El Paso City Council votes to make builders pay fees

Full story: El Paso Times 46
Developers will have to pay the cost of providing water and sewer services in new developments on the fringes of the city, a split City Council voted late on Tuesday. Full Story
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El Paso, TX

#1 May 13, 2009
you voted for em el paso. now det ready for the tax and spend group to proceed as usual.

“Retired Extremely Dangerous”

Since: Mar 08

El Paso, TX , USA

#2 May 13, 2009
The developers and builders will pass this cost along to the new home owners as part of the price of the home. Land developers and builders will never the new fees the consumer will always pay, and the city council and PSB are worried of water shortages, remember every new home in the ever growing expansion of the city is a new hookup to the ever shrinking water sources.
Dang

El Paso, TX

#3 May 13, 2009
You want something; you should pay for it yourself then. These builders want to build on the outskirts then they should pay for that development. A future home buyer will pay what the builder is asking if there is a market for that home. Why should we pay for the builder to profit? The impact fee makes perfect sense.
Fed up

El Paso, TX

#4 May 13, 2009
What else are the Home Builders whining about now; they're making a killing selling substandard built homes. They should be more concerned with assuring the employees they have building homes are following OSHA Standards while working. The Home Builders Association blow off that responsibility by stating that they (the builders) are all self-employed and are responsible for their own safety program but most of the craft people out there have no knowledge or training regarding safety. They appear to be an expendable resource.
Ana

United States

#5 May 13, 2009
This crazy building needs to be stopped. We are straining all of our resources. While I agree that people need to be able to make a living and have housing choices, it is ridiculous to keep building on the fringes. We are destroying everything around us. Have you ever flown in to El Paso? From the plane you can see the crazy development to the East of the city. This fee is good, but it should be much higher to discourage new building. www.dimequecrees.com
Clue

United States

#6 May 13, 2009
There is another article in the newspaper that highlights the problem. EPISD is recommending closing 3 schools in older neighborhoods while building 4 schools on the fringe of the city. Why are taxpayers and council letting this happen? It is because we are not asking newly developed land to pay for its own public infrastructure. Even if Council had passed 100% of the Impact Fee, that amount still only pays for 22% of the real capital costs of the new water and sewer infrastructure. What about schools, fire stations, parks, roads, public transit, medical services, etc. This is unsustainable growth.
texas

El Paso, TX

#7 May 13, 2009
Ana wrote:
This crazy building needs to be stopped. We are straining all of our resources. While I agree that people need to be able to make a living and have housing choices, it is ridiculous to keep building on the fringes. We are destroying everything around us. Have you ever flown in to El Paso? From the plane you can see the crazy development to the East of the city. This fee is good, but it should be much higher to discourage new building. www.dimequecrees.com
Please discourage new building, its what keeps the economy going? Cmon people, as for the increase its just another way to get more money from consumers. As is EL Paso is probably the only city in the US that homes keep going up and everyone knows its because of the soldiers moving to El Paso. It has nothing to do with the jobs we all also know the pay its still the lowest compared to the country but the soldiers will bring a lot of money to the city and everyone once a bite of it.
DR Westside

United States

#8 May 13, 2009
Ana wrote:
This crazy building needs to be stopped. We are straining all of our resources. While I agree that people need to be able to make a living and have housing choices, it is ridiculous to keep building on the fringes. We are destroying everything around us. Have you ever flown in to El Paso? From the plane you can see the crazy development to the East of the city. This fee is good, but it should be much higher to discourage new building. www.dimequecrees.com
Very well put and I strongly concur with your thoughts. If only our elected representatives would actually look into the situation and actually do something about it, El Paso would be a far safer place to live in. As far as the builders paying for the cost of supplying water and sewage, they should be required to pay the full amount and not place the burden on the taxpayer.
Claymore

El Paso, TX

#9 May 13, 2009
1. Big box schools are a major reason for, not result of, sprawl; an elementary site is now 15+ acres for 800 students, when 25 years ago it was five acres for 350-400 students. The school districts need to rethink the formula for rehabilitating smaller, closer-in schools
2. Land development and construction typically are responsive (reactive) to a market, not usually responsible for it.
3. Population increase and creation of households drive demand for housing, and offices, schools, employment; over the past 60 years, just considering births over deaths, and disregarding inmigration/outmigration, El Paso's population likely would be 50,000 greater than it is today. We appear a net exporter of human capital.
4. So Council imposes a burden on new home buyers, where historically they have gotten a pass. And the new buyer not only watches the demise of a minor subsidy (paid by rate payers, not taxpayers), but has the pleasure of continuing to subsidize through rate payments the deteriorating infrastructure in older neighborhoods that got a freebie years ago. Cool.
5. The median-priced home in El Paso (About $140,000) is affordable to the 70th percentile income family ($60,000 per year, or about a 2.5 multiplier). I suggest if you have a house and kids, you add on an apartment so they will have a place to live through their 30s, or until they leave for anywhere at all else.
6. Rooftops (housing) of whatever type, in increasing numbers and with increasing incomes, particularly the disposable kind, generate interest by retailers to locate. And employers to look at good quality of life, possibly opening new and better job opportunities. That means the local median family income must be at least 75% of national, or $48,000. Here, it is below $40,000, or 62% of national(And the fourth-lowest MFI in the USA!). In 1959 the local median was 91% of national. Great job of economic development, folks. Whatever was there, you threw away.
Publius.
TSM

United States

#10 May 13, 2009
So what homes will cost more what the heck. Barney and his cohorts will force banks to lend, I forgot the government own the banks, what was I thinking. It won’t matter if the buyer qualifies as long as he/she breathing good enough for government.

Then a few years later another home mortgage crisis Barney and his cohorts will blame Bush and predatory lending for the crisis and demand another Stimulus bailout! People do you get the Picture
Gunslinger915

United States

#11 May 13, 2009
Fed up wrote:
What else are the Home Builders whining about now; they're making a killing selling substandard built homes. They should be more concerned with assuring the employees they have building homes are following OSHA Standards while working. The Home Builders Association blow off that responsibility by stating that they (the builders) are all self-employed and are responsible for their own safety program but most of the craft people out there have no knowledge or training regarding safety. They appear to be an expendable resource.
It is about damn time the City Council and Hizhonor the Mayor earned their money and did something, anything for US. The question is, why are they only going to have the builders pay 75%??? Who is going to pay the OTHER 25%?? Oh, never mind, I got it. I really think this real estate market in El Paso is a big fraud created by the Builders, John Cook and Central Appraisal. The housing market is in the toilet all across the country, but in El Paso they are still building houses that are not selling. They keep jacking up taxes and property values. You go up to the Northeast(probably same in other parts of city) and most of the new houses are unsold, grown up in weeds. Many of them, construction was just stopped, whole streets, vacant unsold houses. Oh BTW any American Citizen, Legal Resident worker needs a job?? A lot of these are ILLEGAL workers from Mexico. That also includes ones working for EPISD on new school.
About darn time

El Paso, TX

#12 May 13, 2009
Do any of you recall the past when colonias like Sparks and Vinton began to pop up overnight.........no water and no sewer lines and cheap cinder block homes without gas or even electric connections. The residents would haul 55 gallon barrels of water for washing and cleaning and fill jugs for drinking. They then complained that the city was not providing them with water and sewer and what it all boiled down to is that all of us had our water rates increased to cover the cost of supplying services to these illegally built slums.

Too many builders have tossed up sub-standard houses with no conections to sewer or water lines before they sold the homes and expected all of us to subsidize their greed. It is time to halt that practice or soon no one in the county will be able to afford water aqnd sewer service.
Sinaloa

United States

#13 May 13, 2009
I think that the City being the parent in this case should pay for what they should have provided for in the first place and that is water....and not continue to build and build without giving the issue any forethought.

I've noticed that our River has been flowing quite well for awhile but it is not as it used to be when I was younger. The River was full!
Ella

El Paso, TX

#14 May 13, 2009
Gunslinger915 wrote:
<quoted text> It is about damn time the City Council and Hizhonor the Mayor earned their money and did something, anything for US. The question is, why are they only going to have the builders pay 75%??? Who is going to pay the OTHER 25%?? Oh, never mind, I got it. I really think this real estate market in El Paso is a big fraud created by the Builders, John Cook and Central Appraisal. The housing market is in the toilet all across the country, but in El Paso they are still building houses that are not selling. They keep jacking up taxes and property values. You go up to the Northeast(probably same in other parts of city) and most of the new houses are unsold, grown up in weeds. Many of them, construction was just stopped, whole streets, vacant unsold houses. Oh BTW any American Citizen, Legal Resident worker needs a job?? A lot of these are ILLEGAL workers from Mexico. That also includes ones working for EPISD on new school.
Ah yes, the northeast resident with a confederate flag in front of your house...(Hey Cook won gun-banger, haven't committed suicide yet huh?) No one wants to buy houses in the northeast because it suks to live over there. Only retired military, active military, the devils triangle, white trash, defected gene populations, and BORING. Not to mention you live there.
Developers puppets

El Paso, TX

#15 May 13, 2009
East-Central city Rep. Emma Acosta
Northeast city Rep. Melina Castro
East Side city Rep. Rachel Quintana
East-Valley city Rep. Eddie Holguin

voted against the fees.

Its not hard to spot those on city council who are owned by the developers. Why would anybody in their right mind make taxpayers pay for something that the developers make money off of?

We are stuck with Emma and Eddie for now, Let's at least vote out Melina in the runoff and recall rachel before they can do more damage.
eam

Austin, TX

#16 May 13, 2009
Home prices in El Paso will not go up if they are price inelastic in our market.
Sinaloa

United States

#17 May 13, 2009
Ella wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes, the northeast resident with a confederate flag in front of your house...(Hey Cook won gun-banger, haven't committed suicide yet huh?) No one wants to buy houses in the northeast because it suks to live over there. Only retired military, active military, the devils triangle, white trash, defected gene populations, and BORING. Not to mention you live there.
Hehe
Gunslinger915

United States

#18 May 13, 2009
Ella wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes, the northeast resident with a confederate flag in front of your house...(Hey Cook won gun-banger, haven't committed suicide yet huh?) No one wants to buy houses in the northeast because it suks to live over there. Only retired military, active military, the devils triangle, white trash, defected gene populations, and BORING. Not to mention you live there.
Yo ***CH, if I had a Confederate Flag would much rather have it than the red light out in front of your trailer in Montana Vista. At least WE have new houses in the Northeast and they don't have tires or trailer hitches. If all you know about the Northeast is the Devils triangle, then maybe you should get out of the back seat when your riding around and take a look.
Lone Ranger

El Paso, TX

#19 May 13, 2009
sounds great but when you think about it its the home buyer who gets it in the end or does that mean we dont have to pay for taxes
_Arrrrrrr

Palo Alto, CA

#20 May 13, 2009
Gunslinger915 wrote:
<quoted text> Yo ***CH, if I had a Confederate Flag would much rather have it than the red light out in front of your trailer in Montana Vista. At least WE have new houses in the Northeast and they don't have tires or trailer hitches. If all you know about the Northeast is the Devils triangle, then maybe you should get out of the back seat when your riding around and take a look.
So you are the idiot from Northeast that has that win dixie peice of rag flying from your trailer front porch? RAISE YOUR TAXES is what you need.

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