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Do you believe Global Warming fears are well founded?

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Sneakers

Perkasie, PA

#1 Feb 11, 2013
Michael Mann: Storms Nemo and Sandy Linked to Climate Change

If you've been worrying that recent storms are linked to climate change, you're right on the mark, according to climate experts such as Michael Mann.

Mann explains that we're seeing bigger storms with more snow because of global warming, and compared Nemo and Superstorm Sandy "to a basketball slam-dunk with a lower net." "If you take the basketball court and raise it a foot, you're going to see more slam-dunks," said Mann to HuffPo's Lynne Peeple's.
Michael Oppenheimer, a climate expert at Princeton, agrees. "Storms like this tend to be heavier than they used to be," he told HuffPo. "That's a fact."

In weather terms, that's because warmer temperatures and a moister atmosphere make snowstorms heavier. What we've seen recently is a trend for storms that occur at just-below-freezing temperatures, which means bigger snowfall. "In the past, temperatures at this time of year would have been a lot below freezing," making it too cold for heavy snowfall, said Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado. "Sea surface temperatures are about two degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they were before 1980, raising the potential for a big snow by about 10 percent," according to HuffPo.
Joe

Fairfax, VA

#2 Feb 11, 2013
Most people who live within the civilized world can agree that global warming is real. Unfortunately there are revisionists in Congress who prevent the U.S. taking a leading role to fight global warming. It is a problem where the U.N. needs to have authority to enact universal laws. But once again we have the Congressional problem to prevent that from happening.
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#3 Feb 11, 2013
Joe wrote:
Most people who live within the civilized world can agree that global warming is real. Unfortunately there are revisionists in Congress who prevent the U.S. taking a leading role to fight global warming. It is a problem where the U.N. needs to have authority to enact universal laws. But once again we have the Congressional problem to prevent that from happening.
There may be global warming, but it is not caused by man. There is nothing that we can do about it. Trying is only a major scam to get the money away from rich countries and give it to the UN to waste. We should not pay to rebuild anything damaged by flooding. If one wants to live in flood prone areas, one should take the responsibility to repair the damage.
Warming

Broomall, PA

#4 Feb 11, 2013
Joe wrote:
Most people who live within the civilized world can agree that global warming is real. Unfortunately there are revisionists in Congress who prevent the U.S. taking a leading role to fight global warming. It is a problem where the U.N. needs to have authority to enact universal laws. But once again we have the Congressional problem to prevent that from happening.
Of course it's real. The question is how much, if any, is due to man's involvement.

The Medieval Warming Period occurred ca. 800 - 1300AD which made it possible to grow vineyards in far northern Europe and the Vikings were able to farm Greenland, the same place that is currently under an ice sheet.

Following the MWP came the Little Ice Age which ended around the end of the 19th century. We are now in another warming period again.

If you want a good laugh, watch this video. It gave me a chuckle: http://thinkingrightblog.com/reporter-serious...

Then you have Christie Hefner blaming Chicago gun violence on climate change! http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/30/center-for-...

Ah, the absurdity factor reigns supreme.

As for the UN, we just gave in to their Agenda 21 last year. Enough is enough. GW is just a ruse for government globalization. Ain't happening, son.
Joe

Broomall, PA

#5 Feb 11, 2013
Jersey Duke wrote:
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There may be global warming, but it is not caused by man. There is nothing that we can do about it. Trying is only a major scam to get the money away from rich countries and give it to the UN to waste. We should not pay to rebuild anything damaged by flooding. If one wants to live in flood prone areas, one should take the responsibility to repair the damage.
I'm not surprised that you defend Professor Mann -- a useful tool for industries and revisionists who constantly lobby for less environmental regulations.

Well, the professor is under investigation at Penn State. This tool secured $6M in federal grants last year to peddle his ideological research in which he will be happy to discuss with you for $10K. That's right, Mann's speaking fee is $10K. I guess it pays to be a corporate tool.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#6 Feb 11, 2013
Sneakers wrote:
Michael Mann: Storms Nemo and Sandy Linked to Climate Change
If you've been worrying that recent storms are linked to climate change, you're right on the mark, according to climate experts such as Michael Mann.
Mann explains that we're seeing bigger storms with more snow because of global warming, and compared Nemo and Superstorm Sandy "to a basketball slam-dunk with a lower net." "If you take the basketball court and raise it a foot, you're going to see more slam-dunks," said Mann to HuffPo's Lynne Peeple's.
Michael Oppenheimer, a climate expert at Princeton, agrees. "Storms like this tend to be heavier than they used to be," he told HuffPo. "That's a fact."
In weather terms, that's because warmer temperatures and a moister atmosphere make snowstorms heavier. What we've seen recently is a trend for storms that occur at just-below-freezing temperatures, which means bigger snowfall. "In the past, temperatures at this time of year would have been a lot below freezing," making it too cold for heavy snowfall, said Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado. "Sea surface temperatures are about two degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they were before 1980, raising the potential for a big snow by about 10 percent," according to HuffPo.
Climate change may be real or not, but there is no evidence that it is manmade or that we can do anything about it. What is proven is that Michael Mann is a fraud and a disgrace to climate research, much like Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" hoax.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
QuiteCrazy

Broomall, PA

#7 Feb 11, 2013
It's a natural cycle in our planet like the dishwasher, cycles. Freak out when someone says the currents in the oceans have stopped churning.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#8 Feb 11, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Climate change may be real or not, but there is no evidence that it is manmade or that we can do anything about it. What is proven is that Michael Mann is a fraud and a disgrace to climate research, much like Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" hoax.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
try the links your author supplies

for example

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...

"Although most studies of climate change effects on corals have focused on temperature-induced coral bleaching in tropical areas, poleward range shifts and/or expansions may also occur in temperate areas. We show the first large-scale evidence of the poleward range expansion of modern corals, based on 80 years of national records from the temperate areas of Japan, where century-long measurements of in situ sea-surface temperatures have shown statistically significant rises."

in other words there is a rise in temperature.areas are dying out with new areas developing towards the poles.
areas that were once too cold.

or polar bears

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html...

"Another six areas are listed as having stable counts, three experienced reduced numbers and two have seen their bears increase."

so your author forgot the count going down in more areas.

and

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/...

""But for temperate glaciers there is ample evidence that they are shrinking, in part because of warming from greenhouse gases."

his last claim about Pompeii is so twisted as to be laughable.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#9 Feb 11, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Climate change may be real or not, but there is no evidence that it is manmade or that we can do anything about it. What is proven is that Michael Mann is a fraud and a disgrace to climate research, much like Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" hoax.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
and the author of your article works at

http://www.polluterwatch.org/joseph-bast

Heartland Institute

"the Heartland Institute, a Chicago-based think tank that prioritizes campaigns to discredit climate change science, most notably by organizing a series of conferences that reject global warming science."

" Heartland Institute with the late David Padden, a political ally of the Koch Brothers."

hardly an unbiased author by any means.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#10 Feb 11, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Climate change may be real or not, but there is no evidence that it is manmade or that we can do anything about it. What is proven is that Michael Mann is a fraud and a disgrace to climate research, much like Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" hoax.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
added bonus on the heartland institute

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...

"The Heartland Institute's Environmental "expert," James M. Taylor, is a lawyer based in Florida. Despite presenting a veneer of scientific expertise in their Environmental advocacy, the Heartland lacks any scientists trained to understand climate issues"
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#11 Feb 11, 2013
dbar wrote:
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added bonus on the heartland institute
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...
"The Heartland Institute's Environmental "expert," James M. Taylor, is a lawyer based in Florida. Despite presenting a veneer of scientific expertise in their Environmental advocacy, the Heartland lacks any scientists trained to understand climate issues"
Your efforts at discrediting that author are irrelevant. I wasn't holding him up to be an authority, only to point out the admitted fraudster that is Michael Mann. I don't deny climate change, but there have been many instances where CO2 levels have been much higher through history before the Industrial Revolution even existed. Average global temps have also been higher. Arctic ice is shrinking, but Antarctic ice is growing. Change happens, and just a few years ago these same scientists were warning of a "new ice age coming." You can choose whom you want to believe. I'd like to see more evidence that it's manmade and we can do something about it before I agree to just roll over for the Left-wingnut wackos, and UN world-order nitwits.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#12 Feb 11, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
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Your efforts at discrediting that author are irrelevant. I wasn't holding him up to be an authority, only to point out the admitted fraudster that is Michael Mann. I don't deny climate change, but there have been many instances where CO2 levels have been much higher through history before the Industrial Revolution even existed. Average global temps have also been higher. Arctic ice is shrinking, but Antarctic ice is growing. Change happens, and just a few years ago these same scientists were warning of a "new ice age coming." You can choose whom you want to believe. I'd like to see more evidence that it's manmade and we can do something about it before I agree to just roll over for the Left-wingnut wackos, and UN world-order nitwits.
and you used your author(biased source) to discredit Mann.
so your author has no real credibility and you use him to shoot down another.
hardly a fair endeavor.
based on what i see as a right wing hack author you have been hoodwinked by a astroturf front organization for the energy industries.
by all means remain skeptical if you wish.
just try to remember the backers of such authors,right or left.
myself the stunning bias shown by your author means his message is suspect.
BTW if i can show his bias so easily,his selective "cherry picking" .how hard would it be for others?
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#13 Feb 11, 2013
dbar wrote:
<quoted text>and you used your author(biased source) to discredit Mann.
so your author has no real credibility and you use him to shoot down another.
hardly a fair endeavor.
based on what i see as a right wing hack author you have been hoodwinked by a astroturf front organization for the energy industries.
by all means remain skeptical if you wish.
just try to remember the backers of such authors,right or left.
myself the stunning bias shown by your author means his message is suspect.
BTW if i can show his bias so easily,his selective "cherry picking" .how hard would it be for others?
That source was the first one up, but the controversy on Mann's "hockey stick graphs" are well known. Do you think I'd find an objective opinion from a Left-wing hack site?

I'm not a climate scientist and neither are you. But there is not 100% agreement from scientists on whether climate change and exteme weather are a result of human activity any more than cow farts, volcanoes, or ocean burps. Your focus on a cited source as possibly -or definitely- biased doesn't dilute the controversy of the "research" conclusions.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/prof...

If you claim this is settled science based on Mann's assumptions, you'd be wrong. Show real evidence that global warming is manmade and you'd have something. If Mann, Gore, and the other alarmists had something, they wouldn't have to lie and misrepresent their data, would they?
a question

Broomall, PA

#14 Feb 11, 2013
All I see is that a few people want to cash in on the globalwarming scare and will do anything to support their agenda, including a globalized world government under the UN if need be just to get rich on the paranoia of the Chicken Little's of the world.

If there wasn't an underlying agenda of greed from some and income distribution by others, then this would be much more credible.
Inquiring Mind

Quakertown, PA

#15 Feb 11, 2013
a question wrote:
All I see is that a few people want to cash in on the globalwarming scare and will do anything to support their agenda, including a globalized world government under the UN if need be just to get rich on the paranoia of the Chicken Little's of the world.

If there wasn't an underlying agenda of greed from some and income distribution by others, then this would be much more credible.
Excellent points! Proposals that exclude certain "developing" countries from pacts and mandating "compensation" for them from the West show the money motive without any real effect. Global summits attended by UN and politicos in private jets and limos reveal the hypocrisy. Not to mention research grants that keep university profs employed, any who dare to question findings get blackballed or ridiculed.
Jersey Duke

Quakertown, PA

#16 Feb 11, 2013
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not surprised that you defend Professor Mann -- a useful tool for industries and revisionists who constantly lobby for less environmental regulations.
Well, the professor is under investigation at Penn State. This tool secured $6M in federal grants last year to peddle his ideological research in which he will be happy to discuss with you for $10K. That's right, Mann's speaking fee is $10K. I guess it pays to be a corporate tool.
I never heard of professor mann before this forum. The Duke did his own climate studies in grad school many years ago.
dbar

Quakertown, PA

#17 Feb 12, 2013
Inquiring Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
That source was the first one up, but the controversy on Mann's "hockey stick graphs" are well known. Do you think I'd find an objective opinion from a Left-wing hack site?
I'm not a climate scientist and neither are you. But there is not 100% agreement from scientists on whether climate change and exteme weather are a result of human activity any more than cow farts, volcanoes, or ocean burps. Your focus on a cited source as possibly -or definitely- biased doesn't dilute the controversy of the "research" conclusions.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/prof...
If you claim this is settled science based on Mann's assumptions, you'd be wrong. Show real evidence that global warming is manmade and you'd have something. If Mann, Gore, and the other alarmists had something, they wouldn't have to lie and misrepresent their data, would they?
well you certainly did not find an objective opinion on Forbes.
Mann at least works in the field whereas your author does not by any means approach a scientific opinion.
curious how the deniers of global warming started out.
first they denied global warning occurred at all.
now the shill is that mankind has nothing to do with it.
reminds me of the tobacco companies and their games.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/february7/...

as to 100 percent proof of manmade causes that just shows the extreme lengths that deniers will go to.
just for kicks let's say the global warming is 40 percent caused by man's activities.
does this mean we just ignore that amount?

how you solve the problem is a different story.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#18 Feb 12, 2013
Governments across the globe are very much into control of their populations. None seem immune from these impulses. It's part of the mental condition that impels them to get into government in the first place. The myths and legends that created global warming and then blame it all on humanity is just chock full of opportunities for more controls and fees. It is a fraud! This was proven a couple of years ago when someone hacked several hundred of their Emails and found them complaining that nature just wasn't living up to their doomsday expectations. Tough, that!
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
Sneakers

Perkasie, PA

#19 Feb 12, 2013
QuiteCrazy wrote:
It's a natural cycle in our planet like the dishwasher, cycles. Freak out when someone says the currents in the oceans have stopped churning.
The natural cycle happens roughly every 100,000 years when the Earth’s orbital shifts and we get more sunlight. Also, those changes always happened over a period of several centuries. The last natural warming was about 1,000 years ago, and this warming we have now is much more rapid.
Inquiring Mind

North Wales, PA

#20 Feb 12, 2013
dbar wrote:
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well you certainly did not find an objective opinion on Forbes.
Mann at least works in the field whereas your author does not by any means approach a scientific opinion.
curious how the deniers of global warming started out.
first they denied global warning occurred at all.
now the shill is that mankind has nothing to do with it.
reminds me of the tobacco companies and their games.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/february7/...
as to 100 percent proof of manmade causes that just shows the extreme lengths that deniers will go to.
just for kicks let's say the global warming is 40 percent caused by man's activities.
does this mean we just ignore that amount?
how you solve the problem is a different story.
How about instead of "just for kicks", we come up with evidence? Or is it just another example of how politicians deal with problems or perceived problems -- pass laws and throw tons of other peoples' money at it without any accountability or proof of efficacy. We've seen it with education, healthcare, and any number of govt boondoggles - the assault weapons ban being the latest.

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