Asking questions in the baptist churc...
Angel Heart

Emory, TX

#21 Dec 10, 2012
Angel Heart wrote:
I had a conversation with a Baptist preacher about faith "only" salvation.
He confessed he taught this very doctrine.
So I began asking him questions about this doctrine.
He quoted (Rom 10:9,10).
Here is what it says.
9 That if thou shalt CONFESS with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth CONFESSION is made unto salvation.
Can you see the problem he has with his doctrine?
Not only does (Rom. 10:9,10) teach one must believe but it also says one must "CONFESS" the Lord Jesus rose from the dead by the power of God with thy mouth.
Friend "confession" is an action on the part of the lost person.
It is something the New Testament teaches one must do to be saved.
That is NOT faith only salvation.
So I told the Baptist preacher the very verse he quoted me which he thought taught salvation by faith "alone" actually was saying the alien sinner needed to "confess" with the mouth the Lord Jesus rose from the dead by the power of God.
The Baptist preacher got upset with me.
He began belittling me.
Friend has a preacher talked down to you when you asked a simple question?
This should never happen, but it does all the time.
The preacher at this point did not have an answer for the position which he found himself in and instead of evaluating the situation honestly he decided to belittle me (and you).
The truth of the matter is that the very scripture he said taught faith "only" salvation actually showed he was in error.
He has been a Baptist preacher for a long time and either he never noticed it or he has noticed it and has chose to reject what (Rom. 10:9,10) truly taught.
We are told to test each and every person for there are many false teachers in the world (1John 4:1-6).
We are told in (Hosea 4:6) that My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge.
In this case they had forgotten the law, but today most people have never known what the New Testament Law says.
The preacher could be reading out of a cook-book on Sunday morning and most people would never know he was not reading out of the Bible.
WHY?
B/c people are NOT obeying the verse below.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.(Acts 17:11)
Do you believe and teach a faith only salvation?
Do you go to (Rom. 10:9,10) to teach that faith only salvation?
Have you ever read (James 2:24)?
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Friend the Bible does not contradict itself.
So who is wrong?
Those teaching faith "only" saves or Gods Word?
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If you think I am incorrect in my thinking please do show me where I am teaching error in the post above.

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world....(6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1Jn 4:1-6)

you would be my friend if you prove I am teaching error (Gal. 4:16).

16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Angel Heart

Emory, TX

#22 Dec 10, 2012
Those in (Acts 2:37) first got upset when they were told the truth. Afterwards they decided to submit to the word of God. They had a change of attitude towards the message Peter taught (Luke 13:3).

There is nothing wrong with being angered for this shows one is passionate about what they believe. But to be in good standing with God one must believe truth (2Jn 9)(1Tim. 6:3)(1Tim. 2:4).

...9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

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Jean

Leonard, TX

#23 Dec 31, 2012
24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.(Acts 28:24)

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.(Acts 13:46)

Why don't we read our Bibles?

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)(Eph.3:3,4)

Since: Feb 11

Turn around - and bend over.

#24 Dec 31, 2012
Do you still have to be a member of the Church of Christ to get hired at the Sulphur Springs School District?

Just wondered if that's changed.
William

Sylacauga, AL

#25 Jan 2, 2013
Why does the CoC tout Mark 16:16 but then ignore verses 17 and 18?
Jessy

Caddo Mills, TX

#26 Jan 2, 2013
William wrote:
Why does the CoC tout Mark 16:16 but then ignore verses 17 and 18?
This thread is dealing with (Mark 16:16) and how the Catholics and Protestants deal with that particular verse. Nothing has been ignored (as you call it).

We would be glad to deal with 17 and 18 anytime. If you look further down you most likely will find a thread on that very subject.

The church of Christ is neither Catholic nor Protestant. We just take the verse as it is in the NT. No addition no subtraction.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

If you want to be saved follow the first part of the verse.

If you want to be lost for all eternity follow the last part of the verse.

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William

Columbus, GA

#27 Jan 2, 2013
If you believe and are baptized per verse 16, you will speak in tongues, cast out demons, heal the sick, and be able to drink anything poisonous and not be hurt. That is what verses 17 and 18 say. You cannot separate out what Christ told those disciples by focusing on baptism.
So ... Are you able to obey verses 17 and 18 now that you have obeyed verse 16? You want works, so there they are. Are you healing people just like those disciples were able to do? And they healed the sick instantly, by the way. Do the CoC and the Pentecostal demominations have a hospital outreach to heal the sick like Christ commanded?
William

Columbus, GA

#28 Jan 2, 2013
Looks like you have failed to rightly divide the word of truth. Again. And again.
Jessy

Caddo Mills, TX

#29 Jan 4, 2013
William wrote:
If you believe and are baptized per verse 16, you will speak in tongues, cast out demons, heal the sick, and be able to drink anything poisonous and not be hurt. That is what verses 17 and 18 say. You cannot separate out what Christ told those disciples by focusing on baptism.
So ... Are you able to obey verses 17 and 18 now that you have obeyed verse 16? You want works, so there they are. Are you healing people just like those disciples were able to do? And they healed the sick instantly, by the way. Do the CoC and the Pentecostal demominations have a hospital outreach to heal the sick like Christ commanded?
I've got two scriptures for you.

6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.(Acts 6;6)

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,(Acts 8:18)

It was by the "laying on of the apostles hands" that the spiritual gifts were passed on to another person.

Since all the apostles died around the end of the first century the passing of the gifts on to another person also ceased around the end of the firs century.(1Cor.13:8-10)

Thus no more miracles not long after the end of the first century.


*The miracles were to CONFIRM the person and the message was from God.

3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?(Heb.2:3,4)

20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.(Mark 16:20)

We are glad you brought the subject up.

Do you believe miracles are worked today by Gods people?

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William

Birmingham, AL

#30 Jan 5, 2013
Acts 2:44-45

King James Version (KJV)

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to ALL men, as every man had need.

Has your church done this? Have your members sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to ALL men, as every man had need?

I bet you haven't, so why are you not obeying God's word?
Wash Feet

Caddo Mills, TX

#31 Jan 9, 2013
William wrote:
Acts 2:44-45
King James Version (KJV)
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to ALL men, as every man had need.
Has your church done this? Have your members sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to ALL men, as every man had need?
I bet you haven't, so why are you not obeying God's word?

(Jn 13:5) Joh 13:5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.



*Do yall wash feet in worship services?

I bet you haven't, so why are you not obeying God's word?

*One must use good sense when reading the bible.

I never was told to build an ark.- Noah

I was never told to sacrifice my son on an altar.- Abraham

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Miracles Ceased

Caddo Mills, TX

#32 Jan 9, 2013
William wrote:
If you believe and are baptized per verse 16, you will speak in tongues, cast out demons, heal the sick, and be able to drink anything poisonous and not be hurt. That is what verses 17 and 18 say. You cannot separate out what Christ told those disciples by focusing on baptism.
So ... Are you able to obey verses 17 and 18 now that you have obeyed verse 16? You want works, so there they are. Are you healing people just like those disciples were able to do? And they healed the sick instantly, by the way. Do the CoC and the Pentecostal demominations have a hospital outreach to heal the sick like Christ commanded?
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.(1Cor.13:10)

What is that which is done away?

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

...know in part

...prophesy in part


Miraculous Knowledge

Miraculous Prophesy

These were done "in part".


*Each of the apostles Prophesied "in part"

James had a part.

Matthew had a part.

Paul had a part.

Each of them (the apostles) gave "each part" of Prophesy as needed as confirmation of the word (Heb.2;3,4).

3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Any time someone preformed a miracle (in the first century) the people who witnessed it knew this miracle proved this person was sent from God and the message he delivered was also from God.

Once the apostles received and wrote down the completed revelation people in the first century then had a copy of the completed revelation from God (Jn 14:26)(Jn 16:13)(Eph.4:11-13). They could test any message by looking at the letters the apostles wrote to TEST each message being spoke (1Jn 4:1-6)(Jn 5:39).

*Today we can do the same.

The coC does not believe miracles are for today.

If anyone does claim to have the ability to do miracles, why not go to the hospitals and heal those injured. It would saved people alot of pain and money.

This act would no doubt be on 20/20 or 60 minutes the very day it happens. But since we have not seen such a story on these TV programs miracle have no doubt ceased during the first and second century.(1Cor.13:8-10)

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When R Sins Gone

Greenville, TX

#33 Jan 14, 2013


1. Repent,

2. and be baptized

3. or the remission of sins,(Acts 2:38)


*(Acts 22:16)

1. Arise

2. Be Baptized (immersion in water)

3. Wash Away Your Sins

Most everyone believes it is the blood of Jesus which washes or cleanses sin (Eph. 1:7)(Rev.1:5).

The question is, WHEN does the blood of Jesus cleanse or wash away sins?

If you contend that it does not matter what one teaches please read the following scriptures.

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.(1Cor.1:10)

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.(1Tim. 6:3)

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God....(2Jn 9)

The scriptures above are simple and very plain to understand. Saying they do not matter or they do not apply is yet another way of rejecting the very word of God.(Jn 12:48)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#34 Jan 14, 2013
Remission of sins is not complete forgiveness of sins, which is what Paul preached, the instant you trust that Christ died FOR your sins and resurrected FOR your justification. Romans 8:1 spells out that there is now NO condemnation for them that are in Christ Jesus.

Acts 2:38 is a conditional forgiveness. Look at Acts 3:19 for when the sins of those Jews at Pentecost would be taken away. It was not right there, right then. They had to endure to the end. They could lose their salvation. Look at Hebrews too. If they fall away, they CANNOT be renewed unto repentance.

Not so what Paul was given preach.

Rightly divide the word of truth.
William

Birmingham, AL

#35 Jan 14, 2013
Call up an oncologist and ask them if they would rather see their patients cancer in remission, or cured completely.

Same concept as remission of sins vs. forgiveness of sins.

Peter preached remission and holding out to the end.
Paul preached forgivenss, and being sealed by the holy spirit the instant you trust that Christ died FOR your sins, was buried, and resurrected for your justification.

"NOT imputing their trespasses to them..."

What Peter preached and what Paul preached are two different gospels to two different groups of people, at that time. TODAY, there is only what Paul was given to preach. The gospel of the uncircumcision. What is it?

That Christ died FOR your sins, was buried, and resurrected for your justification. We are justified BY the faith OF Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:16

HIS faith justifies us. HIS faith, alone.
One Gospel

Greenville, TX

#36 Jan 17, 2013
William wrote:
Call up an oncologist and ask them if they would rather see their patients cancer in remission, or cured completely.
Same concept as remission of sins vs. forgiveness of sins.
Peter preached remission and holding out to the end.
Paul preached forgivenss, and being sealed by the holy spirit the instant you trust that Christ died FOR your sins, was buried, and resurrected for your justification.
"NOT imputing their trespasses to them..."
What Peter preached and what Paul preached are two different gospels to two different groups of people, at that time. TODAY, there is only what Paul was given to preach. The gospel of the uncircumcision. What is it?
That Christ died FOR your sins, was buried, and resurrected for your justification. We are justified BY the faith OF Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:16
HIS faith justifies us. HIS faith, alone.
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.(Mt 26:28)

The blood of Christ which was shed for the world was shed "for the remission of sins".

was shed "for the remission of sins".

was shed "for the remission of sins".

was shed "for the remission of sins".


*I just go to Jesus for spiritual answers.


We are not speaking about cancer, we're talking about sin

*******

*Who taught you this two gospel bit?
William

Birmingham, AL

#37 Jan 18, 2013
Remission does not mean "cured." It also does not mean "forgiven entirely," which is what Paul preached.

Acts 3:19 tells us WHEN those Jews at Pentecost would have their sins forgiven. Romans 8:1 says that we have no condemnation right now.

The two are not the same thing, no matter how hard you want them to be.
Belief is a Work

Greenville, TX

#38 Jan 19, 2013
William wrote:
Remission does not mean "cured." It also does not mean "forgiven entirely," which is what Paul preached.
Acts 3:19 tells us WHEN those Jews at Pentecost would have their sins forgiven. Romans 8:1 says that we have no condemnation right now.
The two are not the same thing, no matter how hard you want them to be.
So are you saying the blood of Jesus is not powerful enough to remove the sins of the many as (Mt.26:28) teaches?

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Let's leave the doctors (of our day) out of it and deal with the scriptures alone.



http://missionprinting.us/pub.html
William

Birmingham, AL

#39 Jan 20, 2013
Remission does not mean forgiven. Nor does it mean "cured". Look at Acts 3:19 for how long those Jews at Pentecost had to wait for their sins to be blotted out.

Not so the complete forgiveness that we have right now, when we trust that Christ died FOR our sins. Find anywhere in Acts 2 where Peter told those Jews that Christ died FOR their sins.

It ain't there. Why? Because they had not received the Gospel of the Grace of God, given to Paul and Paul ALONE.

Rightly divide the word of truth.
William

Birmingham, AL

#40 Jan 20, 2013
Galatians 2:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

James 2:24
King James Verison (KJV)

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Well, which is it? The faith OF Christ, or your works? Which will you seek to be justified by?

Do you even know WHAT the faith OF Jesus Christ is?

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