying in the verse. This chapter has to do with matters of opinion and conscience, matters of the Jewish faith (since Jews were returning to Rome), and not judging one another over such things.

Paul says nothing is unclean, all is pure- but not all have that knowledge. Verse 23- "But he who doubts is condemned if he eats; because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin".

Simply put- in opinionated matters, matters of conscience- if a person does not have knowledge or faith that what he is doing or eating is acceptable, yet does it anyway, is sin to him, for it isn't from faith.

Reading and using whole verses and chapters can help with context.
Sosthenes

Caddo Mills, TX

#24 Jul 10, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Allow me to say this, if you happen to find something in this booklet of Leroy Brownlows which cannot be found in the NT and you point it out to me, you are my best friend (Gal. 4:16).
There is no reason to get upset at the mailman for delivering the mail. The thing to do is check it out, see if it's of faith or not, if it's not of faith we must drop it and return to the faith (Rom. 10:17).
...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.(Rom 14:23).
Here's the problem: You are using Romans 14:23 to say that if something is not in the scripture, it is sin and must be abandoned. More than likely the subject of this idea is instrumental music. Since it's not mentioned in the NT, it is therefore "not of faith" and is sin.
That is not what Paul is saying in the verse. This chapter has to do with matters of opinion and conscience, matters of the Jewish faith (since Jews were returning to Rome), and not judging one another over such things.
Paul says nothing is unclean, all is pure- but not all have that knowledge. Verse 23- "But he who doubts is condemned if he eats; because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin".
Simply put- in opinionated matters, matters of conscience- if a person does not have knowledge or faith that what he is doing or eating is acceptable, yet does it anyway, is sin to him, for it isn't from faith.
Reading and using whole verses and chapters can help with context.
And that "faith" is based on what is found in the bible.

Would you say this is true or false?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.(Rom. 10:17)

BeingSaved.org
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#25 Jul 10, 2013
Romans 10:17 is true.
So is Romans 14.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#26 Jul 15, 2013
LOL Dave they make Ali in his prime look like a slow moving train when they are afraid of speaking the truth of what they believe! ;)

FYI been 2-3 years now looking for an example of re-baptism of someone baptized in Jesus name.

Or quoting of Ezra 10 to call for divorce in order to return to a previous marriage or be hell bound.

Or a replacement for the Holy Kiss as a greeting.

Or an example of the early church building a dedicated man made temple for worship purposes.

But all I get is rope a dope from those who claim to be following perfectly the New Testament pattern, the reality of that following is, that they follow what they feel is the important parts of the pattern and can avoid the rest.

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#27 Jul 24, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Romans 10:17 is true.
So is Romans 14.
Since denominations cannot be found in the New Testament Will of God, would you say to be involved in a denomination would be SINFUL (not of faith)?(2Jn 9)(1Jn 3:4)



Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.



2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

thegospelofchrist.com

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#28 Jul 24, 2013
Below you find the reason creed-books exist.

Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

speaking perverse things = Creed-books

If the creed-books said the very same thing as the bible it would be the bible. But we know creed-books are not equal to the Bible. They are an addition (Deut. 4:2)(1Cor.4:6)(Rev.22:18,19).

Do you know if the church you attend has a creed-book?


Do you care?


Will you ask your preacher about the creed-book?

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

...that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written,...

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


thegospelofchrist.com

BeingSaved.org
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#29 Aug 21, 2013
My favorite creedbook is the Why I am a member of the Church of CHrist.

That is my favorite creed book! It's full of man made creeds.

The ONLY difference in the church of Christ and their other denominational brethren is that the church of Christ lies about being a denomination.
GBNTV org

Richardson, TX

#30 Aug 21, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
My favorite creedbook is the Why I am a member of the Church of CHrist.
That is my favorite creed book! It's full of man made creeds.
The ONLY difference in the church of Christ and their other denominational brethren is that the church of Christ lies about being a denomination.
Care to point out a few of the "man made creeds" you found in the book entitled "Why I am a Member of the Church of Christ" by Leroy Brownlow?

Since it is "FULL" of man made creeds (as you claim) surely you can find 2 or 3 very easily.

thegospelofchrist.com

thetruthinlove.com
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#31 Sep 23, 2013
GBNTV org wrote:
<quoted text>
Care to point out a few of the "man made creeds" you found in the book entitled "Why I am a Member of the Church of Christ" by Leroy Brownlow?
Since it is "FULL" of man made creeds (as you claim) surely you can find 2 or 3 very easily.
thegospelofchrist.com
thetruthinlove.com
Tell me Hebrews 6:4-7 speaks of crucifying Christ to yourself a second time is not allowed.

4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Since baptism is the putting on of Christ, is it not the way we all crucify Christ to ourselves? If not then how does one do this?

If so then can you show me one example where someone baptized in the authority of Jesus name was re-baptized?

Just one example I have asked and asked and asked again and again for this and not one of you can show me a passage.

Yet you rebaptize people already baptized in Jesus name using Acts 19 about a baptism of John that had no authority as your example to follow this misusing the scriptures.

A man made creed.

Add to it your two key verses Matthew 28:19 has historical documentation that it has been altered by the Catholic Church to include trinity baptism, show me one example of baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Acts, just one.

You also quote the longer ending of Mark that was also added by the Catholic church to eliminate anyone claiming to have the spirit since the verses include a claim that a believer can drink deadly poison and live.

Yet there are no examples of this claim being doing in the New Testament making Jesus a false prophet by using it.

"and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them"

Can you show me in Acts were this prophetic statement was fulfilled? We both know it is not there and this creates a problem since God told us clearly that you can tell when a prophet is speaking for him because his words would always be proven true.

Deu 18:21 And if you say in your heart,‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing DOES NOT HAPPEN or COME TO PASS, that is the thing which the LORD HAS NOT SPOKEN; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Deu 18:21 exposes the longer ending of Mark as man made additions to his Holy Words!

Acts proves that the trinity baptismal formula is a false addition to the Word of God because it also never happened in Acts!

And your denominations requirement of re-baptism of people already baptized in Jesus name is a man made practice that is declared in Hebrews 6:4-6 to not be possible!

You can only be baptized in Jesus authority under his name one time and one time only.

Any denomination that requires re-baptism of someone who has already been baptized in Jesus name is practicing falsely!

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#32 Sep 23, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me Hebrews 6:4-7 speaks of crucifying Christ to yourself a second time is not allowed.
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
Since baptism is the putting on of Christ, is it not the way we all crucify Christ to ourselves? If not then how does one do this?
If so then can you show me one example where someone baptized in the authority of Jesus name was re-baptized?
Just one example I have asked and asked and asked again and again for this and not one of you can show me a passage.
Yet you rebaptize people already baptized in Jesus name using Acts 19 about a baptism of John that had no authority as your example to follow this misusing the scriptures.
A man made creed.
Add to it your two key verses Matthew 28:19 has historical documentation that it has been altered by the Catholic Church to include trinity baptism, show me one example of baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Acts, just one.
You also quote the longer ending of Mark that was also added by the Catholic church to eliminate anyone claiming to have the spirit since the verses include a claim that a believer can drink deadly poison and live.
Yet there are no examples of this claim being doing in the New Testament making Jesus a false prophet by using it.
"and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them"
Can you show me in Acts were this prophetic statement was fulfilled? We both know it is not there and this creates a problem since God told us clearly that you can tell when a prophet is speaking for him because his words would always be proven true.
Deu 18:21 And if you say in your heart,‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing DOES NOT HAPPEN or COME TO PASS, that is the thing which the LORD HAS NOT SPOKEN; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
Deu 18:21 exposes the longer ending of Mark as man made additions to his Holy Words!
Acts proves that the trinity baptismal formula is a false addition to the Word of God because it also never happened in Acts!
And your denominations requirement of re-baptism of people already baptized in Jesus name is a man made practice that is declared in Hebrews 6:4-6 to not be possible!
You can only be baptized in Jesus authority under his name one time and one time only.
Any denomination that requires re-baptism of someone who has already been baptized in Jesus name is practicing falsely!
Here Wil.

http://missionprinting.us/pub.html
William

Birmingham, AL

#33 Sep 24, 2013
A creed website, with links to creed articles.

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#34 Sep 24, 2013
William wrote:
A creed website, with links to creed articles.


Creed - any statement or belief in principles.


Questions are asked on the Mission Printing website and bible answers are given to those questions. If you consider any of the answers given to be false please do bring them to our attention. You would be our best friend for correcting us in light of the bible.

16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?(Gal. 4:16)

No one is our enemy if they correct us with book chapter and verse out of the bible.

We welcome it.

whybaptism.org

thegospelofchrist.com

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#35 Sep 24, 2013
William wrote:
A creed website, with links to creed articles.
I am glad you brought us back to the OP W. Denominations have creed-books which either add to the word of God or subtract from the word of God. This is the reason we have 1000s of churches today teaching different doctrines all claiming the approval of God.

33 For God is not the author of confusion,...(1Cor.14:33)



*The church of Christ has only the bible as our creed.

W, does the church you attend have a creed-book in addition to the bible?

theancientplan.com
What Creed-Books Do

Caddo Mills, TX

#36 Sep 24, 2013
*Let us look at page 22 of The Standard Manual For Baptist Churches by Edward T. Hiscox. "It is most likely that in the Apostolic age when

there was but `one Lord,

one faith,

and one baptism,'

and no differing denominations existed,

the baptism of a convert by that very act constituted him a member of the church, and at once endowed him with all the rights and privileges of full membership. In that sense,'baptism was the door into the church.

' Now it is different:(emp. mine, hll) and while the churches are desirous of receiving members, they are wary and cautious that they do not receive unworthy persons."

****

*Now it is different! Who made if different? Making it different is warned against in Rev. 22:18-19; Gal. 1:6-9; 1 Cor. 4:6; 2 John 9-11; etc. If it is different now than it was in the first century, those who changed it must be held responsible for violating what is taught in these passages. The day it became different to Baptists was the day Baptist doctrine beg3044an! Now that we can see the origin of Baptist doctrine of this subject, let us learn something about the nature of the doctrine itself.

http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume2 ...
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#37 Sep 25, 2013
Sosthenes wrote:
<quoted text>
Here Wil.
http://missionprinting.us/pub.html
We both know I am outside your creed masters box and your denominational playbooks don't work with me, now if you have the guts to stand for your man made creeds then answer me yourself and stop running to your masters for help!
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#38 Sep 25, 2013
Tell me Hebrews 6:4-7 speaks of crucifying Christ to yourself a second time is not allowed.

4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Since baptism is the putting on of Christ, is it not the way we all crucify Christ to ourselves? If not then how does one do this?

If so then can you show me one example where someone baptized in the authority of Jesus name was re-baptized?

Just one example I have asked and asked and asked again and again for this and not one of you can show me a passage.

Yet you rebaptize people already baptized in Jesus name using Acts 19 about a baptism of John that had no authority as your example to follow this misusing the scriptures.

A man made creed.

Add to it your two key verses Matthew 28:19 has historical documentation that it has been altered by the Catholic Church to include trinity baptism, show me one example of baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Acts, just one.

You also quote the longer ending of Mark that was also added by the Catholic church to eliminate anyone claiming to have the spirit since the verses include a claim that a believer can drink deadly poison and live.

Yet there are no examples of this claim being doing in the New Testament making Jesus a false prophet by using it.

"and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them"

Can you show me in Acts were this prophetic statement was fulfilled? We both know it is not there and this creates a problem since God told us clearly that you can tell when a prophet is speaking for him because his words would always be proven true.

Deu 18:21 And if you say in your heart,‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing DOES NOT HAPPEN or COME TO PASS, that is the thing which the LORD HAS NOT SPOKEN; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Deu 18:21 exposes the longer ending of Mark as man made additions to his Holy Words!

Acts proves that the trinity baptismal formula is a false addition to the Word of God because it also never happened in Acts!

And your denominations requirement of re-baptism of people already baptized in Jesus name is a man made practice that is declared in Hebrews 6:4-6 to not be possible!

You can only be baptized in Jesus authority under his name one time and one time only.

Any denomination that requires re-baptism of someone who has already been baptized in Jesus name is practicing falsely!

Second chance to answer!

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#39 Sep 25, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>
We both know I am outside your creed masters box and your denominational playbooks don't work with me, now if you have the guts to stand for your man made creeds then answer me yourself and stop running to your masters for help!


*Let's see if you have the guts to answer the following questions.



*Which church do you attend (denom name and not location)?

*Does the church you attend have a creed-book other than the bible?

whybaptism.org
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#40 Sep 27, 2013
Sosthenes wrote:
<quoted text>
*Let's see if you have the guts to answer the following questions.
*Which church do you attend (denom name and not location)?
*Does the church you attend have a creed-book other than the bible?
whybaptism.org
Gosh how many times do I have to teach this concept to you.

YOU DO NOT GO TO CHURCH YOU ARE THE CHURCH.

Stop thinking that your man made temple is the Church!

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