resident

Quakertown, PA

#28 Oct 5, 2012
do it wrote:
<quoted text>
First you insult contractors then you tone down and say attending trade school is fine? cookoo cookoo
Lots of contracting companies make a lot more then just a "living wage" trust me. I guess you don't see the brand new trucks they drive. Go down to faulkner on 309 and see the prices on those bad boys talking in the 50k range. Then ask to see the tools these contractors own after you total all of that up it's worth more then your house most likely.
College guarantees one thing DEBT.
You say "some of us aren't cut out for that work" It's not that...it's some of us don't want to work. Everyone these days wants to see in a desk in a climate controlled office playing on a cell phone and surfing the internet. This is why this country is falling apart. These "parents" put it the kids mind that college will guarantee them a free ride in life which is 100% false. I see tons of people with college degrees working in fast food joints or retail.
I read the exchange and found nobody poking fun at you. You did mention that you make six-figures a year. Why are you complaining about low-income students receiving Pell Grants. Is this a case of "I've got mine, screw everyone else"?
Inquiring Mind

Cape May, NJ

#29 Oct 5, 2012
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>That's right be your own boss mowing lawns and shoveling snow! It's a growth industry. LOL. Is this what the American worker has been reduced to? We gotta take back the Power!
There are many, many options for people without a college degree to build a successful business by hard work and smarts. But to use your example of mowing lawns and shoveling snow, there are landscapers that do very well for themselves. You are also overlooking people who proceed to management by starting in entry level jobs and working their way up. That's the way it used to be done in this country. People didn't feel like the world owed them anything - they went out and earned it. Those that wanted jobs calling for a college degree found a way to pay for it by working part time.

That's not to say end student loan programs, but manage them better. As with any govt program, there is massive waste and fraud. In some cases, it's even a scam. Still, college-educated people are important to the progress of the country and we lag seriously behind now in science and math, even though massive amounts of money are thrown at the problem. More money is not the answer.
Inquiring Mind

Cape May, NJ

#30 Oct 5, 2012
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>"employee mentality"??? Please explain.
Smiley explained it quite well! Instead of seeing themselves as someone with the potential to be the boss, they see themselves as the "enemy" of the boss. It's a class division that keeps them from being upwardly mobile, and resentful of those who were able to make good decisions in working toward a goal and not expecting their employer or Nanny State to take care of them from cradle to grave.
Inquiring Mind

Cape May, NJ

#31 Oct 5, 2012
JJJ wrote:
<quoted text>Totally true, just look at how much our bills for everything run by private industry are dropping and how much those services are improving!
Many major universities have billions of dollars in their coffers, but tuition keeps going up. Many trade schools and most correspondence schools enroll students and help them get tuition assistance with no real value, just to stay on the govt gravy train. There is no oversight, and the burden is on the taxpayers and students. Again, the problem is the federal govt's generosity with other people's money.
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#32 Oct 6, 2012
Then there is the problem of the lack of learning in High School. Many of the colleges spend the first two years teaching math and reading that should have been learned in HS. I'm hearing that a lot of students in community college read at the 6th grade level!
Nope

Quakertown, PA

#33 Oct 6, 2012
do it wrote:
<quoted text>
First you insult contractors then you tone down and say attending trade school is fine? cookoo cookoo
Lots of contracting companies make a lot more then just a "living wage" trust me. I guess you don't see the brand new trucks they drive. Go down to faulkner on 309 and see the prices on those bad boys talking in the 50k range. Then ask to see the tools these contractors own after you total all of that up it's worth more then your house most likely.
College guarantees one thing DEBT.
You say "some of us aren't cut out for that work" It's not that...it's some of us don't want to work. Everyone these days wants to see in a desk in a climate controlled office playing on a cell phone and surfing the internet. This is why this country is falling apart. These "parents" put it the kids mind that college will guarantee them a free ride in life which is 100% false. I see tons of people with college degrees working in fast food joints or retail.
Great post! Just so you know, both "Joe," and "resident," are both the same liberal slug who only thinks he's cut out for politics, even though he's never won an election and isn't working, sitting in his dad's house all day long whining about it.

I have relatives in the trades; and both do VERY well for themselves. One of them put his 4 kids through college without any government help.
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#34 Oct 6, 2012
Jupiter 2 wrote:
You're spot on smiley. However, regulation in moderation can be a good thing, food quality, drug purity, etc... Can subsidizing education be considered regulation?
Of course, if u subsidize it comes with "strings attached".
Jupiter 2

Quakertown, PA

#35 Oct 6, 2012
Ah... yes! Subsidize the product means regulating the curriculum!!!
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#36 Oct 6, 2012
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Smiley explained it quite well! Instead of seeing themselves as someone with the potential to be the boss, they see themselves as the "enemy" of the boss. It's a class division that keeps them from being upwardly mobile, and resentful of those who were able to make good decisions in working toward a goal and not expecting their employer or Nanny State to take care of them from cradle to grave.
I have a friend who has worked for the gov for over 30 yrs as an engineer.
His father worked for PENNDOT, his sister works for county gov.

One day we had a heated discussion about sole proprietors. His attitude is that for the most part its the slackers who are self-employed, the party people, people who stay up all night drinking or doing drugs!

This came out of the mouth of an "educated person"! But then again he is a liberal whose entire family couldnt find or refused to find work outside the public sector.

That mindset is so prevalent amongst the liberals. Too many believe that sole proprietorship isnt "real employment".

Yes IQ its so true, too many employees consider the bossman as the enemy.
They want what the boss has but they dont want to work for it.

smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#37 Oct 6, 2012
Jupiter 2 wrote:
Ah... yes! Subsidize the product means regulating the curriculum!!!
I sum it up as "he who pays the way has the say".
Nope

Quakertown, PA

#38 Oct 6, 2012
I just saw this:

TEN POOREST CITIES

City, State,% of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI - 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY - 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH - 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH - 27.0%
5. Miami, FL - 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO - 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX - 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI - 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA - 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ - 24.2%
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000 population) with the
highest poverty rate have in common?
Detroit, MI (1st) hasn't elected a Republican since 1961.
Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark , NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still POOR!
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's
initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they
could and should do for themselves.

Einstein once said:
'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and
over again and expecting different results.'

And the Dems have the nerve to say Republicans hate the poor! Yeah, right!
Inquiring Mind

Cape May, NJ

#39 Oct 6, 2012
Nope wrote:
I just saw this:
TEN POOREST CITIES
City, State,% of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI - 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY - 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH - 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH - 27.0%
5. Miami, FL - 26.9%
6. St. Louis, MO - 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX - 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI - 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA - 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ - 24.2%
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000 population) with the
highest poverty rate have in common?
Detroit, MI (1st) hasn't elected a Republican since 1961.
Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark , NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.
It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still POOR!
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's
initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they
could and should do for themselves.
Einstein once said:
'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and
over again and expecting different results.'
And the Dems have the nerve to say Republicans hate the poor! Yeah, right!
Very telling - I also want to add that in the swing states like Ohio where Obama is polling slightly ahead of Romney because unemployment in those states is down compared to the rest of the country, they elected REPUBLICAN governors in 2008 to turn things around. Romney has to get the message out that the economy is doing better in their states not because of anything Obama has done, but IN SPITE of his policies.
wow

Quakertown, PA

#40 Oct 6, 2012
I read these posts and thank god you people are in the minority. I'm grateful the votes out of Philly and Pittsburgh will carry the state for Obama. who in their right mind opposes pell grants??!! I have to go door-knock. Later!
Jupiter 2

Quakertown, PA

#41 Oct 6, 2012
Typical Obamist... Living off the backs of others...
Nope

Quakertown, PA

#42 Oct 6, 2012
wow wrote:
I read these posts and thank god you people are in the minority. I'm grateful the votes out of Philly and Pittsburgh will carry the state for Obama. who in their right mind opposes pell grants??!! I have to go door-knock. Later!
Hey Kline, why not just suck his schwantz and get it over with, you piece of lib scum.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#43 Oct 6, 2012
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
A contractor. Unless you're affiliated with a union you have no job security and benefits. Why would any young person opt for that over college or technical school?
Because I don't like to be a part of the masses. Especially the masses of lumpen proletariate. I'm a HS dropout, self trained Tool and Die maker later a mechanical modelmaker. When my back gave out, I got my Real Estate License and from that became a property manager. However, I'm also a welder, car and truck mechanic, marine mechanic, Hard rock miner, carpenter, pilot, landlord and investor. Most with no formal training. I just didn't like school and or most people.
Regards, Terri
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#44 Oct 6, 2012
wow wrote:
I read these posts and thank god you people are in the minority. I'm grateful the votes out of Philly and Pittsburgh will carry the state for Obama. who in their right mind opposes pell grants??!! I have to go door-knock. Later!
I can tell u who is happy for a Pell Grant. Some chick I know who was suppose to use her grant to pay for online college.
after the first few semesters she quits, but came out ahead with a brand new laptop, and stuck US for a few shackles.
Other than the laptop she doesnt own a pot to p*ss in. They havent gone after her yet for the money!

If the money had to go somewhere I would prefer it go towards tech/vocational school training.

Not everyone wants to go to college.
Unlike yrs ago, many of the students who struggled in school were able to find work in a factory and some decent paying ones at that.
Or they would prepare the students for a trade.

Instead whats hapening with these students??? Really u are not gonna tell me that if factory work was readily available that it would be a waste of brain matter for todays graduates.

Hell half of them cant count change. Take away the electronic cash registers and like obama without his teleprompter they would be screwed~!
hah

Quakertown, PA

#45 Oct 6, 2012
smiley wrote:
<quoted text>
I can tell u who is happy for a Pell Grant. Some chick I know who was suppose to use her grant to pay for online college.
after the first few semesters she quits, but came out ahead with a brand new laptop, and stuck US for a few shackles.
Other than the laptop she doesnt own a pot to p*ss in. They havent gone after her yet for the money!
If the money had to go somewhere I would prefer it go towards tech/vocational school training.
Not everyone wants to go to college.
Unlike yrs ago, many of the students who struggled in school were able to find work in a factory and some decent paying ones at that.
Or they would prepare the students for a trade.
Instead whats hapening with these students??? Really u are not gonna tell me that if factory work was readily available that it would be a waste of brain matter for todays graduates.
Hell half of them cant count change. Take away the electronic cash registers and like obama without his teleprompter they would be screwed~!
You nailed it!

And the bit about not being able to count change. I was in Kmart one time and the bill came to something like $7.19, so I gave the girl $10.25 and she only put in 10.00 as the total and could figure out that I gave her the quarter because I didn't want a pocketful of change. She literally got out a piece of paper and had to write down a simple subtraction problem that should have been done in her head in under 5 seconds. She was about 20 or so. Completely clueless.

These kids are brainwashed to think college, college, college, and have no idea what working is all about. You can still make a very good living working with your hands, and heaven forbid, getting a little dirty once in a while!
Inquiring Mind

Cape May, NJ

#46 Oct 6, 2012
hah wrote:
<quoted text>You nailed it!
And the bit about not being able to count change. I was in Kmart one time and the bill came to something like $7.19, so I gave the girl $10.25 and she only put in 10.00 as the total and could figure out that I gave her the quarter because I didn't want a pocketful of change. She literally got out a piece of paper and had to write down a simple subtraction problem that should have been done in her head in under 5 seconds. She was about 20 or so. Completely clueless.
These kids are brainwashed to think college, college, college, and have no idea what working is all about. You can still make a very good living working with your hands, and heaven forbid, getting a little dirty once in a while!
It's really disgraceful. We have teachers now who can't spell and won't correct the spelling or grammar of their students. Proofreading has disappeared in newspapers and TV. One recent example of "dumbing down" I witnessed was in ordering something on-line and giving the expiration date of my credit card as "September 2015" instead of "09/15." She actually asked me to restate it as a number!
smiley

Saint Clair, PA

#47 Oct 7, 2012
hah wrote:
<quoted text>You nailed it!
And the bit about not being able to count change. I was in Kmart one time and the bill came to something like $7.19, so I gave the girl $10.25 and she only put in 10.00 as the total and could figure out that I gave her the quarter because I didn't want a pocketful of change. She literally got out a piece of paper and had to write down a simple subtraction problem that should have been done in her head in under 5 seconds. She was about 20 or so. Completely clueless.
These kids are brainwashed to think college, college, college, and have no idea what working is all about. You can still make a very good living working with your hands, and heaven forbid, getting a little dirty once in a while!
I love to pull the old change game on them.
However if you do it with larger bills they really get nuts. They look at you as if your trying to pull of a fast one.

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