"Sinner's Prayer" - Is It Biblical?

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#24
Feb 6, 2013
 
"No, the sinners prayer is not found in the NT after the death of Jesus."

And neither is some phony "salvation formula."

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Feb 13, 2013
 
William wrote:
"No, the sinners prayer is not found in the NT after the death of Jesus."
And neither is some phony "salvation formula."


Believe + Baptism = Saved -->(Mark 16:16).

Is water baptism a part of the salvation process?

(Mark 16:15,16) says YES.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;


Go ye into all the world,

and preach the gospel

to every creature.(Not just Jews)(Not just Gentiles)(Both)

16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;


So yes, baptism is a part of the gospel which saves according to (Mark 16:15,16).

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Feb 13, 2013
 
Then I guess that Paul was a heretic, and disobeying Christ, when he said that Christ sent him NOT to baptize but to preach the gospel?

How can the 11/12 be sent TO baptize with the gospel by JC while Paul is sent NOT to baptize with the gospel by JC?

Looks like you've got yourself trapped in a pickle.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
Here is your pickle.


(1Cor. 1:17) is a classic example of a "not/but" passage in grammar.

In other words, not so much this, as that.

The first element is not entirely negated but only toned down to bring forth the emphasis on the second.

What (1Cor.1:17) is actually saying is that Christ sent me not to baptize ONLY, but to preach the gospel.


We know that water baptism is a part of the gospel which saves by reading (Mark 16:15,16).

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved ...(Mark 16:15,16).

We could go to (Mt. 10:19,20) which is a parallel passage to the "not/but" passage of (1Cor.1:17).

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Were the apostles not speaking literally? Of course they were, they were just being led to speak by the Holy Spirit as (Jn 14:26 : 16:13) teaches.

If people force the same incorrect understanding on (Mt. 10:19,20) as they do (1Cor.1:17) then the apostles would not even be speaking with their own voice but with the very voice of God.

"For it is not ye that speak" (Mt. 10:20)

Was this the apostles voice men heard or Gods? The fact is it was Gods message they heard through the apostles voice.(Jn 14:26).

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.(Jn 16:13)

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Feb 14, 2013
 
I know people who are offering $1000.00 cash for the person who can find the "sinners prayer" in the New Testament (after the death of Jesus).

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Feb 14, 2013
 
"...Christ sent me not to baptize ONLY, but to preach the gospel."

Then you need to show us where he told Timothy and Titus to water baptize in addition to preaching what he received from Christ as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. You will also need to cite "water" baptism in anywhere in the 13 epistles that he wrote.

Good luck finding it, but it might be in one of the versions not named KJV. It certainly doesn't show up in mine.
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Mar 1, 2013
 
William wrote:
"...Christ sent me not to baptize ONLY, but to preach the gospel."
Then you need to show us where he told Timothy and Titus to water baptize in addition to preaching what he received from Christ as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. You will also need to cite "water" baptism in anywhere in the 13 epistles that he wrote.
Good luck finding it, but it might be in one of the versions not named KJV. It certainly doesn't show up in mine.
The epistles were wrote to people who were already Christians.

If you want to read about the water they were baptized in you need to go to Acts. You can find it (water) there, for in the book of Acts it tells of how people became Christians (Rom. 6:16-18).

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Acts 2:38)

(Acts 8:5,12, 26-39)-

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Plenty of wat in the accounbt of teh Ethiopian Eunuch.

(Acts 16:30-34)-

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Notice the Jailer was out in the dark, at midnight, looking for water so he could be baptized (immersed in water).

Notice also it was not said that the jailer "believed' until after he ws baptized.(vs 34)

You see "believe" is used as a synecdoche.

Synecdoche - is one word which stands for the whole of something(a complete plan).

A rancher my say I have 50 "head" of cattle on my ranch. The word "head" is a synecdoche for the cattle (plural).

The man is not saying he has 50 cows without bodies and legs roaming around on his land.

Many times in the NT the word "believe" is used as a synecdoche for the complete gospel plan.

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Mar 1, 2013
 
The epistles were wrote to members of the church (people who had already been baptized) teaching them how to live as Christians.

For grace "teaches" man how to act in a world full of sinful people.

(Titus 2:11,12)-

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

...grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us

...denying ungodliness and worldly lusts

... we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Notice there are positive and negative things mentioned in verse 12.

Only those who submit to these positive/negative commands will go to heaven.

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb. 5:9)

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#32
Mar 2, 2013
 
Baloney.

There is no evidence in any of Paul's epistles that the people he wrote to were all water baptized. You are just making up garbage to suit your flawed theology.

Where did he water baptize Timothy, his son in the faith? Nowhere.

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Mar 3, 2013
 
You gotta put on your thinking cap.


Salvation which is "in Christ" (2Tim. 2:10).

How does one get "into Christ"?

...baptized into Christ have put on Christ.(Gal.3:27).

...were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?(Rom. 6:3,4).

(Jn 3:5)(Col 2:12)(Heb. 10:22)(Titus 3:5)

The verses above tell man how to get "into Christ" (where all spiritual blessing are found).

...all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:(Eph.1:3)

One must go through the water to get "into Christ". That is what many of the lessons of the OT were trying to teach us.

...4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,(Rom. 15:4)

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition,...(1Cor.10:11).

God has used water before to bless people.


7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,(which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.(Jn 9:7)


Naaman (2Kings 5:14)- 14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.

Israelites - "stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day" (Ex.14:13).

Then they were delivered to freedom by going through the water as the Lord directed (Ex. 14:16).



Eight souls were saved by water in Noah's day (1Peter 3:20)

Baptism now saves us (1Peter 3:21)

Belief + Baptism (in water)= Saved (Mark 16:15,16).

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Mar 9, 2013
 
How does one get "into Christ"?

...baptized into Christ have put on Christ.(Gal.3:27).

...were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?(Rom. 6:3,4).

Paul isn't talking about water baptism, no matter how hard you try to twist the scriptures to make them seem so. He is writing, with the Holy Spirit guiding his pen, about baptism BY that same Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13

One Lord, One faith, ONE baptism. And it's not water.

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Mar 15, 2013
 
William wrote:
How does one get "into Christ"?
...baptized into Christ have put on Christ.(Gal.3:27).
...were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?(Rom. 6:3,4).
Paul isn't talking about water baptism, no matter how hard you try to twist the scriptures to make them seem so. He is writing, with the Holy Spirit guiding his pen, about baptism BY that same Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13
One Lord, One faith, ONE baptism. And it's not water.
I will agree to what you posted above only "IF" you tell me the church you attend does not practice any other baptism - such as water baptism.

B/c if you practice water baptism that would make baptism # 2 yall teach and practice and it would mean you are NOT teaching the truth. The bible says there is only one baptism for today (Eph. 4:4,5).

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

SO which is it W?

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You posted (1Cor.12:13).

Lets see how the Corinthians became Christians.

Note (Acts 18:8) if you will please.

8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

Paul was teaching Jews in Corinth.

I thought you said Paul was sent only to the Gentiles W?

You have more troubles it seems.

I know Crispus is a Jew b/c he was the chief ruler of the synagogue. A Gentile could not hold such a position.



*Now, let us notice what the apostle Paul taught the Corinthians.

...the Corinthians hearing

...believed,

...and were baptized.

You know W, maybe I missed it but I do not see where Paul taught the Corinthians to just believe "alone" and they would be saved. In fact, Paul taught the Corinthians to hear a message, believe that message and then act upon that message (be baptized).

Straighten me out W.

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Mar 17, 2013
 
Paul taught the gospel of the grace of God to Jew and Gentile alike in Corinth, Thessalonica, and lots other places after he was given the gospel of grace by the resurrected Christ.

But Christ never gave it to Peter to preach. Curious, huh.
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Mar 18, 2013
 
William wrote:
Paul taught the gospel of the grace of God to Jew and Gentile alike in Corinth, Thessalonica, and lots other places after he was given the gospel of grace by the resurrected Christ.
But Christ never gave it to Peter to preach. Curious, huh.
Does the church you attend believe both water immersion and immersion in the Holy Spirit is for today?

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Mar 18, 2013
 
William wrote:
Baloney.
There is no evidence in any of Paul's epistles that the people he wrote to were all water baptized. You are just making up garbage to suit your flawed theology.
Where did he water baptize Timothy, his son in the faith? Nowhere.
In Timothy we read the following -

...salvation which is in Christ Jesus(2Tim. 2:10).

Salvation is in Christ.

Does the bible say anywhere how to get "into Christ"?

...baptized into Christ (Gal. 3:27)

...baptized into Jesus Christ (Rom 6:3,4)

There is only one baptism for today so which is the above verses speaking about W.?(Eph. 4:4,5)

Do yall practice water baptism?

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Mar 18, 2013
 
Water baptism is not part of the gospel given to Paul. The gospel of the grace of God. Paul wasn't sent to water baptize, nor did he teach it to Timothy or anyone else he was with.

The only baptism that matters is the baptism BY the holy spirit. Someone is baptized by the holy spirit when they trust Jesus Christ as their savior, believing that he died for their sins, was buried, and resurrected by God for their justification.

That is the ONE baptism that Paul speaks of. None of his 13 epistles reference water baptism.

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Mar 22, 2013
 
William wrote:
Water baptism is not part of the gospel given to Paul. The gospel of the grace of God. Paul wasn't sent to water baptize, nor did he teach it to Timothy or anyone else he was with.
The only baptism that matters is the baptism BY the holy spirit. Someone is baptized by the holy spirit when they trust Jesus Christ as their savior, believing that he died for their sins, was buried, and resurrected by God for their justification.
That is the ONE baptism that Paul speaks of. None of his 13 epistles reference water baptism.
Let's say I agree with you for the moment.

So (for the moment) Holy Spirit baptism is for today.




Does the church you attend practice water baptism of any kind?

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Mar 22, 2013
 
"Let's say I agree with you for the moment.

So (for the moment) Holy Spirit baptism is for today."

Today we are baptized BY the holy spirit when we believe and trust the gospel of Jesus Christ. Baptism BY the holy spirit is not the same thing as the baptism WITH the holy spirit, as was given to the Jewish disciples in Acts 2. They were given power to act with the HS working through them to show signs and wonders to Israel. THAT power is gone, and has been gone for a very long time.

"Does the church you attend practice water baptism of any kind?"

No. It is not part of what was given to Paul to preach to us heathen gentiles. Same for the Ephesian gentiles in his letter, same for us today. We are exactly the same kind of gentile as they, and those of the Colossian letter, were.
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Mar 24, 2013
 
Me - "Does the church you attend practice water baptism of any kind?"

W - No. It is not part of what was given to Paul to preach to us heathen gentiles. Same for the Ephesian gentiles in his letter, same for us today. We are exactly the same kind of gentile as they, and those of the Colossian letter, were.


Me - I am amazed b/c I thought most all churches today practiced some form of water baptism (pouring/sprinkling/immersion) but you say the church you attend does not practice any one of these forms of water baptism.

What is the name of the church you attend?
(name not location)

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Mar 24, 2013
 
William wrote:
Baloney.
There is no evidence in any of Paul's epistles that the people he wrote to were all water baptized. You are just making up garbage to suit your flawed theology.
Where did he water baptize Timothy, his son in the faith? Nowhere.
The example Paul has been teaching for some 2000 years is that baptism (in water) is necessary for salvation. He also has been teaching that forgiveness of sins is only granted after baptism and not before.

(Acts 22:16)

1. Arise

2. Be Baptized

3. Wash Your Sins Away

Above we read about the apostle Paul's conversion.


*Now lets look at the conversion of the Corinthians.

(Act 18:8)

the Corinthians

hearing

believed,

and were baptized.

Seems everywhere the apostle Paul went people were being baptized.

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