Why I Left The Baptist Church

Why I Left The Baptist Church

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Sosthenes

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#1 Mar 5, 2013
Why I Left The Baptist Church



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Sosthenes

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#2 Mar 6, 2013
It takes a great deal of courage to acknowlege the things one has been taught spiritually all their life is incorrect.

The apostle Paul thought what he had done (persecuting Christians) all his life was in accordance with the will of God.(Acts 23:1)

1 And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.(Acts 23:1)

When Paul was confronted with truth he said he did not confer with flesh and blood but obeyed the truth (Gal. 1;16)(Acts 9:1-6 ; 22:16).

After learning the truth which saves souls Paul said his own family members (Jews) were ignorant about the will of God and was in fact lost spiritually. He said they were going about to establish their own righteousness.

Many thought Paul had lost his mind.

...Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.(Acts 26:27)

When a perrson learns the truth and does not walk according to the worlds standards he will be thought of as unusual and perhaps even crazy.

Notice what the word of God says about Gods people who walk in the light (1Peter 2:9).

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

God calls his people "a peculiar people".

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Sosthenes

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#3 Mar 6, 2013
Here is an interesting point.

Let us look at page 22 of The Standard Manual For Baptist Churches by Edward T. Hiscox.

"It is most likely that in the Apostolic age when there was but `one Lord, one faith, and one baptism,' and no differing denominations existed, the baptism of a convert by that very act constituted him a member of the church, and at once endowed him with all the rights and privileges of full membership.

In that sense,'baptism was the door into the church.'

Now it is different:(emp. mine, hll) and while the churches are desirous of receiving members, they are wary and cautious that they do not receive unworthy persons."

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If baptism once was the door into the church (and it was).(Gal. 3:27)(Rom. 6:4)

Who changed it?

Why is it different now?

Who has that kind of authority to change what they admit was once the door into the church?

Here is a good question, Why not go back to the way it once was?

Why not teach baptism is now the door into the church?(like it once was).

11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God (1Peter 4:11).

...that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written,...(1Cor.4:6)

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you(Deut.4:2)

6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.(Prov.30:6)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.(Rev. 22:18,19)

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William

Phenix City, AL

#4 Mar 7, 2013
Water, water, everywhere but not a drop that saves.
Baptism Saves

Greenville, TX

#5 Mar 7, 2013
William wrote:
Water, water, everywhere but not a drop that saves.
20 ... God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...(1Peter 3:20,21)

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20 ... eight souls were saved by water.(OT times)

21 ... baptism doth also now save us (NT times)

Why don't people just read and accept what the word of God says?



24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.(Acts 28:24)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#6 Mar 8, 2013
Those verses are written to, for, about Hebrews. The circumcision. Read Galatians 2 to see who Peter was sent to preach to.

What was Paul NOT sent to preach to those Corinthian gentiles?

Water baptism.

What WAS Paul sent to preach?

That Christ died FOR OUR sins. He was resurrected FOR OUR justification by God.

Nowhere in Acts do you find Peter preaching that Christ died FOR the sins of those Jews. You can search for it in vain.

Sosthenes

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#7 Mar 8, 2013
For those people who may read this thread it is very important you do not allow anyone to change the word of God. False teachers do this all the time.

Always apply these scriptures.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.(Acts 17:11)

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.(1Jn 4:1-6)

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:(Jn 5:39)

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W said - "What was Paul NOT sent to preach to those Corinthian gentiles"

Water baptism.

Me - Now lets look at what (1Cor.1:17) actually says.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

First off, the verse says Paul was not sent to baptize, but Rather he was sent to PREACH THE GOSPEL. Someone else can do the immerse peoppe in water while Paul preached the gospel.

(Mark 16:15,16) Says baptism is a part of the gospel which saves.

Belief + Baptism = Saved



*1. Paul did baptize some people just read a (1Cor.1:14-16).

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.


2. Nowhere does this verse teach Paul was not to PREACH WATER BAPTISM.


*Pauls Conversion

Further more, Paul telling of his conversion says his sins were not forgiven until after he was baptized (Acts 22:16).

(Acts 22:16)-

1. Arise

2. Be Baptized

3. Wash Away Your Sins


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Sosthenes

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#8 Mar 8, 2013
W said - "What was Paul NOT sent to preach to those Corinthian gentiles"

Water baptism.

*Me - Now let's look at how the Corinthians became Christians.

8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.(1Cor.18:8)

...the Corinthians

...hearing

...believed

...and were baptized.(1Cor.18:8)

What were they baptized "FOR"?

38 ... for the remission of sins,(Acts 2:38)

What kind of baptism?

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water,...(Acts 8:38,39)

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Sosthenes

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#9 Mar 8, 2013
Me - "Show me where the bible says the following".


William said - "What was Paul NOT sent to preach to those Corinthian gentiles"?

Water baptism.

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21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.(1Thess. 5:21)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#10 Mar 9, 2013
Where does Paul tell those Corinthians that "someone else will water baptize you"? Nowhere, that's where.

Where does Paul teach Timothy to water baptize, along with what else he taught him about the cross? Nowhere, that's where.

The gospel preached by Paul that was given to him directly from the risen Christ is NOT the same gospel as the one given to Peter, James, and John. The revelation of the mystery, given only to Paul, clears this up.

Peter admonished Israel for killing their long prophesied messiah. Paul gloried in the cross.

Peter preached remission of sins, having to hold out unto the end to have their sins taken away at the second coming of Christ. Acts 3:19

Paul preached complete forgiveness of sin when someone believes and trusts that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and resurrected for their justification. Peter NEVER preached this gospel. This gospel was NOT given to the 11 in Matthew 28 or Mark 16.

What is the difference?

Grace.

The revelation of the mystery, hidden in God since BEFORE the foundation of the world, as Ephesians explains. It is not found in the OT.

Complete forgiveness, right now, for anyone who will trust Christ as their savior. Apart from ANY works. Eternal security, sealed by the holy spirit until the day of redemption.

Do you have faith to trust Christ for what he did FOR YOU at Calvary? Trust him right now if you haven't already, and you are guaranteed heaven.
William

Birmingham, AL

#11 Mar 9, 2013
You know it amazes me that religion never bothers to tell anyone what God for them, but religion will go to any length to tell you what you have to do to gain favor with God.

Well God isn't interested in what you can do "for him." God gave you a free gift, and that was the sacrifice of his son for you, so that you could be made righteous by believing and trusting what Jesus Christ accomplished on that cross.

As "Easter" rolls around again, and we hear that Christ "is risen, he is risen indeed!" please ask yourself just WHAT was he risen for?

He was crucified for you. He was resurrected by God for you. He is is your savior, if you will accept the free gift of salvation by believing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

What is that gospel?

1 Corinthinans 15:1-4

Christ died for your sins, was buried, and resurrected for your justification.
Paul

Greenville, TX

#12 Mar 12, 2013
The apostle Paul has been saying for some 2000 years that sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus AFTER being immersed in water.(Eph. 1:7)


*(Acts 22:16)

1. Arise
2. Be Baptized (in water)
3. Wash Away Your Sins

Anyone who can count to three can tell WHEN mans sins are forgiven by the blood of Jesus.

The apostle Paul also said the following words.

... the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.(1Cor.14:37)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#13 Mar 12, 2013
Since Paul wasn't sent to water baptize, then Ephesians 1:7 isn't about water baptism.

Sosthenes

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#14 Mar 15, 2013
William wrote:
Since Paul wasn't sent to water baptize, then Ephesians 1:7 isn't about water baptism.


Tell you what W, you have tried so hard to erase water baptism from the gospel plan of salvation tell you what I will do. If you can just show me where anyone in the NT (after the death of Jesus) was saved BEFORE being baptized I will teach the same.

*(Jn 5:39)(Acts 17:11)(1Jn 4:1-6)

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.(1Thess.5:21)


Fair enough?



*(Mark 16:15,16) teaches baptism is a part of the gospel which saves.

So I am not worried.

(Mark 16:15,16)-

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

Go ye into ALL the world --->(not just part but ALL)

and preach THE gospel to every creature -->(This means everyone)

He that believeth ---> (Not just belief alone)

and is baptized -----> (Submitting to another in humility)

and is baptized ------> (Still teaching the gospel which saves)

shall be saved; ------> (Continually looking towards salvation)

Whatever the apostle Paul taught it must have harmonized with the words of the Lord in (Mark 16:15,16).

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William

Birmingham, AL

#15 Mar 15, 2013
Sure.

The Ephesian gentiles that Paul wrote his epistle to, from prison in Rome. They heard, believed, and trusted that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and resurrected for their justification. They were not part of Israel, had nothing to do with Israel, and were not part of anything that happened in Acts 1-8. Peter never went to these people.

And they are not the same Ephesians as those in Acts 19. Those were Jews.

These heathen gentiles were not told to be water baptized. Since Paul wasn't sent to water baptize, he didn't teach water baptism to Timothy or the brethren with him. Water baptism was not part of his gospel.
William

Birmingham, AL

#16 Mar 15, 2013
And we, today, are no different from these Ephesian (and Colossian) gentiles.

Not part of Israel.
Not allied with Israel
Strangers.
Foreigners.

Same for them, same for us. This is what the revelation of the mystery, given to Paul, is all about.

Acts 2 is ISRAEL.
W Confused

Greenville, TX

#17 Mar 16, 2013
My friend there are several verses which teach THE gospel was to go to "all nations" and to "every creature".

Note (Isa.2;1-5)(Luke 24:47-49)

(Mt. 28:18-20)-

19 Go ye therefore, and teach "all nations", baptizing them.

*(Mark 16:15,16)-

Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

Go ye into all the world,

and preach the gospel (the one and only gospel)

to every creature.(not just part of them)

What message were they to preach to all the world?

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;...

What kind of baptism?(Acts 8:38,39)

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water,

Why be baptized in water?

(Acts 2:38 : 22:16)(1Peter 3:20,21)(Heb. 10:22)(Col. 2:12)(Rom 6:3-6)(Rom. 6:16-18)(Gal. 3:27)(Titus 3:5)(Jn 19:36).

Why is water so important ?

It (water) is connected to the blood in the death of Jesus (Jn 19:34).

34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

The Blind man was blessed only when he went and washed in the pool of Siloam as he was instructed.(Jn 9:7).

7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,(which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

Naaman was cleansed when he washed in the river Jordan 7 times as instructed.(2Kings 5:14)

14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.

173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts (Psa. 119:173)

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William

Birmingham, AL

#18 Mar 16, 2013
Where in Matthew 28 or Mark 16 does Christ tell the 11 to go and preach that He died for people's sins, was buried, and resurrected for their justification, as He gave to Paul to preach?

He didn't. You can search for it in vain and twist the scriptures until you are blue in the face, but what Christ gave to Paul is not the same gospel as was given to the 11.

There is no "saved by grace through faith, and not of works" in what Christ told the 11 in Matthew 28 and Mark 16.
William

Birmingham, AL

#19 Mar 16, 2013
"Tell you what W, you have tried so hard to erase water baptism from the gospel plan of salvation tell you what I will do. If you can just show me where anyone in the NT (after the death of Jesus) was saved BEFORE being baptized I will teach the same."

Well, I showed it to you. It's all on you now for what you go and do with it.
Johnny Robertson

Greenville, TX

#21 Mar 18, 2013
William wrote:
"Tell you what W, you have tried so hard to erase water baptism from the gospel plan of salvation tell you what I will do. If you can just show me where anyone in the NT (after the death of Jesus) was saved BEFORE being baptized I will teach the same."
Well, I showed it to you. It's all on you now for what you go and do with it.
Show me that verse again which shows anyone being saved BEFORE being baptized (after the death of Jesus of course).

Remind me of that verse.

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