smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#41 Jun 14, 2012
QuiteCrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you're not talking to me. But here goes-
That article and the laws that are being passed tells me that our country is noticing and acknowledges a big section of the population that was a problem as a "we better fix it" 'cause they are still going to pour over the border. So since we are all in agreement that we are NOT going to close the border we have to take steps to transition these people into our society
I dont agree.

Our country should have learned from the 'black experience'.

Oh my...now I am a racist...nope...
just talking history here....

In the case of the black slaves, the whites really did do them an injustice.

They did not come to our soil free and willingly.

Centuries later we are still paying for this crime.
When will it be put to rest?

They have equal rights and are for decades now entitled to funding specifically reserved for minorities.

We did sooo soo much to makeup for the losses their ancestors exeprienced and still they cry inequality!

Its become a bottomless pit and the end result, a new generation of slaves with the Gov their master!

Thomas Jefferson wasnt so wrong afterall was he!

The illegals coming here today come of their own free will.
If they get abused by some employer who is paying them sub par wages, well hey...they have a choice- its called go home!
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#42 Jun 14, 2012
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
and if your child wanted to attend a school out of state where is your complaint over having to pay more?
who says your child is not admitted because of residency?
the resident of the state gets a lower cost.
most schools are glad to get out of state people to attend their schools.
No complaint if my child is a LEGAL resident of the US. But if he loses the opportunity, because of a limited number of openings, to an ILLEGAL resident, either in-state or out, I think I have the right to complain.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#43 Jun 14, 2012
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
Texas state law begs to differ.
if you want to pass a Federal law that invalidates Texas law feel free to go after that.
until then Texas has determined that illegals on the path to citizenship are residents.
the same would apply to Colorado if the state chooses to follow Texas's lead.
The subject is Colorado Universities, so I'm not sure what Texas law has to do with it. But if the Texas law says that illegals on the path to citizenship (whatever that is) are legal residents, and that is not in violation of federal law, it is what it is. I don't have to like it, and I don't live in Texas. I also don't have to like it if it's the law in Colorado, but that doesn't keep me from criticizing it and voicing my opinion. Should it?
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#44 Jun 14, 2012
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
and any illegal resident should not have to get the benefits of paying any taxes right?
when you deport him/her you will give that money back?
residency cuts both ways.
Only a Liberal would consider paying taxes a benefit!
I never said anything about deporting anybody, so I don't know where that's coming from. A person who paid taxes using a false Social Security number and then asking for a tax refund is a bit ludicrous, don't you think? They received the benefits of paying taxes when they lived here, they don't deserve additional benefits.
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#45 Jun 14, 2012
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
The subject is Colorado Universities, so I'm not sure what Texas law has to do with it. But if the Texas law says that illegals on the path to citizenship (whatever that is) are legal residents, and that is not in violation of federal law, it is what it is. I don't have to like it, and I don't live in Texas. I also don't have to like it if it's the law in Colorado, but that doesn't keep me from criticizing it and voicing my opinion. Should it?
IQ, google Obama Race To the Top, and DREAM ACT...

Hey I just got a call from Romneys camp. An invite to meet Mitt at some Machine shop in Weatherly ths saturday! LOL!
Made me chuckle.
I am almost tempted to attend (with my Ron Paul sign in my hand). Wonder if theyd let me in!??
The man I want to meet and give a big hug to is of course, Ron Paul.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#46 Jun 14, 2012
smiley wrote:
<quoted text>
IQ, google Obama Race To the Top, and DREAM ACT...
Hey I just got a call from Romneys camp. An invite to meet Mitt at some Machine shop in Weatherly ths saturday! LOL!
Made me chuckle.
I am almost tempted to attend (with my Ron Paul sign in my hand). Wonder if theyd let me in!??
The man I want to meet and give a big hug to is of course, Ron Paul.
Sounds more like the NIGHTMARE ACT and the "Race to the Bottom"!
Dr Freud

Quakertown, PA

#47 Jun 14, 2012
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Only a Liberal would consider paying taxes a benefit!
I never said anything about deporting anybody, so I don't know where that's coming from. A person who paid taxes using a false Social Security number and then asking for a tax refund is a bit ludicrous, don't you think? They received the benefits of paying taxes when they lived here, they don't deserve additional benefits.
That's why liberalism is a mental disorder!
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#48 Jun 14, 2012
Duh wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you read "under a visa permitting permanent residence or who has applied to or has a petition pending with the Immigration and Naturalization Service to
attain lawful status under federal immigration law?"
Texas law applies to people following the LAW. The Colorado issue is about ILLEGALs.
I agree with the other poster--you support anything that beyond belief!
Tell me, what planet are you from? WHAT are you?
and if you read the proposal in Colorado it follows the Texas lead.
with the same requirements.
from the article.

"To qualify for the discounted rate, illegal immigrants must have graduated from a Colorado high school after attending for at least three years and state that they are seeking or will seek legal status, provisions that were in this year's legislation."

so what does "and state that they are seeking or will seek legal status," mean?
so there is no difference from Texas law.
so you are wrong.
if anything Colorado would have more requirements than Texas.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#49 Jun 14, 2012
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
No complaint if my child is a LEGAL resident of the US. But if he loses the opportunity, because of a limited number of openings, to an ILLEGAL resident, either in-state or out, I think I have the right to complain.
i would agree if a quota system was used but that is not the case here.
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#50 Jun 14, 2012
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
The subject is Colorado Universities, so I'm not sure what Texas law has to do with it. But if the Texas law says that illegals on the path to citizenship (whatever that is) are legal residents, and that is not in violation of federal law, it is what it is. I don't have to like it, and I don't live in Texas. I also don't have to like it if it's the law in Colorado, but that doesn't keep me from criticizing it and voicing my opinion. Should it?
your opinion has much value.
you started by blaming liberals in Colorado for the problem you do not like.
yet when i mention Texas you waffle.
you object but you fail to mention the lack of liberal driving force in Texas.
yep them conservatives in Texas seem to have the same type program.
so how does that square with your attack on liberals?

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#51 Jun 15, 2012
smiley wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont agree.
Our country should have learned from the 'black experience'.
Oh my...now I am a racist...nope...
just talking history here....
In the case of the black slaves, the whites really did do them an injustice.
They did not come to our soil free and willingly.
Centuries later we are still paying for this crime.
When will it be put to rest?
They have equal rights and are for decades now entitled to funding specifically reserved for minorities.
We did sooo soo much to makeup for the losses their ancestors exeprienced and still they cry inequality!
Its become a bottomless pit and the end result, a new generation of slaves with the Gov their master!
Thomas Jefferson wasnt so wrong afterall was he!
The illegals coming here today come of their own free will.
If they get abused by some employer who is paying them sub par wages, well hey...they have a choice- its called go home!
The mistake there was not educating them or planning a transition. They just cut the black slave population straight into the wind and of course like in any abuse situation most stayed to what they knew and where they knew to be. The gov't did not stay interested in teaching them that's why you had many volunteers going south to teach writing and reading, math... and they suffered for it. The gov't started to do the right thing but failed to complete it the job and only ended up looking like they were just exploiting a new voting population. However one good turn deserves another it worked because for how long was that demographic solidly loyal to Democrats.(Please I don't want to get into the confusion of Repuplicans and Democratic-Republicans... I know that you know what they are). When the Reconstruction and de-militarization of the south ended it just filled it up with carpet baggers, owners that ripped off the slaves that had land buy selling over priced cottonseed to continue owning them, disgruntled confederates that later formed the KKK because they lost, they couldn't stand to see slaves were free (money walking around going where it wants and doing what it wants when it should be working for me) and now owned property and could vote and go to school and probably read better than Bobby Jo or Karen Ann.
Though you make the point that the blacks came her involuntarily unlike the illegal immigrants they bare one unshakeable truth: they are here.
Like I said before, the immigrants are NEVER going to stop coming here unless USA goes socialist or communist. The USA has a great number of immigrants pouring into from many countries. If they are going to stay they might as well become American and educated, if they are processed and in the system they pay taxes and contribute to US society. I think the Dream Act is an excellent solution.

Maybe I hold Americans to high, quarterbacks, maybe that was long ago, maybe they are candystripe girls and should feel threatened because now they have competetion from an illegal who comes here with nothing to roll the dice and see what he gets.

I think the gov't has given up on its own people. I think they think americans are spoiled and don't know how to put their back into it anymore. Be honest, do you really see the hardworking back breaking honest to goodness service and workers that you use to? Is it still customer service? or customer beware? Is it bag Ma'am paper or plastic? or bag your own and btw be your own cashier too?
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#52 Jun 15, 2012
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
your opinion has much value.
you started by blaming liberals in Colorado for the problem you do not like.
yet when i mention Texas you waffle.
you object but you fail to mention the lack of liberal driving force in Texas.
yep them conservatives in Texas seem to have the same type program.
so how does that square with your attack on liberals?
Tell the turth dbar!
Its being rammed down their throats becuz YOUR president threatened to cut funding...
google Race To The Top, and The Dream Act- 2 different searches...
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#53 Jun 15, 2012
Quite crazy,

I understand your thinking. However history will repeat the same ugly and expensive mistake.
Jefferson was right on the mark when he said that the slaves would never really be free unless returned to their homelands(something to that effect).

you can blame their struggles on external causes, however the present generation of minoirties is so far removed from the slave era.

Billions of dollars poured into various programs..
and the end result is???

You speak of transition, well hell that transition period was a century ago or more!
Today they seek to segragate themselves from the whites, they prefer to distingiuish themselves as African Americans, not simply Americans!

My point is, that if the illegals come here, expect to become a citizen and receiving the same treatment as any other american!

The same opportunities....

You folks act ss if these illegals are without a brain. Well theyre not. They are capable of learning without special treatment. They can overcome the language barrier just like the european immigrants did! And they can transition into our society without gov assistance or "white glove treatment"!

And quite crazy, this is exactly why americans are lazy today..........
pamper and rewards...to all even the underachievers!

You can thank the gov for taking control out of the hands of the parents, through enacting laws, such as child labor laws and push for gov control through various social services..like children and youth..

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#54 Jun 15, 2012
smiley wrote:
Quite crazy,
I understand your thinking. However history will repeat the same ugly and expensive mistake...
You said "Jefferson was right on the mark when he said that the slaves would never really be free unless returned to their homelands(something to that effect)."

--Even Jefferson understood that people want to be within a group community that accepts them.

"You speak of transition, well hell that transition period was a century ago or more!Today they seek to segragate themselves from the whites, they prefer to distingiuish themselves as African Americans, not simply Americans!"

--Today you still have these clumps, segregated groups, cultural little towns of different cultures throughout America: Minnestota I believe has the Norwegians, NYC tons of Little Italy, Chinatown (just like in San Francisco there is probably one in Chicago or Detroit even Boston and Philly), Germantown (there is one in NY my husband once bought me these awesome kinishes), Lancaster has tons of Amish and so does Gettysburg with their buggies and white bun caps,...just like when they first got. The Pilgrims were all Protestant, all one happy bunch of reigion agreement. But what happened? They persecuted became the persecutors and slowly plymouth divided into numerous charters that later became states BUT then it was religion. Seee, clumps..(maybe now you're beginning to see the logical behind my crazy grapes). Anyway, I know you know how the rest of us history follows.

My point is, that if the illegals come here, expect to become a citizen and receiving the same treatment as any other american!

--As a former illegal I can tell you that I didn't expect anything but got a lot of what I didn't want but it was cause I was illegal. However, I became an American citizen, I already had my green card, and my husband said why, why bother, AMerica isn't what it use to be. But I insisted that I felt this was my home but this is where I had gone to school and been so long. I also fell in love with the America I still read about in history books, not perfect but definately trying to do better, be better... I liked the Americans I read about. So I became American 2007 and then Obama ran 2008. I learned that if you read too much international newspapers you find out much people don't like America, as an illegal I wasn't liked, as an American, same thing, guess what? I had been American all along. I just needed stamp of approval.

--Special treatment. I guess your talking about ESL classes, it'll take about six years of ESL compared to one year-three of roughing it.

"You can thank the gov for taking control out of the hands of the parents, through enacting laws, such as child labor laws and push for gov control through various social services..like children and youth.."

--You're right until the child labor laws. You needed that children were suppose to be in school not factories getting their fingers cut off or beinging killed for crappy wages.(and no I'm not saying pay them more either) You consistently type "Gov't has to protect, protect protect..and free free" Well the child LABOR, and only labor do that just like the laws passed after the horrific fire in downtown at the womens factory that burnt down, they couldn't get out.

(PLEASE mysterious writer of anti-FDR and commie America, do not start, though I know it is you're ideal set up to talk about how the progressive era begn social movement and communism in the US...protecting people from their corrupt cheap bosses isn't a crime, they were women and children have a heart.)

The law is getting a bit out of hand with how we raise our kids this is true reminds me of Castro.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#55 Jun 15, 2012
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>
your opinion has much value.
you started by blaming liberals in Colorado for the problem you do not like.
yet when i mention Texas you waffle.
you object but you fail to mention the lack of liberal driving force in Texas.
yep them conservatives in Texas seem to have the same type program.
so how does that square with your attack on liberals?
Thanks for the compliment. I didn't "waffle" on Texas, I said "I don't have to like it" and that applied to both Texas and Colorado.
It doesn't matter to me whether the idea was from Conservatives or Liberals. It's wrong-headed, either way, although I think one would expect this kind of thinking to come more from a Liberal mindset than Conservative.

I don't have enough info on the Texas situation to know how many Liberals were involved in the decision,(there ARE Liberals in Texas) and it really doesn't matter. Stupidity is non-partisan. The difference between Texas and Colorado has nothing to do with who was "driving" the decision. It had to do with Texas law saying they were LEGAL residents, while Colorado waived that requirement.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#56 Jun 15, 2012
QuiteCrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
NO, it wouldn't. I'd be pissed off at my kid for not getting a better grade and researching what the school asked for obviously the other kid did do the extra leg work. He just happen to get the bonus of paying less! But for arguements sake let's say this is not a competetive school where it is first come first serve...type of deal. No, I still wouldn't be pissed off. Don't those schools accept everyone! But let's say both kids are aces, just one is illegal, probably had to have a part-time job at the planation picking tomatoes to help mom and dad pay for the trailer, and the other is legal living (for sake of fairness) working a part-time job flipping burgers to help out mom and dad pay for the trailer but out of state,(I don't think he can pay even if he got in, hid have to get a scholarship) and they both want to go to Tulane. Hmm... I better try again and make the American not live in a trailer, have a car... I mean raise how much money he makes.
Since when did the American line fall so low that they feel threaten at every pace by illegals. Seriously, it's frightening when you really really think about it. That's like the senior varsity football quarterback feeling threatened by the plump candy stripe girl at the hospital or the valedictorian being intimidated by the moron (IQ wise.) And no I don't mean because your illegal you are dumb and fat. I mean that you have so many disadvantages against you.
This is looking more and more like the middle class is shrinking alarmingly and falling into/with the lower class. This does not look well upon better inspection. Cr*p.
Interesting that you were the Original Poster decrying Affirmative Action and now seem to be on the other side of the argument when it comes to preferences for illegal immigrants.

In Your Own Words:

"If i were black and got a job before the guy infront of me, who did better overall, I'd feel insulted. I'd feel like, "So, you think I'm not good enough so you have to help me up? FU I'm black. I'm proud. I'm standing right here on my own. I don't need you to tell me that I can't make it on my own."

But that's if I was black. I'm Latina and I'd say the same thing."

Not sure how you reconcile that position...

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#57 Jun 18, 2012
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting that you were the Original Poster decrying Affirmative Action and now seem to be on the other side of the argument when it comes to preferences for illegal immigrants.
In Your Own Words:
"If i were black and got a job before the guy infront of me, who did better overall, I'd feel insulted. I'd feel like, "So, you think I'm not good enough so you have to help me up? FU I'm black. I'm proud. I'm standing right here on my own. I don't need you to tell me that I can't make it on my own."
But that's if I was black. I'm Latina and I'd say the same thing."
Not sure how you reconcile that position...
I can't believe I actually smiled when I read your response. Why? I haven't the faintest clue but onward.

"I've come to the conclusion that it isn't going to matter in the long run. America is going to take over the world CULTURALLY then we won't have to invade they'll marry us, like Texas." I wrote that too.

And that... "Since when did the American line fall so low that they feel threaten at every pace by illegals. Seriously, it's frightening when you really really think about it. That's like the senior varsity football quarterback feeling threatened by the plump candy stripe girl at the hospital or the valedictorian being intimidated by the moron (IQ wise.) And no I don't mean because your illegal you are dumb and fat. I mean that you have so many disadvantages against you.

This is looking more and more like the middle class is shrinking alarmingly and falling into/with the lower class. This does not look well upon better inspection. Cr*p."

Conclusion: As the discussion developed my thoughts on the matter may have differed but I feel not. The situation overall I think is about Democrats raking in more voters in that state. If it's not, then this country has a very intense problem with nmot illegal immigration but finianical cover-ups. The more they "seem" to spend the more they justify spending what they don't have which means our taxes go up or they introduce new taxes or fees or penalties.
Honestly, since you have my head under the barrel and not so much with this question but with another that you were so forward with and I smudged myself around it but you didn't press it. Was the fairness of it all, my kid gets in but the illegal has the spot (technically, he wouldn't be illegal according to the law he'd have a temporary legal resident status)but the fact remains,$$ the bennies are the difference. I'd have to say it is unfair. In spanish we have a saying that refers to this situation and it means "you can't change the HOUSE rules over a house guest." It makes more sense in spanish I think perhaps my translation isn't dead on.
This is America and Americans deserve the preferential treatment or the I go first. BTW you think that makes you feel uncomfortable, the Mex. illegals, what about the corportations that are pushing for a new immigration quick pass for foreign professionals in Math and Science because they say the USA doesn't have enough educated professionals in those fields that cam compete so they are going to bring them in from India and China.(Probably at a better price is what I think.)
First Corporations mess with our labor force and now they are going to mess with the professional career sector of America. Believe me, from my window, it doesn't look to good.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#58 Jun 18, 2012
Inquiring Mind is correct. It is unfair. Do I think this is going to go nationwide? NO way. Does it stink for students that want to go to Colorado? Yes. Maybe Colorado will get a "benefit" monetary somehow if they do this. Sometimes you have to turn the cookie over to see if there is anything stuck on it.

I still think American culture is stronger even if we get invaded by so many different people but Sun Tsu wrote that if your enemy cannot be defeated in battle due to superior strength then infiltration is necessary. Destruction from the inside out. Could that be our economy? Or did we do that ourselves?'Cause really, where is all the money?
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#59 Jun 18, 2012
"Crazy", not speaking for Inquiring mind but I believe he is refering to your comments on affirmative action. They conflict with your comments on the minorities receiving help to transition.
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#60 Jun 18, 2012
QuiteCrazy wrote:
Sometimes you have to turn the cookie over to see if there is anything stuck on it.
Oh Gawd! Thats is so funny!! LOL!

And...
Have your head 'under the barrel', hmmm not sure if ever heard it spoken that way...usually it goes...had me "over the barrel"..

Not picking on u, I think its cute....lol

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