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Sosthenes

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#1 Jul 15, 2013

Below you will find 10 lessons on Pre-Millennialism.

It will be well worth your time to check out these lessons.



*Pre-Millennialism: A System of Unbelief by Bill Lockwood

http://www.iowaparkcoc.org/videosermons/premi...

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Sosthenes

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#2 Jul 15, 2013
Does your preacher teach there is going to be a rapture?

Does your preacher teach there is going to be a literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth?

Does your preacher teach the kingdom has not yet been established?

Brother Bill Lockwood does a fine job of teaching truth on these matters. He preaches for the church of Christ in Iowa Park, Tx.

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For answers to more bible questions check out -

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William

Birmingham, AL

#3 Jul 17, 2013
Zechariah 14 (KJV)

1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Jesus Christ didn't return in AD 70 when the Roman army leveled Jerusalem, nor did he come and set foot on the Mount of Olives during the battle.

But he most certainly will.

Unless you just don't want to believe the Bible means what it says.
William

Birmingham, AL

#4 Jul 17, 2013
Zechariah 14:11 (KJV)

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Was Jerusalem "safely inhabited" after the events of AD 70? Has it been safely inhabited ever since then?

It certainly isn't today, what with the ever-present threat from Islamic terrorists.

Sosthenes

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#5 Jul 17, 2013
Question - Was Jesus ever at the mount of Olives?

YES

1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.(Jn 8:1,2)



*Was (Zech. 14) fulfilled?

*Yes in (Jn 8:1,2).



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William

Birmingham, AL

#6 Jul 18, 2013
"Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.(Jn 8:1,2)"

But:

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

NONE of those things in Zechariah 14:4 happened when Jesus taught his disciples as outlined in John 8.

William

Weaver, AL

#7 Jul 18, 2013
Zechariah 14:11

Was Jerusalem safely inhabited when Jesus was there? No foreign army around to occupy it?

"Crucify this man. We shall have no King but Ceaser."

Sure doesn't look like it.

Sosthenes

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#8 Jul 20, 2013
Did Jesus plant His feet on the mount of Olives?

YES or NO


*1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.(Jn 8:1,2)



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William

Birmingham, AL

#9 Jul 20, 2013
Jesus went twice to the mount of Olives (John 8 and Acts 1). And neither time were the events recorded in Zechariah 14 in effect.

Was Jerusalem "safely inhabited" when Jesus was alive and walking around in it, or after his resurrection? What about in AD 70 when Titus and the Roman army leveled it?

When was it ever "safely inhabited?"

You really should ditch your Roman Catholic view of Revelation and start believing the Bible. Christ is coming again to set foot on the mount of Olives, and you do not want to be here when that happens.

Sosthenes

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#10 Jul 24, 2013
William wrote:
Jesus went twice to the mount of Olives (John 8 and Acts 1). And neither time were the events recorded in Zechariah 14 in effect.
Was Jerusalem "safely inhabited" when Jesus was alive and walking around in it, or after his resurrection? What about in AD 70 when Titus and the Roman army leveled it?
When was it ever "safely inhabited?"
You really should ditch your Roman Catholic view of Revelation and start believing the Bible. Christ is coming again to set foot on the mount of Olives, and you do not want to be here when that happens.
W - "You really should ditch your Roman Catholic view of Revelation and start believing the Bible. Christ is coming again to set foot on the mount of Olives, and you do not want to be here when that happens."

Me - Revelation (the book) was to churches during the first century which were going through a terrible time.

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia:

to the seven churches which are in Asia:
to the seven churches which are in Asia:
to the seven churches which are in Asia:

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;

NOT some 2000 yrs later.

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The following scripture teaches the faithful will go meet the Lord in the air (1Thess. 4:16,17).

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

to meet the Lord in the air:

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Denominational people have it backwards. they have the Lord coming to the earth.

Not so.

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The good and the evil will be raised the same hour according to (Jn 5:28).

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The bible says nothing about a 1000yr reign between the time the good and the evil are raised. Denominational people try to force the scriptures to say so.

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William

Birmingham, AL

#11 Jul 25, 2013
Jesus went twice to the mount of Olives (John 8 and Acts 1). And neither time were the events recorded in Zechariah 14 in effect.

Was Jerusalem "safely inhabited" when Jesus was alive and walking around in it, or after his resurrection? What about in AD 70 when Titus and the Roman army leveled it?

Once again, WHEN was Jerusalem ever "safely inhabited" as the inspired writer of Zechariah states?

At the time of Christ's earthly ministry? Hardly. The Roman army was there, and oppression was rampant.

At the time of Christ's crucifixion and resurrection? Hardly. Roman soldiers nailed him to that cross.

When Stephen was killed? Hardly. Now you've got unbelieving Jews killing believing Jews.

AD 70? Hardly. The Roman army leveled it, and anybody left alive hit the road out of town.

So that leaves us with "at no time" was Jerusalem "safely inhabited."

Why?

Because it hasn't happened yet. But it most certainly will. Jesus Christ literally walked the earth, and he will literally return to it. Setting foot on the same Mount of Olives that he left from in Acts 1.

BOOK IT.
William

Birmingham, AL

#12 Jul 25, 2013
Matthew 19:26-28 (KJV)

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

WHEN the Son of man SHALL sit in the throne of his glory, the 12 SHALL sit on 12 thrones.

But wait, didn't Alex Campbell and Co. say that Christ was ALREADY sitting on his throne?

Looks like it's time to revise some more CoC doctrine to "spiritualize" these important directions from Christ. Along with the rest of the Bible.

Sosthenes

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#13 Jul 26, 2013
William wrote:
Jesus went twice to the mount of Olives (John 8 and Acts 1). And neither time were the events recorded in Zechariah 14 in effect.
Was Jerusalem "safely inhabited" when Jesus was alive and walking around in it, or after his resurrection? What about in AD 70 when Titus and the Roman army leveled it?
Once again, WHEN was Jerusalem ever "safely inhabited" as the inspired writer of Zechariah states?
At the time of Christ's earthly ministry? Hardly. The Roman army was there, and oppression was rampant.
At the time of Christ's crucifixion and resurrection? Hardly. Roman soldiers nailed him to that cross.
When Stephen was killed? Hardly. Now you've got unbelieving Jews killing believing Jews.
AD 70? Hardly. The Roman army leveled it, and anybody left alive hit the road out of town.
So that leaves us with "at no time" was Jerusalem "safely inhabited."
Why?
Because it hasn't happened yet. But it most certainly will. Jesus Christ literally walked the earth, and he will literally return to it. Setting foot on the same Mount of Olives that he left from in Acts 1.
BOOK IT.
W - "Was Jerusalem "safely inhabited" when Jesus was alive and walking around in it, or after his resurrection"



*Me - Remember what (Isa. 2:1-5) says?


Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

When were they going to put away the swords and not learn of war anymore?

Lets look at (Isa. 2:2). 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

in the last days
in the last days
in the last days

When were "the last days"?

28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:(Joel 2:28).

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:(Acts 2:17)

The verses above are referring to (Acts 2:1-4).

Since (Acts 2) till today we have all been in the last days. We as Christians do not seek war rather we seek peace. The ultimate peace is only found in Christ (in the church / in the kingdom).

There are only two scriptures which teach man how to get "into Christ".

(Rom. 6:4)- baptized into Jesus Christ

(Gal.3:27)- baptized into Christ

What kind of baptism?

Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water,(Acts 8:38,39)

When are sins forgiven by the blood of Jesus?

(Acts 2:38)(Acts 22:16)(Eph. 1:7)(Rev. 1:5)


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W - "Jesus Christ literally walked the earth, and he will literally return to it. "


*The Lord says - 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(1Thess.4:16).

Me - What part of the above statement do you not get?

...we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(1Thess.4:16).

to meet the Lord in the air:

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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William

Birmingham, AL

#14 Jul 26, 2013
Once again, W-H-E-N was Jerusalem ever "safely inhabited," as the writer of Zechariah states?

The answer that you are looking for is: "At NO time was Jerusalem ever safely inhabited."

But it will be.
William

Birmingham, AL

#15 Jul 26, 2013
"When were they going to put away the swords and not learn of war anymore?

Lets look at (Isa. 2:2). 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

in the last days
in the last days
in the last days

When were "the last days"?

You are certifiably nuts. Has ANYONE over there put away their swords and weapons? In Acts 2 the Roman army was in charge, and were killing anyone they pleased. In AD 70, Titus and the Roman army leveled the place. There hasn't been ANY peace in that land since Solomon, and that was YEARS before Christ and after the land had fallen into idolatry.

"Since (Acts 2) till today we have all been in the last days. We as Christians do not seek war rather we seek peace."

Really? How's that been working out? You recently had a "Christian" president (from Texas, no less) start a war in a predominately Muslim country for NO REASON other than to prove that he was just as tough as his daddy was on that country. So don't give me any of this B.S. that we don't seek war.

Sosthenes

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#16 Jul 26, 2013
William wrote:
"When were they going to put away the swords and not learn of war anymore?
Lets look at (Isa. 2:2). 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
in the last days
in the last days
in the last days
When were "the last days"?
You are certifiably nuts. Has ANYONE over there put away their swords and weapons? In Acts 2 the Roman army was in charge, and were killing anyone they pleased. In AD 70, Titus and the Roman army leveled the place. There hasn't been ANY peace in that land since Solomon, and that was YEARS before Christ and after the land had fallen into idolatry.
"Since (Acts 2) till today we have all been in the last days. We as Christians do not seek war rather we seek peace."
Really? How's that been working out? You recently had a "Christian" president (from Texas, no less) start a war in a predominately Muslim country for NO REASON other than to prove that he was just as tough as his daddy was on that country. So don't give me any of this B.S. that we don't seek war.
The question is "when were the last days"?

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
(Acts 2:16,17)(Joel 2:28).

What Joel was referring to is found in (Acts 2:1-4).

Since that time we have been in the last days, or the word of God lied.

(Rom. 13) says governments have the right to go to war. But Christians as individuals are to seek peace when possible (Rom. 12:18)(Isa. 2:1-5).

Bush is not a Christian he belongs to a denomination.

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William

Sylacauga, AL

#17 Jul 26, 2013
Was Jerusalem safely inhabited during those "last days?"

No, it was not. Therefore it was not the last days.

And yeah, Bush was no Christian. Good thing that Obama went to a Church of Christ in Chicago, huh?
William

Sylacauga, AL

#18 Jul 26, 2013
But hey, just harp on about water baptism, since that is all the Church of Christ really worships.
William

Birmingham, AL

#19 Jul 26, 2013
The prophet Zechariah wrote:“Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south”(Zechariah 14:1-4).

T-H-E-N shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

The Lord DID NOT show up to battle with Israel in AD 70. Israel was DEFEATED in AD 70 and the Lord was absent because Israel had been cast aside until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, so you better get used to the idea that Christ is coming back to rule Israel with a rod of iron ... just like the Bible says.

Sosthenes

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#20 Jul 26, 2013
William wrote:
But hey, just harp on about water baptism, since that is all the Church of Christ really worships.
False charge and a cheap shot.

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