Letters: Save teachers

Letters: Save teachers

There are 34 comments on the El Paso Times story from Apr 8, 2011, titled Letters: Save teachers. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Where school districts should cut is from the top. If the superintendents and their immediate assistants were to get a pay cut, we could save teachers.

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FROMTHEBLOGOSPHE RE

El Paso, TX

#1 Apr 9, 2011
LIBYA:

So why are our governments really bombing Libya? We won't know for sure until the declassified documents come out many years from now. But Bill Richardson, the former US energy secretary who served as US ambassador to the UN, is probably right when he says: "There's another interest, and that's energy... Libya is among the 10 top oil producers in the world. You can almost say that the gas prices in the US going up have probably happened because of a stoppage of Libyan oil production... So this is not an insignificant country, and I think our involvement is justified."

THE CONGO:

The war in the Congo is the deadliest war since Adolf Hitler marched across Europe. When I reported on it, I saw the worst things I could have ever conceived of: armies of drugged and mutilated children, women who had been gang-raped and shot in the vagina. Over five million people have been killed so far – and the trail of blood runs directly to your mobile phone and mine.

The major UN investigation into the war explained how it happened. They said bluntly and factually that "armies of business" had invaded Congo to pillage its resources and sell them to the knowing West. The most valuable loot is coltan, which is used to make the metal in our mobile phones and games consoles and laptops. The "armies of business" fought and killed to control the mines and send it to us. The UN listed some of the major Western corporations fueling this trade, and said if they were stopped, it would largely end the war.

PAKISTAN:

His administration [Obama's] claims they are killing al-Qa'ida. But there are several flaws in this argument. The intelligence guiding their bombs about who is actually a jihadi is so poor that, for six months, NATO held top-level negotiations with a man who claimed to be the head of the Taliban---only for him to later admit he was a random Pakistani grocer who knew nothing about the organization. He just wanted some baksheesh. The US's own former senior military advisers admit that even when the intel is accurate, for every one jihadi they kill, as many as 50 innocent people die. And almost everyone in Pakistan believes these attacks are actually increasing the number of jihadis, by making young men so angry at the killing of their families they queue to sign up.

The country's leading nuclear scientist, Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy, warns me it is even more dangerous still. He says there is a significant danger that these attacks are spreading so much rage and hatred through the country that it materially increases the chances of the people guarding the country’s nuclear weapons smuggling fissile material out to jihadi groups.

So one of the country's best writers, Fatima Bhutto, tells me: "In Pakistan, when we hear Obama's rhetoric on Libya, we can only laugh. If he was worried about the pointless massacre of innocent civilians, there would be an easy first step for him: stop doing it yourself, in my country."
Josh Taxpayer

United States

#2 Apr 9, 2011
"...Also, instead of cutting sports, cut programs that we don't need, such as dual-language, Gifted and Talented, Special Ed and other programs for students who are pregnant or are dropouts.
Why do we want to penalize students who need to pass to play and give to programs where we are preparing for failure?.. "
In these hard times it seems like we must save money and use use it as wisely as possible. These programs need to be cut only because we can no longer afford to support these type of people. The entitlement programs like this only encourage and foster a lifesyle of handouts.
End it now or at least limit it.
Cut em Boys

United States

#3 Apr 9, 2011
Josh Taxpayer wrote:
"...Also, instead of cutting sports, cut programs that we don't need, such as dual-language, Gifted and Talented, Special Ed and other programs for students who are pregnant or are dropouts.
Why do we want to penalize students who need to pass to play and give to programs where we are preparing for failure?.. "
In these hard times it seems like we must save money and use use it as wisely as possible. These programs need to be cut only because we can no longer afford to support these type of people. The entitlement programs like this only encourage and foster a lifesyle of handouts.
End it now or at least limit it.
Entitlement programs like $10,000 a week to support a Governor, special tax breaks to Big Oil and Insurance, state prisons that are filled with minor drug offenses. Now these are entitlement and handout programs.
Really Are YOU For Real

United States

#4 Apr 9, 2011
Josh Taxpayer wrote:
"...Also, instead of cutting sports, cut programs that we don't need, such as dual-language, Gifted and Talented, Special Ed and other programs for students who are pregnant or are dropouts.
Why do we want to penalize students who need to pass to play and give to programs where we are preparing for failure?.. "
In these hard times it seems like we must save money and use use it as wisely as possible. These programs need to be cut only because we can no longer afford to support these type of people. The entitlement programs like this only encourage and foster a lifesyle of handouts.
End it now or at least limit it.
Josh, you appear to be in more of a need of an education than anyone else. I have a son in Special Education, so what you are saying is that a mentally challenged person, who is that way thru no fault of his own, should be denied a chance at life? A chance to learn? A chance at normalcy? Josh, you are truly lucky that I don't know who you are, or I'd shove your stupid posting up your butt.
JIM

El Paso, TX

#5 Apr 9, 2011
Josh is very wrong and almost very correct at the same time. Special Ed. students do require some special help but then again: Why does EPISD support baby sitting for those students that could not learn no matter what. I do not suggest that those kids with sickness's that put them in wheel chairs and can not talk, walk, eat, IE:c can not do anything for themselves not get help but many of these children are put into schools just to baby sit for 8 hours, 5 days a week to give the parents a break from their responsiblities. School personnel, diaper them, feed them, move then around,escort them from classroom to classroom, intertain them and in many cases have thier time and hands bound to prevent these same people from spending time with those special ed students that can learn with patience and guidence. If a child can not learn the simplist of things, they problally should be homebound or put into instutions that would be more helpful to them than our public school system in order to satisfy NO CILD LEFT BEHIND. Teach those that can learn and be productive and find better ways to help those that are in the system just to provide baby sitting. Visit any school that has a life skills classroom and see for yourself what is going on, or if you are a parent with a special needs child, check the school before enrolling your child to see if that class room teaches or is just there to baby sit. If you want baby sitting for your child, keep him or her at home, if you want your child to have a chance in life, make sure that you not only give your child that chance, but do not just have the school system do it for you. Its your responsiblity as well and that will not come easy but if all EPISD does is baby sit for you, then get off your lazy butts and help your children not only at home but at school as well.
Taxpayer

El Paso, TX

#6 Apr 9, 2011
Cut em Boys wrote:
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Entitlement programs like $10,000 a week to support a Governor, special tax breaks to Big Oil and Insurance, state prisons that are filled with minor drug offenses. Now these are entitlement and handout programs.
Not sure about the other entitlements but one thing that we may do something about is to have family of convicted criminals pay for them to be housed in our prison systems. This is done in other countries so why can't we do this here? Doing this, even a small portion or reimbursement, would save hundreds of millions in taxpayer money.
why

El Paso, TX

#7 Apr 9, 2011
The letter from Mr. Rodriguez is interesting. But those programs are federally mandated and the funds are federal funds not local funds. Do we really want to hold back a child that has been born with learning difficulties or those who have physical limitation. No. we want those folks to be as functional as they can be. Mr. Rodriguez it is time to grow the hell up and learn what these kids already know...life isn't fair. Stick to directing movies.
no way

El Paso, TX

#8 Apr 9, 2011
Cut em Boys wrote:
<quoted text>Entitlement programs like $10,000 a week to support a Governor, special tax breaks to Big Oil and Insurance, state prisons that are filled with minor drug offenses. Now these are entitlement and handout programs.
Precisely!!! So why aren't you all crying about these real problems. Everyone needs a helping hand including pregnant teens. The problem does not go away simply because you cut funding. Where's the compassion to your fellow human beings? Why have we turned into a nation of selfish, hurtful, judgmental a$$es?
no way

El Paso, TX

#9 Apr 9, 2011
JIM wrote:
Josh is very wrong and almost very correct at the same time. Special Ed. students do require some special help but then again: Why does EPISD support baby sitting for those students that could not learn no matter what. I do not suggest that those kids with sickness's that put them in wheel chairs and can not talk, walk, eat, IE:c can not do anything for themselves not get help but many of these children are put into schools just to baby sit for 8 hours, 5 days a week to give the parents a break from their responsiblities. School personnel, diaper them, feed them, move then around,escort them from classroom to classroom, intertain them and in many cases have thier time and hands bound to prevent these same people from spending time with those special ed students that can learn with patience and guidence. If a child can not learn the simplist of things, they problally should be homebound or put into instutions that would be more helpful to them than our public school system in order to satisfy NO CILD LEFT BEHIND. Teach those that can learn and be productive and find better ways to help those that are in the system just to provide baby sitting. Visit any school that has a life skills classroom and see for yourself what is going on, or if you are a parent with a special needs child, check the school before enrolling your child to see if that class room teaches or is just there to baby sit. If you want baby sitting for your child, keep him or her at home, if you want your child to have a chance in life, make sure that you not only give your child that chance, but do not just have the school system do it for you. Its your responsiblity as well and that will not come easy but if all EPISD does is baby sit for you, then get off your lazy butts and help your children not only at home but at school as well.
And how do you expect these parents to take care of their special needs children at home?? With what money if they can't get out and work? And your "institution" idea would also take tax payer dollars! DUH!!
fifthgdtchr

El Paso, TX

#10 Apr 9, 2011
Robert Rodriguez: Before you start spewing ,how about looking at FEDERAL LAWS! Special Ed is a federal law and the district can not just throw it way. And it is funny how you choice to give Special Ed. child the short end of the stick, but want to keep sports. I believe sports should be gotten rid of since the city has a ton of programs our children can join. And getting rid of "non" teachers, you have no clue. Children are rude, destructive and have no respect for their selves, let alone for the adults in the schools. How about you visiting you local schools, elementary, middle and high school, and spend time observing. Then write and see what you believe would be a great solution.
james russell ret

El Paso, TX

#11 Apr 9, 2011
FROMTHEBLOGOSPHERE wrote:
LIBYA:
So why are our governments really bombing Libya? We won't know for sure until the declassified documents come out many years from now. But Bill Richardson, the former US energy secretary who served as US ambassador to the UN, is probably right when he says: "There's another interest, and that's energy... Libya is among the 10 top oil producers in the world. You can almost say that the gas prices in the US going up have probably happened because of a stoppage of Libyan oil production... So this is not an insignificant country, and I think our involvement is justified."
THE CONGO:
The war in the Congo is the deadliest war since Adolf Hitler marched across Europe. When I reported on it, I saw the worst things I could have ever conceived of: armies of drugged and mutilated children, women who had been gang-raped and shot in the vagina. Over five million people have been killed so far – and the trail of blood runs directly to your mobile phone and mine.

PAKISTAN:
His administration [Obama's] claims they are killing al-Qa'ida. But there are several flaws in this argument. The intelligence guiding their bombs about who is actually a jihadi is so poor that, for six months, NATO held top-level negotiations with a man who claimed to be the head of the Taliban---only for him to later admit he was a random Pakistani grocer who knew nothing about the organization. He just wanted some baksheesh. The US's own former senior military advisers admit that even when the intel is accurate, for every one jihadi they kill, as many as 50 innocent people die. And almost everyone in Pakistan believes these attacks are actually increasing the number of jihadis, by making young men so angry at the killing of their families they queue to sign up.
The country's leading nuclear scientist, Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy, warns me it is even more dangerous still. He says there is a significant danger that these attacks are spreading so much rage and hatred through the country that it materially increases the chances of the people guarding the country’s nuclear weapons smuggling fissile material out to jihadi groups.
If you have all this intelligence why not identify yourself as a reporter with your name out in the open instead of using a moniker. Or is it trash you have just assembled off the internet and claimed as your own information?
james russell ret

El Paso, TX

#12 Apr 9, 2011
There are some that want the moon with Education and keeping teachers and getting rid of the administrators is one idea to save money. However there are other more controversial measures that would fill the bill and I know there are those who feel that taking anything away is blasphemy. Cut sports below 9th grade. Cut the coaches whose duties are supplemented above their teaching duties. Cut the ESL programs. We are still in the United States and the children here need to learn English to communicate here, not spanish. That can be taught as an elective. Band is necessary in the middle schools and has been shown to improve the mental abilities of the students. IF the parents are worried about their children's teachers having too many students, then they can come to the school, qualify with a background check and volunteer to assist the teacher one day a week for the entire year. With the number of students going to be assigned to the classes the number of parents would only have to assist once very month. Have a birth check of all students and see if they are from a foreign nation and have a naturalization certificate. If they don't then the parents should be paying tuition or the children removed form the schools and sent back to the country of origin along with the parents. That is unless they have obtained a student visa for each child.

Our schools should not be babysitting 101 classes where the parents drop them off and hope for someone to take care of them for 8 hours a day.

Our biggest problem is having superintendents who are over paid and over compensated by giving them a home allowance, car allowance, and full blown health insurance that pays more the what the teachers and lower administrators are allowed.
NOTHINGBUT THETRUTH

United States

#13 Apr 9, 2011
Josh Taxpayer wrote:
"...Also, instead of cutting sports, cut programs that we don't need, such as dual-language, Gifted and Talented, Special Ed and other programs for students who are pregnant or are dropouts.
Why do we want to penalize students who need to pass to play and give to programs where we are preparing for failure?.. "
In these hard times it seems like we must save money and use use it as wisely as possible. These programs need to be cut only because we can no longer afford to support these type of people. The entitlement programs like this only encourage and foster a lifesyle of handouts.
End it now or at least limit it.
Josh

Leave the Special Ed children alone, they deserve more than me and you put together. And many people would do what the other poster said he would do to you , shove it up your .....
NOTHINGBUT THETRUTH

United States

#14 Apr 9, 2011
Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure about the other entitlements but one thing that we may do something about is to have family of convicted criminals pay for them to be housed in our prison systems. This is done in other countries so why can't we do this here? Doing this, even a small portion or reimbursement, would save hundreds of millions in taxpayer money.
funny you say that, I just said this same thing to someone who works at a prison.

People in mexico take their family member who is in prison food and anything else they need, we are the only ones who have food, doctors, education, etc for them.

If they scream something in defense of their religion THEY MUST ACCOMODATE THEM!

They cater to their every whim.
NOTHINGBUT THETRUTH

United States

#15 Apr 9, 2011
james russell ret wrote:
There are some that want the moon with Education and keeping teachers and getting rid of the administrators is one idea to save money. However there are other more controversial measures that would fill the bill and I know there are those who feel that taking anything away is blasphemy. Cut sports below 9th grade. Cut the coaches whose duties are supplemented above their teaching duties. Cut the ESL programs. We are still in the United States and the children here need to learn English to communicate here, not spanish. That can be taught as an elective. Band is necessary in the middle schools and has been shown to improve the mental abilities of the students. IF the parents are worried about their children's teachers having too many students, then they can come to the school, qualify with a background check and volunteer to assist the teacher one day a week for the entire year. With the number of students going to be assigned to the classes the number of parents would only have to assist once very month. Have a birth check of all students and see if they are from a foreign nation and have a naturalization certificate. If they don't then the parents should be paying tuition or the children removed form the schools and sent back to the country of origin along with the parents. That is unless they have obtained a student visa for each child.
Our schools should not be babysitting 101 classes where the parents drop them off and hope for someone to take care of them for 8 hours a day.
Our biggest problem is having superintendents who are over paid and over compensated by giving them a home allowance, car allowance, and full blown health insurance that pays more the what the teachers and lower administrators are allowed.
let's not forget the babysitting we do for the kids from the people from juarez who come and drop off their kids at our schools .......
NOTHINGBUT THETRUTH

United States

#16 Apr 9, 2011
no way wrote:
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Precisely!!! So why aren't you all crying about these real problems. Everyone needs a helping hand including pregnant teens. The problem does not go away simply because you cut funding. Where's the compassion to your fellow human beings? Why have we turned into a nation of selfish, hurtful, judgmental **** es?
beause the law of life is to work.

You guys first make the arguement that we should not cut eduation funds, then these kids get pregnant so we have to help them financially, then they either drop out of school and become a burden on society which means we need to take care of them and their kids .... it is a never ending cycle.

There are some kids who do become successful despite of dropping out or becoming pregnant but not all, just look at our welfare system.

Everyone who is healthy needs to stand on their own two feet, lord knows many of us do regardless of the twists and turns life brings us.
Larry

El Paso, TX

#17 Apr 9, 2011
Really Are YOU For Real wrote:
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Josh, you appear to be in more of a need of an education than anyone else. I have a son in Special Education, so what you are saying is that a mentally challenged person, who is that way thru no fault of his own, should be denied a chance at life? A chance to learn? A chance at normalcy? Josh, you are truly lucky that I don't know who you are, or I'd shove your stupid posting up your butt.
I agree completely with your point. I'd like to shove it up his buttass too. My nephew is retarded and if he didn't have a short bus to ride each morning to school, I don't know how my poor sister would manage. In addition to my nephew who's not all there, she also has a 16 year old who's knocked up and a 17 year old who is in reform school for punching his teacher. If we end the special programs for kids like these, our whole society will go to hell. So don't you dare cut the funding for it - cut out something we don't need instead.
Father McQuarters

El Paso, TX

#18 Apr 9, 2011
no way wrote:
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Precisely!!! So why aren't you all crying about these real problems. Everyone needs a helping hand including pregnant teens. The problem does not go away simply because you cut funding. Where's the compassion to your fellow human beings? Why have we turned into a nation of selfish, hurtful, judgmental **** es?
The parish that I serve has started a special outreach to pregnant teens that you might look into. We identified some time ago that these wayward girls needed some special, hands on attention and we aim to give it to them. By following the teaching of the Church and His Excellency we can get these girls back on the right path and make something of their lives. Women from a young age need to be taught that their lot in life is not to spread for everyone who promises to help them but instead to find their true calling in life which the Catholic Church can help them find.
Taxpayer

El Paso, TX

#19 Apr 9, 2011
NOTHINGBUT THETRUTH wrote:
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funny you say that, I just said this same thing to someone who works at a prison.
People in mexico take their family member who is in prison food and anything else they need, we are the only ones who have food, doctors, education, etc for them.
If they scream something in defense of their religion THEY MUST ACCOMODATE THEM!
They cater to their every whim.
We, Americans, are so stupid. I was watching a show called Locked up Abroad and the prisoner's families have to take care of their own. If the family does not take care of the prisoner, the prisoner will probably starve to death or die from some disease. We should treat our prisoners like the scum that they are instead of babying them.

I mean we pay to house them, clothe them and to feed them. We also pay for medical which according to Obama, everyone need medical but thats another subject we pay to educate them. Wouldnt you like to receive your bachelors degree compliments of the taxpayers? It is just crazy how much we pay for those scum bags!
April Mendivil

United States

#20 Apr 9, 2011
Robert Rodriguez from East El Paso wrote "Also, instead of cutting sports, cut programs that we don't need, such as dual-language, Gifted and Talented, Special Ed and other programs for students who are pregnant or are dropouts. Why do we want to penalize students who need to pass to play and give to programs where we are preparing for failure? Dual-language classes teach mainly in Spanish. These days, Gifted and Talented, Special Ed and pregnant students or dropouts are not worth teachers losing their jobs, nor are they worth the negative consequences of the soon-to-change student-to-teacher ratio."
I will not write to the need of having dual-language, Gifted and Talented, and other programs for students who are pregnant or are dropouts. But I want to address his misconception he has about the Special Ed program.
The special education programs in schools are important and not preparing for failure. These programs are preparing these kids to succeed in the world around them. Also many Special Ed students are eventually able to return to the mainstream classrooms due to the extra skills that they are taught by these incredible teachers who have dedicated themselves to learning the extra skills necessary to teach these special children.
Also Mr. Rodriguez may not realize is the extra time these children would require in the mainstream classroom would negatively impact the instruction that other students would receive. This is because the teacher would need to stop instruction to provide the extra attention required to these students, if they did receive the instruction of coping skills from their Special Ed teachers.
I write from the perspective of seeing this success firsthand. So I say before speaking of cutting these programs visit a campus and see the impact of your words would have.

Thank You
April Mendivil
Canutillo

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