Get ready the cliff is a coming

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#42 Nov 11, 2012
You're either stupid or marginally insane or your memory has been wiped out! Remember Bush I's words "Read my lips, no new taxes!" and his reneging on that promise "Because they wanted to get the deficit down"? You may not, but I do! Another false promise from the democrats. And Georgie took the bait, Got reminded of his pledge, and lost the election! All in one fell, swoop as they say!
One thing every Republican knows, or should know is democrats have absolutely Zero interest in deficit reduction. You do because the deficit and the debt scare the hell out of you and most people. However, Democrats could care less what they put off on our kids and grandkids backs. They demand their play money and thy demand it now! Who cares what you have to say or promise to get it! Grow up and read some late twentieth century history!
Regards, Terri
Just Saying wrote:
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Great you took a risk. Now pay your fair share in taxes so we can get the deficit under control.
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#43 Nov 11, 2012
Just Saying wrote:
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Great you took a risk. Now pay your fair share in taxes so we can get the deficit under control.
Maybe U should try carrying the weight of your own Fat AZZ!
Fair share! Just where do you liberals get off thinking that life is fair!???
Really I imagine your idea of fair is also for a beautiful woman to pluck out one of her eyes to give to an ugly woman~!

Problem in this country begins with parentsm school teachers teaching the children to "share". Its the start of brainwashing them into becoming mini-socialists

Its BS, you have to teach them to do in the competition!
To be tough...
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#44 Nov 11, 2012
smiley wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe U should try carrying the weight of your own Fat AZZ!
Fair share! Just where do you liberals get off thinking that life is fair!???
Really I imagine your idea of fair is also for a beautiful woman to pluck out one of her eyes to give to an ugly woman~!

Problem in this country begins with parentsm school teachers teaching the children to "share". Its the start of brainwashing them into becoming mini-socialists

Its BS, you have to teach them to do in the competition!
To be tough...
Right, Smiley. We just elected a president because he "tried his best". Results aren't as important as good intentions. Let's all have milk and cookies while we mortgage our children's future to China.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#45 Nov 12, 2012
Ahhhh..., A Kumbaya monment! But wouldn't Romney have have done better? After all, his best is better than Obama's
Regards, Terri
Inquiring Mind wrote:
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Right, Smiley. We just elected a president because he "tried his best". Results aren't as important as good intentions. Let's all have milk and cookies while we mortgage our children's future to China.
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#46 Nov 12, 2012
TerryE wrote:
Ahhhh..., A Kumbaya monment! But wouldn't Romney have have done better? After all, his best is better than Obama's
Regards, Terri
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Are you asking or telling?????

Romney would have served "them" to accomplish their goals. He just would have used different tactics.

We arent going to set our country free unless the masses wakeup and break free from the Duopoly!

NEVER! The elected officials dont run this country. Theyre puppets of the Rich and elite...the international corp and the creeps behind the federal res...

The man we elect doesnt run the show-they do!
Thye know that the mainstream will continue to pull those levers every election...
To ensure you do so they use fear tactics...
It works and has been for well over a century now!

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#47 Nov 12, 2012
Sadly, you are right! But it's hard to write about here. People will think you're nuts so I have to write on their level first. The stupid "Joe Sixpack" level, talking to people, who only know what they read in newspapers. Who cannot comprehend anything beyond the Republicrats and the Demicans. Who honesty believe there is a huge difference. The truth, in this case, has to be told of these things gently. Their first response will be,"I never read that in the Times!" The myth of a "free Press" is long and enduring! So hitting them between the eyes with the Bilderbergers and their plans will only get you labeled a nut.
Regards, Terri
smiley wrote:
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Are you asking or telling?????
Romney would have served "them" to accomplish their goals. He just would have used different tactics.
We arent going to set our country free unless the masses wakeup and break free from the Duopoly!
NEVER! The elected officials dont run this country. Theyre puppets of the Rich and elite...the international corp and the creeps behind the federal res...
The man we elect doesnt run the show-they do!
Thye know that the mainstream will continue to pull those levers every election...
To ensure you do so they use fear tactics...
It works and has been for well over a century now!
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#48 Nov 12, 2012
TerryE wrote:
Sadly, you are right! But it's hard to write about here. People will think you're nuts so I have to write on their level first. The stupid "Joe Sixpack" level, talking to people, who only know what they read in newspapers. Who cannot comprehend anything beyond the Republicrats and the Demicans. Who honesty believe there is a huge difference. The truth, in this case, has to be told of these things gently. Their first response will be,"I never read that in the Times!" The myth of a "free Press" is long and enduring! So hitting them between the eyes with the Bilderbergers and their plans will only get you labeled a nut.
Regards, Terri
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Terri,

Realize that joe six pack is a creation of the huge corp, rich elitists and sadly our gov who is controlled by them.

Joe has to go to work to feed his brood. He doesnt have much free time and what time he does have left he has to dedicate to his family or relaxation.

The welfare folks well obviously they arent going to jeporadize the teat that feeds them even though there are plenty of "victims" of that system too. Folks who woud want to move beyond the level of poverty but once the gov has control over your life, few folks can break free.

We must continue to get the truth out there. I have folks agreeing with me now that yrs ago they laughed at me and called me a CN.
So there is hope..just have to keep "feeding" them the truth..spoon by spoon..like little babies. LOL!
Pontiff Pilot

Quakertown, PA

#49 Nov 15, 2012
Duh wrote:
"it will come out of THEIR bonuses, not mine. It is a tax on PROFITS and most employee bonuses are paid on profits. Smaller profits = smaller bonuses"
What an absolutely STUPID statement for a so called business owner to make, you need to go get yourself an accountant!
Your employees bonuses should be deducted BEFORE a net profit is shown.
Duh!
I cannot help but wonder if someone's tax cuts are about to expire and he wants the employees to suffer, "like him".
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#50 Nov 15, 2012
Pontiff Pilot wrote:
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I cannot help but wonder if someone's tax cuts are about to expire and he wants the employees to suffer, "like him".
What makes you think I will be the one to suffer? The tax comes out of my business profits, not my salary. I can afford it because my business is doing quite well. Other small businesses may not fare so well and some are already announcing layoffs. My concern is for them and their employees because they will be hurt by the wrong-headed thinking of a president with zero business experience.

Like I said before, when employee bonuses are based on a percentage of net profits, bonuses automatically go down when net profits are reduced. If net profits go down to the point where there are no profits - guess what? NO BONUSES. Owner salaries and bennies are NOT AFFECTED unless it's their personal income. I guess you should have paid more attention in math class.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#51 Nov 15, 2012
He has a hard time getting his head around the fact that a CEO/owner and the company are two separate entities. That the CEO is paid a salary like the janitor. Their understanding of this is poor. The poor/lower class in this country have it too easy, there's no incentive to improve. Just sit back and complain and dream of a theoretical socialistic state where no one would have more than they do. And they can't understand why no one listens!
Regards, Terri
Inquiring Mind wrote:
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What makes you think I will be the one to suffer? The tax comes out of my business profits, not my salary. I can afford it because my business is doing quite well. Other small businesses may not fare so well and some are already announcing layoffs. My concern is for them and their employees because they will be hurt by the wrong-headed thinking of a president with zero business experience.
Like I said before, when employee bonuses are based on a percentage of net profits, bonuses automatically go down when net profits are reduced. If net profits go down to the point where there are no profits - guess what? NO BONUSES. Owner salaries and bennies are NOT AFFECTED unless it's their personal income. I guess you should have paid more attention in math class.
Liars

Quakertown, PA

#52 Nov 15, 2012
All this deficit talk is just a ruse to gut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. I can't believe Obama is going along with the robber barons. THERE IS NO FISCAL CLIFF. The more immediate problem is massive unemployment and underemployment. I trust saner heads will prevail in the Senate.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#53 Nov 15, 2012
OMG! I have never read anything so delusional as this! I wonder where the writer gets his information from. Since 1936, Social Security has expanded it's benefits base. Originally only for retirees, it soon included disabled, children, and foreigners,
Who never contributed a cent. Soon a tipping point was reached whereby more people were getting benefits than were contributing.
(Goll-lly what a surprise!) Add to that deficit, America's wars, foreign aid (Israel gets 4 billion yearly since 1948)it's paying about one half of the UN's cost, and the space race, Just to name a few. On the payee side, approximately 47% of this country, pay no taxes!(And it isn't the rich) They are the poor! Parasites, who contribute nothing and just take whatever they can. Yet you can either ignore or deftly explain away (With nonsense)these fact to come to your astounding conclusion that there is no problem. Things are just peachy keen! You're barking at the moon!
Regards, Terri
Liars wrote:
All this deficit talk is just a ruse to gut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. I can't believe Obama is going along with the robber barons. THERE IS NO FISCAL CLIFF. The more immediate problem is massive unemployment and underemployment. I trust saner heads will prevail in the Senate.
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#54 Nov 15, 2012
Liars wrote:
All this deficit talk is just a ruse to gut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. I can't believe Obama is going along with the robber barons. THERE IS NO FISCAL CLIFF. The more immediate problem is massive unemployment and underemployment. I trust saner heads will prevail in the Senate.
You can't believe obama is going along with the robber barons? The real president valerie jarrett is one of them. None of the entities you mention has any money anyway, they only have IOU's from the federal govt. They have their eyes on your IRA's and 401K's now. They will give you an annuity like S.S. and take your money soon. Wait and see, it is in the works!
nomorebho

Quakertown, PA

#55 Nov 16, 2012
Just read an article "Denny's owner plans ObamaCare surcharge". Well, here we go. I hope all small businesses follow and all you restaurant lovers that voted for Obama are happy with the extra cost. AND DON"T COMPLAIN!
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#56 Nov 17, 2012
TerryE wrote:
OMG! I have never read anything so delusional as this! I wonder where the writer gets his information from. Since 1936, Social Security has expanded it's benefits base. Originally only for retirees, it soon included disabled, children, and foreigners,
Who never contributed a cent. Soon a tipping point was reached whereby more people were getting benefits than were contributing.
(Goll-lly what a surprise!) Add to that deficit, America's wars, foreign aid (Israel gets 4 billion yearly since 1948)it's paying about one half of the UN's cost, and the space race, Just to name a few. On the payee side, approximately 47% of this country, pay no taxes!(And it isn't the rich) They are the poor! Parasites, who contribute nothing and just take whatever they can. Yet you can either ignore or deftly explain away (With nonsense)these fact to come to your astounding conclusion that there is no problem. Things are just peachy keen! You're barking at the moon!
Regards, Terri
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typical right wing garbage
you said"On the payee side, approximately 47% of this country, pay no taxes! "

totally untrue,they pay plenty of taxes.

and"pay no taxes!(And it isn't the rich) They are the poor! Parasites, who contribute nothing and just take whatever they can."

care to explain the millionaire "parasites" that pay no taxes?

http://www.businessinsider.com/7000-millionai...

"The chart below from the Tax Policy Center shows the distribution of federal income taxes paid by income level in 2011.
It contains a number of interesting factoids, including the following:
7,000 people made more than $1 million but paid no income tax.
22,000 people made between $500,000 and $1 million but paid no income tax.
81,000 people made between $200,000 and $500,000 but paid no income tax.
381,000 people made between $100,000 and $200,000 but paid no income tax.
So that's 491,000 Americans who made more than $100,000 a year who paid no income tax.(Clearly dependent victims who refuse to take responsibility for their lives!)"

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#57 Nov 17, 2012
Typical Left wing garbage! 47% pay no taxes, 47% are not independently wealthy. 47% at this point in their lives are parasites! A person may have accumulated enough capital to earn a million dollars in dividends and interest. Then he gives a substantial amount to charity and writes it off. Bingo! He pays no or very little taxes!
The Great Jurist, Judge Learned Hand, Once stated "There is nothing sinister in arranging ones affairs to pay the minimum tax possible!" That is all everyone does on varying scales of magnitude. Whether it is a person who comes to Pa to buy cigarettes or the person who crosses the Delaware to buy gas with a lower tax rate in NJ. No one calls these people names, but let a wealthy man find a provision in the law by which he can save some money and we pour out our hate on him. Tough!!!
Regards, Terri
dbar wrote:
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typical right wing garbage
you said"On the payee side, approximately 47% of this country, pay no taxes! "
totally untrue,they pay plenty of taxes.
and"pay no taxes!(And it isn't the rich) They are the poor! Parasites, who contribute nothing and just take whatever they can."
care to explain the millionaire "parasites" that pay no taxes?
http://www.businessinsider.com/7000-millionai...
"The chart below from the Tax Policy Center shows the distribution of federal income taxes paid by income level in 2011.
It contains a number of interesting factoids, including the following:
7,000 people made more than $1 million but paid no income tax.
22,000 people made between $500,000 and $1 million but paid no income tax.
81,000 people made between $200,000 and $500,000 but paid no income tax.
381,000 people made between $100,000 and $200,000 but paid no income tax.
So that's 491,000 Americans who made more than $100,000 a year who paid no income tax.(Clearly dependent victims who refuse to take responsibility for their lives!)"
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#58 Nov 18, 2012
TerryE wrote:
Typical Left wing garbage! 47% pay no taxes, 47% are not independently wealthy. 47% at this point in their lives are parasites! A person may have accumulated enough capital to earn a million dollars in dividends and interest. Then he gives a substantial amount to charity and writes it off. Bingo! He pays no or very little taxes!
The Great Jurist, Judge Learned Hand, Once stated "There is nothing sinister in arranging ones affairs to pay the minimum tax possible!" That is all everyone does on varying scales of magnitude. Whether it is a person who comes to Pa to buy cigarettes or the person who crosses the Delaware to buy gas with a lower tax rate in NJ. No one calls these people names, but let a wealthy man find a provision in the law by which he can save some money and we pour out our hate on him. Tough!!!
Regards, Terri
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aside from your unhinged rant.
I am not demonizing anyone----you are.
you call people who do not pay income taxes "parasites".
you then seem to rant(it is hard to tell exactly the point you wail about) that wealthy people who do not pay income taxes are not part of that non tax paying "parasite" crowd.

so are people who pay no income taxes "parasites"?

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#59 Nov 18, 2012
Some are, some aren't! If a person is independently wealthy and doesn't need your largesse, no one can honestly call them parasites. However, the vast majority of the 47% are life's failures who couldn't get along without sucking the lifeblood out of someone else and their efforts. Now, I suppose I'll get a visit from the Ghost of Christmas past, but so be it! How do you think I feel about watching my tax money go to support "Rashid's" drug habit? Or congressman Rufus Johnson' "junkets" to Jamaica, or worse, Michelle O's many vacations to Spain and elsewhere? You may be able to sweep all that under the rug of conciousness, but I can't!
They spent theirs and now they want mine!
Regards, Terri
dbar wrote:
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aside from your unhinged rant.
I am not demonizing anyone----you are.
you call people who do not pay income taxes "parasites".
you then seem to rant(it is hard to tell exactly the point you wail about) that wealthy people who do not pay income taxes are not part of that non tax paying "parasite" crowd.
so are people who pay no income taxes "parasites"?
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#60 Nov 18, 2012
TerryE wrote:
Some are, some aren't! If a person is independently wealthy and doesn't need your largesse, no one can honestly call them parasites. However, the vast majority of the 47% are life's failures who couldn't get along without sucking the lifeblood out of someone else and their efforts. Now, I suppose I'll get a visit from the Ghost of Christmas past, but so be it! How do you think I feel about watching my tax money go to support "Rashid's" drug habit? Or congressman Rufus Johnson' "junkets" to Jamaica, or worse, Michelle O's many vacations to Spain and elsewhere? You may be able to sweep all that under the rug of conciousness, but I can't!
They spent theirs and now they want mine!
Regards, Terri
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well for starters you are changing your tune.
first you said people who did not pay income taxes were parasites.
now wealthy people who pay no income taxes are not parasites.
those wealthy people are getting the benefits of the society in which they live without paying for that society.
yet you have no problem applauding those wealthy people who contribute nothing but take the benefits of the country they live in.
your logic is a little wonky.
matter of fact if you look into it you will find that the wealthy pay less of a percentage of their income in all taxes paid than the 47 percent you demonize.
you forget state taxes ,property taxes,local taxes, etc.
pick your favorite wealthy person and compare your total percentage of all taxes paid to what that person pays.

try

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm...

"The bottom fifth of taxpayers paid 12.3 percent of their incomes in state and local taxes in 2011, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP).[20] That was well above the 7.9 percent average rate that the top 1 percent of households paid "

and

"As the Tax Policy Center’s Howard Gleckman noted regarding a TPC estimate that almost half of Americans owed no federal income tax in 2009,“rarely has a bit of data been so misunderstood, or so misused.” Gleckman wrote:
Let me explain — repeat actually — what [the figure] means: About half of taxpayers paid no federal income tax last year. It does not mean they paid no tax at all. Many shelled out Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes.[….] Some paid property taxes and, it is fair to say, just about all of them paid sales taxes of one kind or another. So to say they pay no taxes is flat wrong.[14]
The reality is that the income tax is one of a number of types of taxes that individuals pay, both over the course of their lifetimes and in a given year, and it makes little sense to treat it as though it were the only tax that matters. Some 82 percent of working households pay more in payroll taxes than in federal income taxes.[15] In fact, low- and moderate-income people pay a much larger share of their incomes in federal payroll taxes than high-income people do: taxpayers in the bottom 20 percent of the income scale paid an average of 8.8 percent of their incomes in payroll taxes in 2007, compared to 1.6 percent of income for those in the top 1 percent of the income distribution (see Figure 2).[16]
Inquiring Mind

Philadelphia, PA

#61 Nov 18, 2012
dbar wrote:
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typical right wing garbage
you said"On the payee side, approximately 47% of this country, pay no taxes! "
totally untrue,they pay plenty of taxes.
and"pay no taxes!(And it isn't the rich) They are the poor! Parasites, who contribute nothing and just take whatever they can."
care to explain the millionaire "parasites" that pay no taxes?
http://www.businessinsider.com/7000-millionai...

d-no-income-tax-2012-9
"The chart below from the Tax Policy Center shows the distribution of federal income taxes paid by income level in 2011.
It contains a number of interesting factoids, including the following:
7,000 people made more than $1 million but paid no income tax.
22,000 people made between $500,000 and $1 million but paid no income tax.
81,000 people made between $200,000 and $500,000 but paid no income tax.
381,000 people made between $100,000 and $200,000 but paid no income tax.
So that's 491,000 Americans who made more than $100,000 a year who paid no income tax.(Clearly dependent victims who refuse to take responsibility for their lives!)"
Dbar, I need to point out your figures state "people" who didn't pay federal income tax who earned over $100,000 per year. You omitted companies like Obama's buddy's company GE that also didn't pay income taxes.

The vast majority of small businesses pay federal income tax on profits at the personal rate. I suspect the people cited have legal deductions or are not living on salary or business income. The Dem's proposal will raise taxes on small businesses that ARE ALREADY paying taxes on profits if their business income exceeds $250K. The added revenue obtained will be trivial, and the cost to the economy will be more than the benefit.

This emphasis on taxing the "rich" is just a diversion from facing the real solutions, such as a balanced budget, entitlement reform, and limits on deductions. Why does Obama keep talking about "billionaires " and private plane owners when he really means dry cleaners and restaurant owners?

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