Family protests Palmyra fireworks

Full story: Lebanon Daily News

Thousands of Palmyra residents filled Fireman's Park Saturday afternoon for a day of fun and fellowship for the Old Fashioned Community picnic, but a small group of residents were there to send a different message.
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By stander

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#22
Aug 30, 2010
 
Thank you!!
I'll consider the terroistic threat part and discuss with my lawyer---great advice.
Not too mention slander of jay's name and reputation! I can share this with the legal consel for the Palmyra Boro they might be able to use this in the future!
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Aug 30, 2010
 
By stander wrote:
Thank you!!
I'll consider the terroistic threat part and discuss with my lawyer---great advice.
Not too mention slander of jay's name and reputation! I can share this with the legal consel for the Palmyra Boro they might be able to use this in the future!
What a baby you are. You keep throwing out this terroistic threat deal. Are you stupid? You told me to be careful, what was that? Besides we don't even know each other, we don't even know what each of us look like or where we live. How is that a threat? This is a PUBLIC ON LINE FORUM. I have freedom of speach. Also, why on earth would an attorney for the fireworks company care what anyone says about them? Are you telling me I can't say I think they are unsafe and do shotty work? I can also say Arnold and the others that hired them again made a huge mistake. That's my OPINION. I posted on here first with my OPINION and all of you attacked me for having an OPINION. Grow up. You take that to an attorney and let them charge you $400.00 an hour to tell you you can't do squat. We don't even know each others names! You are such a baby and to make fun of this family that got hurt and put them down for hiring an attorney. Look at you! Baby. If you can't handle someone's opinion don't chime in.
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Lebanon, PA

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#24
Aug 30, 2010
 
To get on with the original reason for my post before I was attacked- I just don't see how hireing them again was a good idea. It was even on the news that the same company who had the accident was putting on Palmyra's fireworks again. It was on all the news stations. I just believe that was bad press for Palmyra. You know it's my opinion like I said before and I can have that opinion.If people can't handle that then don't be part of the planning of it or don't put me down for having a differant view than yourself!
By stander

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#25
Aug 31, 2010
 
First of all please read who some of the responses are from...I did not mention anything about the fireworks company.
Secondly, yes I believe the kid who got hurt should be able to recover money lost for medical expenses, time lost from working and REASONABLE pain and suffering BUT his mother is just going about it all wrong and people are getting upset with her comments. She does not need to say 'i'm going to sue to get my son a car and his education'...also she's been heard to say 'i've sued people many other times'... Sounds like all she wants to do it sue everyone! Maybe if she kept her mouth shut then people might respect her decision to sue.
This is not between you and me. Yes you are entitled to your opinion but you still made some comments about Mr Armold that were not necessary especially since you did not have ALL the facts.
There is a difference between threats and opinions! My comment about 'becareful what you say' was not in anyway a threat even if you took it that way... See how words can be taken out of context. I never physically threatened you!
Obviously you are related to or are a close friend of this boy because you have so much venom and cannot listen to others opinions. Remember there are two sides to every story and if you are willing to share your opinion then respect the opinion of others also. I wonder if his real dad would have handled this matter in a more respectable manner?
In the end, I hope that young man fully recovers, gets the appropriate monies and moves forward.
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Aug 31, 2010
 
So we do agree on some of the things that are relavent here. But to let you know I am in no way related to any of the people hurt. Also I did not here any of the sueing comments or know there was a step father.I did not know anything about the mother. None of that is my business.I read this article and based on that I gave my opinion. If the article did not give all of the facts then I'm sure there is a lot I do not know here. But I am referring to what was in the article only. I gave my opinion and it was the first post; after that I was attacked and called stupid and was told to watch out. So I reacted.Someone did bring up a good point- that there were more people involved in the decision than just Mr. Arnold. The article did not mention this. So there were things that were not reported that probably should have been. I do stand by my original thought and that is if a company is unsafe and has a poor record I would not trust to use them again. It puts the Boro at risk for a lawsuit as well. That's the point I wanted to make and of cours I don't have any bad feelings toward anyone making comments on this forum. It's all taken with a grain of salt. After all it is the internet and 80% of whats on here you can't believe anyway.
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Aug 31, 2010
 
It seems to me that property owner has given his comments some reconsideration, probably advised by someone that the stuff he was saying online was inappropriate and was looking bad on the family. Or it could be that it's not the same person in the later posts.
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#28
Aug 31, 2010
 
Your reading too much into it. By Stander came out and said they did not mean anything bad towards me when they mentioned the phrase " you better watch out". They said they did not mean to threaten me. So in turn I also decided to find some common ground. I think we both agree on certain points and we both have valid points. I do believe some think I have something to do with these people but I do not. I post on here all the time.Also why would someone else post for me???? I think we just both agree we have nothing against each other we just have some points we would like to have everyone ponder.
Its just me

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#29
Sep 2, 2010
 
PS... there is so much that Jay Armold and the boro doesn't know about this company. Had they done just a little reseach on a company that could "blow up" their town, they just may have reconsidered. Had they considered the fire chief's concern's before the july 4th incident things may have turned out differently. Why hae a fire chief in the boro if you're not going to take his advice about fire and explosives? And if the committee has so much faith in this company, why move the location after nearby residents complained? Remember, "it was just an accident" as quoted from Jay Armold. And there is A LOT that he nor the committee doesn't know about the "incident" in Virginia just 19 days after the one in Palmyra. He may have "sold the fireworks to the volunteer fire dept" in VA but here's some things you may not know. Again do some research before you speak of things you don't know about....

In 2004 in response to 9/11, the Safe Explosives Act (SEA) was ammended to begin excluding certain people from handling explosives, including fireworks. A new classification was devised that created the privilege to handle explosoves called an Employee Possessor. Under the ammended Act , anyone who has access to explosives of any kind, and this includes fireworks, must submit fingerprints and submit to a background criminal check before they are issued what is called an Employee Possessor clearance. If you fail the background check then the ATF forbids you to handle, touch, load, or be involved with explosives, fireworks included. Employers must submit what is called an Employee Possessor Questionaire (EPQ) for each person they employ and the background checks and fingerprinting has to be done for those persons. The process takes about 2 months, sometimes longer and must be done on persons who may even shoot one display a year.

These ammendments to the SEA have nothing to do with safety. It is more of an intent by the government to forbid persons they think could have a potential terrorist bent to their personalities. In that regard there is a safety element, but that is not the intent.

So let's clear this up. Anyone working for "said fireworks company" must have had an EPQ submitted for them and "said fireworks company" must have a letter of clearance on file for those individuals or he has broken federal law.

In the case of Front Royal, the way "said fireworks company" appears to get around this is he "hires" the fire dept personnel, he must've trained them or certified them in some way as fit to work for him and then they operate under him. Prior to the SEA ammendments anyone could shoot fireworks with the proper training, certification and background to do so safely. Fire personnel used to obtain a permit (if one was required) to buy fireworks in a given state, and with a temporary one time permit from the ATF purchase fireworks for a show they wanted to do. That has all changed. They may only be discharged by actual fireworks companies these days.

So again.... maybe you don't know all the facts like you think you do.
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#30
Sep 2, 2010
 
so if they are employees of "said fireworks company" then that would make the company "at fault" NOT the firefighters.
By Stander

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Sep 3, 2010
 
Property Owner --- I respect your opinon and am glad to know we share some common ground. I apologize for anything that may have hurt you in anyway, it was not my intention.

It's just me---It is quite obvious you are or are related to a firefighter, maybe even the chief. What's interesting here is your facts and those of others do not match! The 'company' used has been used by many many other local people/events (Barnstormers and Long's Park to name a few)and these people were asked for references and opinons. If the fire chief did actually express his concerns then that is unfortunate that they were not heard BUT I'm guessing he did not!! Now he is saying that to try to cover himself from blame. There are always 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the TRUTH.
Let's put this to rest as it is evident no one on here has the whole TRUTH!!

Again to 'Property owner', I'm sorry and thank you for expressing your opinon and listen to others!
Property Owner

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#32
Sep 3, 2010
 
By Stander wrote:
Property Owner --- I respect your opinon and am glad to know we share some common ground. I apologize for anything that may have hurt you in anyway, it was not my intention.
It's just me---It is quite obvious you are or are related to a firefighter, maybe even the chief. What's interesting here is your facts and those of others do not match! The 'company' used has been used by many many other local people/events (Barnstormers and Long's Park to name a few)and these people were asked for references and opinons. If the fire chief did actually express his concerns then that is unfortunate that they were not heard BUT I'm guessing he did not!! Now he is saying that to try to cover himself from blame. There are always 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the TRUTH.
Let's put this to rest as it is evident no one on here has the whole TRUTH!!
Again to 'Property owner', I'm sorry and thank you for expressing your opinon and listen to others!
Really, no offense taken. Thank you! I am just passionate about saftey and children.
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#33
Oct 7, 2010
 
No, I'm not a firefighter or related to one. I just have a lot more facts about this than the average person.

As for the boy's haircut, as mentioned, it was cut last spring. Way before the incident. The pic shown was from a school dance that was held in Feb 2010. As for the boy's father he has never been in the picture so that has no revelance.

As for Burek, she is entitled to get her story heard. No the boro, committee, nor the fireworks company has contacted her, EVER. Maybe if the boro, committee, or company had contacted her to offer some kind of condolences or went with another capable company without an accident record, she would have just stayed home and dealt with it quietly. And if you do any research you will see she nor her family has ever been involed in any kind of law suit. And IF she ever said anything about money for her child I'm sure it was becasue he will not be able to work the average "teenager" type job (standing for long periods of time) for a very long time. So he wouldn't be able to earn the money for his education or a vehicle to get back and forth. Scheafer took that from him. And Burek was hurt too, not nearly as badly but he was but she was hurt along with her 5 yr old daughter. Also another person sitting near the boy has permenant hearing loss as does Burek, herself. Also Burek has NO insurance and bills that are in the 10's of thousands just for her, that's not including the boy's bills, or her daughter's.

This is not this company's first or even second incident. It is just one of a long line of problems Scheafer has caused. They need to be held accountable and change their way of setting their racks and keeping people far from the blast site. The 7 incidentS in Virginia in one night should have taught them that but they still do things the same old way. And why is it so many past employees of Scheaffer will not even go to displays they set? Why is the runing "joke" in the business... "If you work for Scheaffer, count your fingers when your done?" There is a reason for that. AND IN NO WAY WAS IT THIS FAMILY'S FAULT...
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#34
Mar 10, 2013
 
bunch of babies...all of you...time to take your medicine...how did you get by the guards

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