Are those In Denoms Saved?

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#1 Mar 1, 2012
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Are those in Denoms Saved?

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#2 Mar 1, 2012
Those in denoms must be saved, otherwise every time you needed to make a point you would not run to their commentaries to prove it. If they were not saved you surely would not have their songbooks filled with their songs in your churches being sung every Lords day would you? Just makes me wonder where you guys were the first 1700 years after Pentecost. No commentaries or song writers. Were those years the silent ages of the churches of Christ?
Where Were We

Blue Ridge, TX

#3 Mar 1, 2012
nobody wrote:
Those in denoms must be saved, otherwise every time you needed to make a point you would not run to their commentaries to prove it. If they were not saved you surely would not have their songbooks filled with their songs in your churches being sung every Lords day would you? Just makes me wonder where you guys were the first 1700 years after Pentecost. No commentaries or song writers. Were those years the silent ages of the churhes of Christ?


Where we the church of Christ?

In Rome

In Jerusalem

In Corinth

In Ephesus

In Galatia

Get it?

(Rom. 16:16) proves what I am saying is true.

The churches of Christ salute you.



*It don't get any better that that.

Can you write a book about the church you attend using the Bible alone?

Apologetics Press has a book entitled -

What The Bible Says About The Church of Christ

It is filled with scripture proving the church of Christ was the first century church. Even if you do not think the coC was the first century church get the book which only cost $5.00 and begin to show where all the error are in the book. I am waiting on someone to do that. This is a prime time for those who can prove the church of Christ did not exist in the first century.

Take your swing at it.

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#4 Mar 2, 2012
Where Were We wrote:
<quoted text>
Where we the church of Christ?
In Rome
In Jerusalem
In Corinth
In Ephesus
In Galatia
Get it?
(Rom. 16:16) proves what I am saying is true.
The churches of Christ salute you.
*It don't get any better that that.
Can you write a book about the church you attend using the Bible alone?
Apologetics Press has a book entitled -
What The Bible Says About The Church of Christ
It is filled with scripture proving the church of Christ was the first century church. Even if you do not think the coC was the first century church get the book which only cost $5.00 and begin to show where all the error are in the book. I am waiting on someone to do that. This is a prime time for those who can prove the church of Christ did not exist in the first century.
Take your swing at it.
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Your group just hijacked the name. You do not teach the same thing, not exactly. But that is no different than any other denom. The group that calls themselves the churches of Christ today are not the same churches of Christ refereed to in the bible. You cannot trace yourselves to the early church without going through the Catholic church and denominations. You stated at the Cane Ridge Revival. Be honest, that seems to be very hard for you guys.
nobody

Olive Hill, KY

#6 Mar 2, 2012
The true history of the Church of Christ is well documented. Your false claims make the real churches of Christ look bad. The main reason it is so well documented is the present day churches of Christ are very young. That is why you have to refer to denominational commentaries and sing their songs in your church services. You are fairly young church from the restoration movement and in a few of these churches they have allowed lies to come into their churches. They now believe their own lies. Their consciousnesses has become seared. A perfect example is Poegate and the defense of it rather than the condemnation of it.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#7 Mar 2, 2012
"The true history of the Church of Christ is well documented." Yes it is . ;)

Alexander Campbell (1788-1866)

Glasgow, Scotland
"The Church of Christ meeting in Morrisons Court, Glasgow" was established somewhere between 1772 and 1782. They had 180 members in 1818. This group also worshipped each Lord's day. As to the order of services, they followed the pattern of Acts two where "they continued in the Apostle's doctrine, and fellowship, and in the breaking of bread, and in prayers" (Acts 2:42). Realizing the importance of doctrinal purity, they explained "it is necessary to guard both against too much and too little forbearance; and especially in respect to the external order of the society." (Reference: The Christian Baptist, Volume 5, Issue 4, November 1827).

1782 is before A. Campbell was born.

William Rogers tombstone has interesting to say-

William Rogers
Born In Campbell Co., VA. July 7, 1784,
Removed With His Father To
Caine Ridge, Bourbon Co., Apr. 1798
United With The Church Of Christ
At Caine Ridge In 1807
Died Feb. 15, 1862
In The 78th Year Of His Age

At the time William Rogers "united with the church of Christ at Caine Ridge," Alexander Campbell was but a young man in his teens, still living in Ireland.

Facts are important things.

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Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#8 Mar 2, 2012

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#9 Mar 2, 2012
Baptists On Baptism
Jerry C. Brewer


In his little booklet, What Baptists Believe And Why They Believe It, J. G. Bow wrote, "Baptists believe that no one is a scriptural subject for baptism till he is already saved. All well-informed people know that we teach this; then upon what ground can they say we believe baptism essential to salvation?" (pp. 36-37).

A clearer statement of Baptist doctrine concerning baptism cannot be found. Neither can be found a clearer rejection of Jesus words in Mark 16:16: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." But Baptists say "He that believeth and is saved shall be baptized," clearly perverting the words of Christ.

Baptism is not the only requisite to salvation, but it is a requisite. What Bow states above is the exact position of Billy Graham who has, for decades, preached a false doctrine and led men to eternal destruction. Satan added one small three-letter word to God's command and brought destruction to the human race (Gen. 2:17; 3:4). Satan must surely rejoice at the modern Baptist perversion of God's word.

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nobody

Olive Hill, KY

#10 Mar 2, 2012
HEATH - 72 wrote:
William Rogers tombstone has interesting to say-
William Rogers
Born In Campbell Co., VA. July 7, 1784,
Removed With His Father To
Caine Ridge, Bourbon Co., Apr. 1798
United With The Church Of Christ
At Caine Ridge In 1807
Died Feb. 15, 1862
In The 78th Year Of His Age
At the time William Rogers "united with the church of Christ at Caine Ridge," Alexander Campbell was but a young man in his teens, still living in Ireland.
Facts are important things.
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Cane Ridge was built and run by Presbyterians during 1798 and the year sited on the tombstone(1807). It was never called a Church of Christ as they are today and your church at Royce City does. The tombstone refers to "Church of Christ" as the Baptist Church refereed to "Church of Christ" is your other paragraph. You should be ashamed of twisting the truth. Cane Ridge was never the Cane Ridge Church of Christ. They referred to themselves as the Baptist and Methodist would today also, church of Christ, Christian, church of God, etc.

http://www.caneridge.org/home.html

A group of Kentucky's early settlers built Cane Ridge Meeting House in 1791. Nestled among Kentucky's rolling hills and gracious horse farms, Cane Ridge Meeting House is located on State Highway 537 in Bourbon County, Kentucky. It is believed to be the largest one-room log structure standing in North America. It is the symbol of the late 18th and early 19th Century Western Great Revival. The Cane Ridge Presbyterian congregation with its pastor Barton Warren Stone were hosts for the event that took place here in August 1801.
nobody

Olive Hill, KY

#11 Mar 2, 2012
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Baptists On Baptism
Jerry C. Brewer
In his little booklet, What Baptists Believe And Why They Believe It, J. G. Bow wrote, "Baptists believe that no one is a scriptural subject for baptism till he is already saved. All well-informed people know that we teach this; then upon what ground can they say we believe baptism essential to salvation?" (pp. 36-37).
A clearer statement of Baptist doctrine concerning baptism cannot be found. Neither can be found a clearer rejection of Jesus words in Mark 16:16: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." But Baptists say "He that believeth and is saved shall be baptized," clearly perverting the words of Christ.
Baptism is not the only requisite to salvation, but it is a requisite. What Bow states above is the exact position of Billy Graham who has, for decades, preached a false doctrine and led men to eternal destruction. Satan added one small three-letter word to God's command and brought destruction to the human race (Gen. 2:17; 3:4). Satan must surely rejoice at the modern Baptist perversion of God's word.
www.roysecitycoc.org
LOL, can't you verify anything with Church of Christ accounts from that time period Heath?

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#12 Mar 2, 2012
nobody wrote:
<quoted text>Cane Ridge was built and run by Presbyterians during 1798 and the year sited on the tombstone(1807). It was never called a Church of Christ as they are today and your church at Royce City does. The tombstone refers to "Church of Christ" as the Baptist Church refereed to "Church of Christ" is your other paragraph. You should be ashamed of twisting the truth. Cane Ridge was never the Cane Ridge Church of Christ. They referred to themselves as the Baptist and Methodist would today also, church of Christ, Christian, church of God, etc.

http://www.caneridge.org/home.html

A group of Kentucky's early settlers built Cane Ridge Meeting House in 1791. Nestled among Kentucky's rolling hills and gracious horse farms, Cane Ridge Meeting House is located on State Highway 537 in Bourbon County, Kentucky. It is believed to be the largest one-room log structure standing in North America. It is the symbol of the late 18th and early 19th Century Western Great Revival. The Cane Ridge Presbyterian congregation with its pastor Barton Warren Stone were hosts for the event that took place here in August 1801.
Keep up that wishful thinking.

You could not prove that tombstone is referring to a Baptist church if life depended on it.

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nobody

Morehead, KY

#13 Mar 2, 2012
Not Baptist but Presbyterian, or was that intentional? THE YEAR 1807 IS COVERED BELOW IN THE TIME PERIOD FROM 1791 WHEN IT WAS BUILT UNTIL IT WAS DISBANDED IN 1921. It was NEVER called the Cane Ridge Church of Christ. Everything below is straight from the site. The church was built a Presbyterian church and you can see the history below. All churches consider themselves churches of Christ, even the very early Catholics as I have proven on here and you have ignored before.
http://www.caneridge.org/home.html
A group of Kentucky's early settlers built Cane Ridge Meeting House in 1791. Nestled among Kentucky's rolling hills and gracious horse farms, Cane Ridge Meeting House is located on State Highway 537 in Bourbon County, Kentucky. It is believed to be the largest one-room log structure standing in North America. It is the symbol of the late 18th and early 19th Century Western Great Revival.

Religion on the Frontier
The young Presbyterian minister, Barton Warren Stone (1772-1844), arrived on the western frontier to pastor at Cane Ridge in 1796. By the end of the century, Presbyterians in Kentucky, southern Ohio, and northern Tennessee traveled to each other's sacramental communion services which typically began on Friday or Saturday and continued through Monday. Joining them in increasing numbers after a meeting at Red River in Logan County in June 1801 were Methodists and Baptists as well as the unchurched.

Birth of "The Christians"
In 1804, a small group of Presbyterian ministers from Kentucky and Ohio, including Stone, penned and signed a document, "The Last Will and Testament of the Springfield Presbytery", at Cane Ridge that resulted in the birth of a movement seeking unity among Christians along non-sectarian lines. They would call themselves simply "Christians. The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), the Churches of Christ (non-instrumental), and the Christian Churches (independent) of the Stone-Campbell movement trace their origins here.

Cane Ridge Christian Church congregation continued until 1921 when the declining congregation disbanded
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#14 Mar 2, 2012
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>Keep up that wishful thinking.

You could not prove that tombstone is referring to a Baptist church if life depended on it.

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Strike Blind

Caddo Mills, TX

#15 Mar 3, 2012
nobody wrote:
<quoted text>Your group just hijacked the name. You do not teach the same thing, not exactly. But that is no different than any other denom. The group that calls themselves the churches of Christ today are not the same churches of Christ refereed to in the bible. You cannot trace yourselves to the early church without going through the Catholic church and denominations. You stated at the Cane Ridge Revival. Be honest, that seems to be very hard for you guys.
If I had a watermelon seed which came from the first century, I would not need to trace it back to that time. I just need to plant that seed in good soil and help it to grow and make fruit (multiply).

I do not need to trace it back nor do I need to know where all that particular seed had been all this time.

All I need to know is that it truly is a watermelon seed.

Likewise all I need to do is take the truth found in the NT and teach it to a good and honest heart (John 17:17)(Luke 8:15). If that person accepts the truth I teach them, they can be what they were in the first century (Christians). They would be Christians according to (Acts 11:26). That is the name the Lord called them according to (Isa. 62:2).

2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

*And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

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Royse City

#18 Mar 3, 2012
Does Baptism Save?
Preston Silcox

The sign in front of the interdenominational church building said...
Water baptism never saved anyone.
Sometime later the same church ran an ad in the local classifieds that announced the identical message. Is this bold and public proclamation true? Consider a few scriptures.
Mark 16:16 — "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Acts 2:38 — "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 22:16 — "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Romans 6:3-4 — "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
Galatians 3:27 — "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
1 Peter 3:21 — "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

These verses indicate the very opposite of the sign and ad noted above. Of course, one should keep in mind that these passages do not teach that baptism alone saves. God's grace (cf. Titus 2:11-12) and Christ's blood (Rev. 1:5), among other items, are essential to man's salvation.

Additionally, God has other requirements in His plan for humanity. They include faith (Jn. 8:24), repentance (Lk. 13:3), confession of Christ (Rom. 10:9-10), and faithfulness after baptism (1 Jn. 1:7). Still, to say baptism is not necessary for salvation is to ignore clear claims of the Bible!

www.roysecitycoc.org

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#19 Mar 3, 2012
CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD
Preston Silcox

What does it mean to “call on the name of the Lord?” Legion are they who teach that this means to approach Christ in prayer, asking him to forgive one’s own sins and come into one’s heart for the purpose of being his or her “personal Savior.” Usually, Romans 10:13 is quoted as a proof text for this teaching:“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” However, this phrase is used in other places in the Bible and to understand its meaning in Romans, the phrase should be studied in the other contexts as well.

In Romans 10, Paul is quoting Joel 2:32 emphasizing the universal nature of the Gospel. Another New Testament spokesman who quoted Joel was Peter on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:21). Peter was preaching to those who were guilty of shedding the innocent blood of Jesus. Upon realizing the severity of their crime, the convicted crowd cried out,“Men and brethren, what shall we do?” They knew they were guilty and they knew they needed forgiveness. In addition, they had heard Peter quote Joel, saying,“Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” So, what was Peter’s response to their question? Did he tell them to pray to Jesus for forgiveness? Did he command them to ask Christ to come into their hearts as their personal Savior? No! He told them to “Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins”(Acts 2:38). Here is inspired commentary on the phrase,“call on the name of the Lord.” According to Peter, who was speaking by inspiration, calling on the name of the Lord is obeying the gospel.

What about you? Are you one who calls on the name of the Lord (I Cor. 1:2)? That is, are you one who obeys the Christ? If not, why not determine to follow the example of those 3,000 on the day of Pentecost, and call on his name today and continue to do so all the days of your life.

www.roysecitycoc.org
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#20 Mar 3, 2012
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Does Baptism Save?
Preston Silcox

The sign in front of the interdenominational church building said...
Water baptism never saved anyone.
Sometime later the same church ran an ad in the local classifieds that announced the identical message. Is this bold and public proclamation true? Consider a few scriptures.
Mark 16:16 — "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Acts 2:38 — "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 22:16 — "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Romans 6:3-4 — "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
Galatians 3:27 — "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
1 Peter 3:21 — "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

These verses indicate the very opposite of the sign and ad noted above. Of course, one should keep in mind that these passages do not teach that baptism alone saves. God's grace (cf. Titus 2:11-12) and Christ's blood (Rev. 1:5), among other items, are essential to man's salvation.

Additionally, God has other requirements in His plan for humanity. They include faith (Jn. 8:24), repentance (Lk. 13:3), confession of Christ (Rom. 10:9-10), and faithfulness after baptism (1 Jn. 1:7). Still, to say baptism is not necessary for salvation is to ignore clear claims of the Bible!

www.roysecitycoc.org
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#21 Mar 3, 2012
HEATH - 72 wrote:
CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD
Preston Silcox

What does it mean to “call on the name of the Lord?” Legion are they who teach that this means to approach Christ in prayer, asking him to forgive one’s own sins and come into one’s heart for the purpose of being his or her “personal Savior.” Usually, Romans 10:13 is quoted as a proof text for this teaching:“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” However, this phrase is used in other places in the Bible and to understand its meaning in Romans, the phrase should be studied in the other contexts as well.

In Romans 10, Paul is quoting Joel 2:32 emphasizing the universal nature of the Gospel. Another New Testament spokesman who quoted Joel was Peter on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:21). Peter was preaching to those who were guilty of shedding the innocent blood of Jesus. Upon realizing the severity of their crime, the convicted crowd cried out,“Men and brethren, what shall we do?” They knew they were guilty and they knew they needed forgiveness. In addition, they had heard Peter quote Joel, saying,“Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” So, what was Peter’s response to their question? Did he tell them to pray to Jesus for forgiveness? Did he command them to ask Christ to come into their hearts as their personal Savior? No! He told them to “Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins”(Acts 2:38). Here is inspired commentary on the phrase,“call on the name of the Lord.” According to Peter, who was speaking by inspiration, calling on the name of the Lord is obeying the gospel.

What about you? Are you one who calls on the name of the Lord (I Cor. 1:2)? That is, are you one who obeys the Christ? If not, why not determine to follow the example of those 3,000 on the day of Pentecost, and call on his name today and continue to do so all the days of your life.

www.roysecitycoc.org
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