Letters: Save teachers

Letters: Save teachers

There are 34 comments on the El Paso Times story from Apr 8, 2011, titled Letters: Save teachers. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Where school districts should cut is from the top. If the superintendents and their immediate assistants were to get a pay cut, we could save teachers.

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james russell ret

El Paso, TX

#21 Apr 9, 2011
The special education students are the ones that should have a teacher ratio of 6 to 1 with an assistant. My nieces ((adopted by my sister-in-law) were able to make it through the special school they had to attend and are making a life by themselves after the training they received. There is no dispute they needed help considering their birth mother nearly killed them by neglect and alcohol abuse. They survive.

as for those in ESL classes, Make the parents teach them their native language. The school system should not be pandering to those whose first language is not ENGLISH. The parents should be tasked to learn English also.
void

El Paso, TX

#22 Apr 9, 2011
james russell ret wrote:
The special education students are the ones that should have a teacher ratio of 6 to 1 with an assistant. My nieces ((adopted by my sister-in-law) were able to make it through the special school they had to attend and are making a life by themselves after the training they received. There is no dispute they needed help considering their birth mother nearly killed them by neglect and alcohol abuse. They survive.
as for those in ESL classes, Make the parents teach them their native language. The school system should not be pandering to those whose first language is not ENGLISH. The parents should be tasked to learn English also.


Your head is void just like your argument is void and you voided your own argument by what you wrote in that last paragraph.

You and the rest of your family should have stepped in to help nieces. Why did you leave it up to the school and the special education programs? Why did your family wait so long to help those girls? This is typical of families in this area where everybody else is responsible for those families’ children except for the families themselves.
Craig

El Paso, TX

#23 Apr 9, 2011
I agree that special education's funding should not be reduced or eliminated. It is an absolute necessity for some students. Sports may be an area that can be reduced or eliminated (grudgingly so), but so can reducing pay by 15% across the board for those making $85,000+, including the superintendent. I don't care what anybody says, no one is worth $280,000/yr (EPISD superintendent). That's BS. And if the superintendent does not like the 15% reduction in pay, he can leave whenever he likes. There is enough smart people that can do his job for half his salary. But the worst thing we can do is get rid of teachers. They are in the trenches and are the ones who are directly engaged with the students. Some administrative positions can go, but some are also essential. The bottom line is this, everyone has to hurt, not just those that are in the bottom rung of the educational system.
FROMTHEBLOGOSPHE RE

El Paso, TX

#24 Apr 9, 2011
james russell ret wrote:
<quoted text>If you have all this intelligence why not identify yourself as a reporter with your name out in the open instead of using a moniker. Or is it trash you have just assembled off the internet and claimed as your own information?
You are correct in your criticism. I was wrong not to give the source (which I always do). I also failed to put "From" and then the actual title of the essay or article.

Here was the source:

From "We're not being told the truth on Libya" by Johann Hari
THE INDEPENDENT ON SUNDAY
Friday, 8 April 2011

IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

P.S.
Confession: I purposely didn't give the source to see what reader(s) might say. You correctly criticized!
diogenes

El Paso, TX

#25 Apr 9, 2011
Craig wrote:
I agree that special education's funding should not be reduced or eliminated. It is an absolute necessity for some students. Sports may be an area that can be reduced or eliminated (grudgingly so), but so can reducing pay by 15% across the board for those making $85,000+, including the superintendent. I don't care what anybody says, no one is worth $280,000/yr (EPISD superintendent). That's BS. And if the superintendent does not like the 15% reduction in pay, he can leave whenever he likes. There is enough smart people that can do his job for half his salary. But the worst thing we can do is get rid of teachers. They are in the trenches and are the ones who are directly engaged with the students. Some administrative positions can go, but some are also essential. The bottom line is this, everyone has to hurt, not just those that are in the bottom rung of the educational system.
I totally agree! BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN. Can this reduction in pay be a voting option? Petition/Referendum? Any lawyers out there who can answer this?
PERIOD

El Paso, TX

#26 Apr 9, 2011
JIM wrote:
Josh is very wrong and almost very correct at the same time. Special Ed. students do require some special help but then again: Why does EPISD support baby sitting for those students that could not learn no matter what. I do not suggest that those kids with sickness's that put them in wheel chairs and can not talk, walk, eat, IE:c can not do anything for themselves not get help but many of these children are put into schools just to baby sit for 8 hours, 5 days a week to give the parents a break from their responsiblities. School personnel, diaper them, feed them, move then around,escort them from classroom to classroom, intertain them and in many cases have thier time and hands bound to prevent these same people from spending time with those special ed students that can learn with patience and guidence. If a child can not learn the simplist of things, they problally should be homebound or put into instutions that would be more helpful to them than our public school system in order to satisfy NO CILD LEFT BEHIND. Teach those that can learn and be productive and find better ways to help those that are in the system just to provide baby sitting. Visit any school that has a life skills classroom and see for yourself what is going on, or if you are a parent with a special needs child, check the school before enrolling your child to see if that class room teaches or is just there to baby sit. If you want baby sitting for your child, keep him or her at home, if you want your child to have a chance in life, make sure that you not only give your child that chance, but do not just have the school system do it for you. Its your responsiblity as well and that will not come easy but if all EPISD does is baby sit for you, then get off your lazy butts and help your children not only at home but at school as well.
Hit the nail right on the head with this JIM! I agree. It's a fking babysitting service at the schools.
Do it

United States

#27 Apr 9, 2011
The first thing to do is close the two schools that are way under populated.
Then take away bilingual and kindergarten stipends. It used to be different but these folks don't work any harder than the regular education teachers.
Dual-language may not be needed either. At least cut their stipends. Those classes have kids whose parents want them in the class so they should be somewhat motivated.
Special Education and Gifted Education are needed as they are mandated by the government.
Sports is something that can be looked at as well. They are needed but maybe there is a way to narrow down the number of teams and coaches?
We need the academic coaches. They do a great job supporting the students and the teachers. Cut some of the librarians at the smaller schools, maybe they can share with other small schools. Or bring in an aide who can at least check in and out books and shelve the books.
There have to be ways to make the difference without impacting the classroom directly.
PERIOD

El Paso, TX

#28 Apr 9, 2011
no way wrote:
<quoted text>
And how do you expect these parents to take care of their special needs children at home?? With what money if they can't get out and work? And your "institution" idea would also take tax payer dollars! DUH!!
I'm sure the Social Security Check that comes in for these kids is more than enough.... Social Security, Disability, Medicaid, etc. Most of these parent(s) don't work, and if they did, they have their priorities well screwed up... Take care of your kid... Don't push 'em off for someone else to babysit. I know an inclusion teacher at a school, and she makes $69,000 and has 3 aids to help with 5 challenged kids. Just that class alone costs the district at least $130,000. And this is just one school. Nothing against these kids, but they should be at home being looked after by their parent(s), not school employees. Regular kids don't get that kid of support at school. It's just like reverse discrimination.... And don't forget that special bus that provides free transportation to and from school. BTW... School employees better not screw up anything on the kids' IEP, or that parent will be at the school with lawyers and lawsuits. Better not make that diaper too tight!
JIM

El Paso, TX

#29 Apr 9, 2011
Hit the nail right on the head with this JIM! I agree. It's a fking babysitting service at the schools.

Its worse than you know or think that you know. EPISD likes to throw away money and get nothing in return. Specal Ed. has in many ways been overlooked and taken advantage of by the system. Many special ed costs are covered by the state but remember, where does the state get the money...my taxes and my money should not be wasted on baby sitting without results. I would rather have my money spendt on programs that would help special ed. students learn something worth while even if it is something simple like making pizza boxes. Its honest work and many of the special ed. students can learn simple things that would make a difference. The kids that are in wheel chairs and mostly vegetables thru no falut of their own have little or no chance for a better life and should be helped but not in the public school setting but somewhere that they can get the correct help and support. Baby sitting should not be an option and if the parents of these kids only drop them off at school for baby sitting, something is wrong. Many of these kids come to school after a weekend at home, dirty, smelling, hungry and sick but are unable to tell anyone how they feel, but MOM is happy to put them on a bus and not have to deal with them for 8 or so hours. You can tell when a parent does involve themselves with their special needs children,those are the ones who have a chance of a better quality of life over those that are just sent to school for baby sitting reasons. If you donot beleive me, go to any school for yourself and get noisy, if you are one of the parents that have a special needs child, at least take the time and effort to see what is going on at your expense. I could go on and on.
Concerned

Livermore, CA

#30 Apr 9, 2011
PERIOD wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure the Social Security Check that comes in for these kids is more than enough.... Social Security, Disability, Medicaid, etc. Most of these parent(s) don't work, and if they did, they have their priorities well screwed up... Take care of your kid... Don't push 'em off for someone else to babysit. I know an inclusion teacher at a school, and she makes $69,000 and has 3 aids to help with 5 challenged kids. Just that class alone costs the district at least $130,000. And this is just one school. Nothing against these kids, but they should be at home being looked after by their parent(s), not school employees. Regular kids don't get that kid of support at school. It's just like reverse discrimination.... And don't forget that special bus that provides free transportation to and from school. BTW... School employees better not screw up anything on the kids' IEP, or that parent will be at the school with lawyers and lawsuits. Better not make that diaper too tight!
You seem to know alot about the amount of money that Social Security pays for these kids but you are wrong that it is "more than enough". Many families with disabled kids struggle to meet the bills each month. I know a family that has a parent stay home to care for the disabled child and the parents have to defend the decision to not only family and friends but to some state agencies when they need a little extra help to survive the month.
BTW:......The general education kids can also get free transportation to/from school as well if they live far enough from the school.
Really Are YOU For Real

United States

#31 Apr 9, 2011
Special Education children are NOT being baby sat! My son isn't in near as bad shape as some, but I like all the other Mothers and Fathers of Special Education Children, have that glimmer of hope in their hearts that their children can learn something. Even if it is just a word, anything, anything at all.

These children are a total joy. I couldn't be happier with mine. But they take a tremendous toll on one's phicical condition, stress, anxiety etc. Itss not easy being a parent of a Special Education child. These kids have a right to learn also.

I only wish some of you butt wipes could walk in my, and my wife's shoes, even just for one day. It would wipe the sarcastic smirk off of your faces in no time.
WOW

El Paso, TX

#32 Apr 10, 2011
JIM wrote:
Josh is very wrong and almost very correct at the same time. Special Ed. students do require some special help but then again: Why does EPISD support baby sitting for those students that could not learn no matter what. I do not suggest that those kids with sickness's that put them in wheel chairs and can not talk, walk, eat, IE:c can not do anything for themselves not get help but many of these children are put into schools just to baby sit for 8 hours, 5 days a week to give the parents a break from their responsiblities. School personnel, diaper them, feed them, move then around,escort them from classroom to classroom, intertain them and in many cases have thier time and hands bound to prevent these same people from spending time with those special ed students that can learn with patience and guidence. If a child can not learn the simplist of things, they problally should be homebound or put into instutions that would be more helpful to them than our public school system in order to satisfy NO CILD LEFT BEHIND. Teach those that can learn and be productive and find better ways to help those that are in the system just to provide baby sitting. Visit any school that has a life skills classroom and see for yourself what is going on, or if you are a parent with a special needs child, check the school before enrolling your child to see if that class room teaches or is just there to baby sit. If you want baby sitting for your child, keep him or her at home, if you want your child to have a chance in life, make sure that you not only give your child that chance, but do not just have the school system do it for you. Its your responsiblity as well and that will not come easy but if all EPISD does is baby sit for you, then get off your lazy butts and help your children not only at home but at school as well.
Jim,
What if that were child wouldn't you want your child to attend school. I wouldn't call it babysitting. The students have the right to an education just like your child would. Maybe you are right about setting for some the children but they do deserve an education just like everyone else. If it is not the school then the state would have to foot bill for these students either way someone is going to have to pay.
WOW

El Paso, TX

#33 Apr 10, 2011
JIM wrote:
Hit the nail right on the head with this JIM! I agree. It's a fking babysitting service at the schools.
Its worse than you know or think that you know. EPISD likes to throw away money and get nothing in return. Specal Ed. has in many ways been overlooked and taken advantage of by the system. Many special ed costs are covered by the state but remember, where does the state get the money...my taxes and my money should not be wasted on baby sitting without results. I would rather have my money spendt on programs that would help special ed. students learn something worth while even if it is something simple like making pizza boxes. Its honest work and many of the special ed. students can learn simple things that would make a difference. The kids that are in wheel chairs and mostly vegetables thru no falut of their own have little or no chance for a better life and should be helped but not in the public school setting but somewhere that they can get the correct help and support. Baby sitting should not be an option and if the parents of these kids only drop them off at school for baby sitting, something is wrong. Many of these kids come to school after a weekend at home, dirty, smelling, hungry and sick but are unable to tell anyone how they feel, but MOM is happy to put them on a bus and not have to deal with them for 8 or so hours. You can tell when a parent does involve themselves with their special needs children,those are the ones who have a chance of a better quality of life over those that are just sent to school for baby sitting reasons. If you donot beleive me, go to any school for yourself and get noisy, if you are one of the parents that have a special needs child, at least take the time and effort to see what is going on at your expense. I could go on and on.
Right again I would love for the district to teach these student a skill because academic curriculums are not set up these children. You are right may time the parents don't care about their children but as I an educator that were I can step in and help. Just would you do if that was child?
EP GIRL

San Elizario, TX

#34 Apr 14, 2011
Really Are YOU For Real wrote:
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Josh, you appear to be in more of a need of an education than anyone else. I have a son in Special Education, so what you are saying is that a mentally challenged person, who is that way thru no fault of his own, should be denied a chance at life? A chance to learn? A chance at normalcy? Josh, you are truly lucky that I don't know who you are, or I'd shove your stupid posting up your butt.
I can’t believe this idiot…JOSH…. As a teacher (Special Education) I can tell you that this is not only a program it is necessary for these children’s success…

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