William

Birmingham, AL

#21 Feb 2, 2013
Q: What gospel was preached during the earthly reign of Christ by Christ and the 12?

The gospel of the Kingdom.

Q: Why didn't they go around preaching that Christ died for people's sins? That would have been rather difficult with him standing right there alive in the midst of them, now wouldn't it? But they preached "the gospel of the Kingdom" to Israel, instead of the gospel of Jesus Christ to everyone.

So you can see, there is more than one gospel in the Bible.

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#22 Feb 5, 2013
Christ was on the earth and teaching the 12 on matters of eternal importance. But as far a reigning at that point and time I do not think that would be a correct description.

The Lord was lied on, spit upon and on just about each and every turn people was trying to kill him for the message He spoke. I would not call that reigning upon the earth at that point and time.

Once the Lord was crucified upon the cruel cross as prophecied, He laid in the tomb dead for three days and nights and then God raised Jesus up from the dead just as the scriptures described 100s of years before.

After the Lord left the earth and went up to the heavens and sit at the right hand of God then and only then was Christ reigning in teh kingdom of Heaven.


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#23 Feb 5, 2013
William wrote:
"Ye must be born again."
Why doesn't Paul, in any of his epistles, write about being "born again?"
Simple answer: the "ye" in John 3 is about Israel being born again. But you won't get that unless you are reading a KJV.
Romans 11:25-27 speaks of WHEN Israel shall be saved. Go read it and see.
Will you show me anywhere in the Bible where a prophet prophesied there was going to be "two gospels" instead of just one gospel?

I read there is one house of God (coC)(1Tim. 3:15).

Both Jew and Gentile (all flesh) were to enter the house of God (kingdom of God/church of God) in the very same manner.

baptized (in water) "into Christ" (Gal. 3:27)

that is, eight souls were "saved by water"

baptism doth also now "save us"...(1Peter 3:20,21)

so many of us as were "baptized into Jesus Christ" (Rom. 6:3-6)

What kind of baptism saves today?

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both "into the water", both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were "come up out of the water", the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip,(Acts 8:38,39)

Is it the water "ALONE" which saves? NO

The blood of Jesus washes away our sins when we obey the Lords commands by faith.(Eph. 1:7)(Rev.1:5)(Rom. 10:17)

(Rom. 6:16-18)-

16. Decide who to "SERVE".

17. "Obey" that FORM of DOCTRINE

18. "Being then made free from sin", ye became the servants of righteousness.(Became Christians)

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb. 5:9)

33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God. 34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:(Acts 10:33,34)

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#24 Feb 5, 2013
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Pay close attention to verse 34 this time around.

Gonna be kind of hard for Christ to sit on the throne of David when David's throne isn't in heaven. It was in Jerusalem. And that is where it will be again.
William

Birmingham, AL

#25 Feb 5, 2013
I can't believe that you don't have these verses memorized. Isn't the entire Bible for the Church of Christ essentially boiled down to Acts Chapter 2?

It's all you people ever seem to quote. Well, a few parts of it anyway.

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#26 Feb 13, 2013
William wrote:
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Pay close attention to verse 34 this time around.
Gonna be kind of hard for Christ to sit on the throne of David when David's throne isn't in heaven. It was in Jerusalem. And that is where it will be again.
W, it is you who needs to pay more attention to that verse and what it really means. Christ kingdom is not of this world. If no one has told you allow me to say it, Christ' kingdom is a spiritual one, not a literal physical kingdom.

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.(Jn 18:36)

You are thinking there will be a literal coming back to the earth and reigning for 1000 yrs in Jerusalem (NOT SO). That is premillennial thinking and it is false.

Notice what (1Thess.4:16) says.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

the Lord himself shall descend from heaven

the dead in Christ shall rise first

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


That will be the end of all earth habitation and here is why.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.(2Peter 3:10)

* There is no time for a 1000 yr reign in between (1Thess.4:16) and (1Thess.4:17).

*There is no time for a 1000 yr reign in between (Jn 5:28)and (Jn 5:29).


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#27 Feb 13, 2013
Notice what (1Thess.4:16) says.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

the Lord himself shall descend from heaven

the dead in Christ shall rise first

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

*******

caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


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#28 Feb 13, 2013
William wrote:
I can't believe that you don't have these verses memorized. Isn't the entire Bible for the Church of Christ essentially boiled down to Acts Chapter 2?
It's all you people ever seem to quote. Well, a few parts of it anyway.
You're being unkind W.

Your hatred for members of the coC (and what we teach) is showing. Go back and look at my post and see if what you said about us is true or NOT.

Note all the scripture posted.

I'm going to guess that the information found in (Acts 2:38) is truly what makes your blood boil the quickest. For it is so clear one must be dishonest to reject what it plainly teaches.

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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#29 Feb 13, 2013
Mark 1:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

So now you're probably going to try and tell me that John the Baptist's gospel here is the exact same gospel as what Paul preached in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

Well that's going to be rather difficult to explain, since Christ hasn't died for anyone's sins yet, and hasn't even begun his ministry at that point.

Have you actually R-E-A-D the Bible?

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#30 Feb 25, 2013
William wrote:
Mark 1:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
So now you're probably going to try and tell me that John the Baptist's gospel here is the exact same gospel as what Paul preached in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Well that's going to be rather difficult to explain, since Christ hasn't died for anyone's sins yet, and hasn't even begun his ministry at that point.
Have you actually R-E-A-D the Bible?
Your are not very good at mental telepathy W.

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#31 Mar 14, 2013
The Kingdom / The Church / The Body


* 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.(Mark 1:15)

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.(Mt. 4:17)


*The Kingdom, The Church and The Body are all one in the same.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:(Mt. 16:18,19)

*(Mark 9:1)

*1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.(Mark 9:1)

Either the Kingdom (Body / Church) was established on the earth, in Jerusalem, in 33AD or there are some very very old apostles (2000 years old) walking thee earth today.



*When does the word of God speak about the POWER?

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.( Luke 24:47-49)

*Notice -

... repentance and remission of sins should be preached

... among all nations,

...beginning at Jerusalem.

49.... I send the promise of my Father upon you

...but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem,

...until ye be endued with power from on high.( Luke 24:47-49)

*We find the fufilment of this in (Acts 2:1-4)

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

*You have just read about the beginning of the Lords church (kingdom / body) coming with POWER.


*To learn how to enter the Lords church (kingdom / body) all you need to do is read the rest of (Acts 2:36-47).

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#32 Mar 14, 2013
Part 2

*(Acts 2:38)-

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.(Acts 2:41)

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.(Acts 2:42)

47....And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.(Acts 2:47)



*Those who answered the preaching Peter done in (Acts 2) gladly received the words of God and were baptized in water for the remission of thier sins.

* The Lord added to the church (kingdom / body) those that were saved.

*****

*Question: Did the Lord place all the saved in the church according to (Acts 2:47)?

YES, all the saved were placed into the church (the kingdom) by the Lord.

Question: Were any lost people in the church (the kingdom)?--------> NO, all lost people are located outside the church (the kingdom).

Question: Were any saved people outside the church (the kingdom / body)?------> NO, all the saved are located in the church (the kingdom /body).

*The word of God says the church is the body (Eph. 1:22,23)(Col. 1:18,24).

18 And he is the head of the body, the church:..(Col. 1:18)

* How many churches are there in the NT?(1Cor.12:20)

...many members, yet but one body (kingdom / church).

The Body = The Church

Thus there is only ONE CHURCH (one body / one kingdom) according to (1Cor.12:20).

Jesus is only returning to take one church to heaven (Eph. 5:23)..

...Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

... he is the saviour of the body (the kingdom / the church).

... he is the saviour of the body (the kingdom / the church).

... he is the saviour of the body (the kingdom / the church).

One Saviour saving one body (kingdom / church).



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#33 Mar 14, 2013
John the Baptizer's baptism was not the same as the baptism spoken of in (Acts 2:38).

All one would need to do is read (Acts 19:1-6) to know there was a difference between the two.

Johns baptism was out of date by the time of (Acts 19).

I would like to note that even Johns baptism was for the forgiveness of sins.(Mark 1:4)

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.(Mark 1:4).

So why do people in denoms reject the reason for the baptism of the NT? It also is for forgiveness of sins according to (Acts 2:38-47).

It also is in water (Acts 8:38,39).

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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William

Birmingham, AL

#34 Mar 15, 2013
"So why do people in denoms reject the reason for the baptism of the NT? It also is for forgiveness of sins according to (Acts 2:38-47)."

It was not for the forgiveness of their sins. It was for remission, and you have to read Acts 3:19 to see when their sins would be taken away. At the second coming of Christ.

Remission is not the same thing as complete forgiveness. Remission was conditional. What we have today, and ever since Paul was given his gospel, is forgiveness.

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#35 Mar 15, 2013
William wrote:
"So why do people in denoms reject the reason for the baptism of the NT? It also is for forgiveness of sins according to (Acts 2:38-47)."
It was not for the forgiveness of their sins. It was for remission, and you have to read Acts 3:19 to see when their sins would be taken away. At the second coming of Christ.
Remission is not the same thing as complete forgiveness. Remission was conditional. What we have today, and ever since Paul was given his gospel, is forgiveness.
*(Acts 2:38)

Repent + Baptism ===== Remission of Sins

*(Acts 3:19)-

Repent + be converted,= sins may be blotted out

* "Baptism" and "Be Converted" - have the same meaning

* "Remission" and "Blotted Out" - have the same meaning

*(Acts 2:38) and (Acts 3:19) harmonize if one is teaching truth.

They are teaching the very same thing.

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#36 Mar 15, 2013
William wrote:
"So why do people in denoms reject the reason for the baptism of the NT? It also is for forgiveness of sins according to (Acts 2:38-47)."
It was not for the forgiveness of their sins. It was for remission, and you have to read Acts 3:19 to see when their sins would be taken away. At the second coming of Christ.
Remission is not the same thing as complete forgiveness. Remission was conditional. What we have today, and ever since Paul was given his gospel, is forgiveness.
You deleted this part out of my post.

I think it is a very powerful argument.

Do you agree Johns baptism was for remission of sins?

Question - Was Johns baptism in water and for the remission of sins?(Acts 3:23)





#1. I would like to note that even Johns baptism was for the forgiveness of sins.(Mark 1:4)

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.(Mark 1:4).

#2. So why do people in denoms reject the reason for the baptism of the NT? It also is for forgiveness of sins according to (Acts 2:38-47).

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#37 Mar 15, 2013
Correction -

Question - Was Johns baptism in water and for the remission of sins?

23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Jn 3:23)



NOT -(Acts 3:23)- this verse was incorrect.

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#38 Jun 1, 2013
William wrote:
"So why do people in denoms reject the reason for the baptism of the NT? It also is for forgiveness of sins according to (Acts 2:38-47)."
It was not for the forgiveness of their sins. It was for remission, and you have to read Acts 3:19 to see when their sins would be taken away. At the second coming of Christ.
Remission is not the same thing as complete forgiveness. Remission was conditional. What we have today, and ever since Paul was given his gospel, is forgiveness.
The conversion of SAUL (Paul).

Wash away --->(Acts 22:16)

When was Paul's (SAUL) sins washed away?

Some claim it was when He met the Lord (Acts 9:6). But that cannot be right for Heavenly Vessels cannot tell men how to be saved according to (2Cor.4:7). Men must teach men how to be saved (2Tim. 2:2)(Mt. 28:18-20)(Mark 16:15,16)(1Tim. 2:4)

Since Jesus cannot have any part with sin the alien sinner must first be cleansed, forgiven or have his sins remitted before the Lord can have any part with man.(Isa.59:1,2)

2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.(Isa.59:1,2).

*When are the alien sinners sins remitted, cleansed
or forgiven by the blood of Jesus?(Rev. 1:5)(Eph. 1:7)


Notice (Rom. 6:3,4)-

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Baptized into Jesus Christ

baptized into his death?


buried with him

buried with him

buried with him

Notice those in Rome were buried "with Him" meaning Christ Jesus. This proves the Romans sins must have been forgiven, cleansed or remitted before being connected "with Him" (Christ) b/c of what (Isa.59:1,2) teaches.

At the point of water baptism is when mans sins are forgiven by th blood of Jesus. The blessing of the blind man came AFTER he obeyed the Lord in (Jn 9:1-7) Note also Naaman in (2Kings 5:14).

7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,(which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

(Rom. 6:16-18) teaches the very same lesson.

16. Decide who to serve

17. Obey that form of doctrine delivered...

18.BEING THEN made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

That form of doctrine is found earlier in the very same chapter.

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.(Rom. 6:3-6)



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William

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#39 Jun 1, 2013
Where is the term "alien sinner" found in a King James Bible?

Or is that just some CoC "Bible-sounding" term for a sinner from another planet?

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#40 Jun 10, 2013
William wrote:
Where is the term "alien sinner" found in a King James Bible?
Or is that just some CoC "Bible-sounding" term for a sinner from another planet?
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and without Christ, having no hope, and without God in the world:(Eph. 2:12)

...without Christ,---> Must be a sinner.

.. having no hope ---> Sounds like a sinner.

... without God -----> Sounds like a sinner.

...being "aliens" from the commonwealth of Israel

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