Hard-hitting debate draws enthusiasti...

Hard-hitting debate draws enthusiastic crowd

There are 25 comments on the Bennington Banner story from Sep 23, 2010, titled Hard-hitting debate draws enthusiastic crowd. In it, Bennington Banner reports that:

The two major party candidates for governor agreed on little during a well-attended debate Thursday night, but saved their hardest blows for the discussion about a proposed plan to curb costs within the Department of Corrections.

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The Doobster

Harwich, MA

#1 Sep 24, 2010
Yep, let's force those Vermont girls molested by their father to have his baby. That's the kind of governor Vermont really needs.
Voter

Holyoke, MA

#2 Sep 24, 2010
Also watch out for Bennington County State Senate Candidate Patricia Blair. The majority if not all of her special interest financial backing comes from prolife and anti gay marriage factions. These two are all about taking away the rights and choices of individuals. I got to give him credit though, at least Dubie isn't a wuss and is up front about it. It will hurt him but he's taking it like a man. Blair, well that speaks for itself.
Rand

Lincolnville, ME

#3 Sep 24, 2010
As always, Peter speaks with double-ended tongue. He claims to respect "local control" of schools, yet is the single biggest reason that all education funding is administered by the state, that most of it is from property taxes, that the money from property taxes is now used for every shortfall that Montpelier creates, and that working class Vermonters are losing their farms, homes and forests to well-moneyed people from outside. Wait till Peter gets his single-payer health coverage rammed through. No working class Vermonter will be able to own anything but a trailer or a rented slum.
nana says

White River Junction, VT

#4 Sep 24, 2010
Shulmin - key word people - he wants to help "the most Vulnerable" - well that should be a warning! Liberal - Liberal - Liberal - and with him wanting to let out "non Violent" offenders. Think about the pleas given to people by DAs to plead down cases. He is the cause of our state education problems. Who in the world is he kidding? He has been in the State Senate for EVER! The major problem here is that people have to know the truth about Shumlin. What he wanted to pass - what got passed and how he has hurt the economy for our state. Who are his friends in the State?
For everyone who wants to cry about the abortion issue - that's dead. Our State Supreme Court will not let anything go backwards on that issue either. So please - stop trying to scare other people into the thought that if a REP get's into office we will not be able to kill our babies because we are too stupid to take birth control or the morning after pill or better yet use rubbers. From the amount of kids I see walking with their own babies so proudly in Bennington County alone - just proves to me that the younger generation doesn't belive in abortion anyway! If we could stop the welfare being provided to these kids and let the parents support thier kids and grandkids - maybe we would have a balanced budget - or better yet - keep the criminals in jail?
done time in vermont

Queensbury, NY

#5 Sep 24, 2010
im in favor of releasing non violent offenders like me
Susan Wells

Bennington, VT

#6 Sep 24, 2010
If it was not for the plea bargain system I just might accept Shumlin's idea. However, with plea bargains, one can get a serious felony charge reduced greatly, so that one does not appear to be and/or classified as "violent". For a true non violent offender I have no problem letting them out as long as there is some form of accountibility for the crime that they committed.

This is what bothers me. The price of reduced taxes verses the chance a violent person may get out early, because of a plea bargain reduced sentence, is just not worth it.
Davida

Stowe, VT

#7 Sep 24, 2010
Voter wrote:
Also watch out for Bennington County State Senate Candidate Patricia Blair. The majority if not all of her special interest financial backing comes from prolife and anti gay marriage factions. These two are all about taking away the rights and choices of individuals. I got to give him credit though, at least Dubie isn't a wuss and is up front about it. It will hurt him but he's taking it like a man. Blair, well that speaks for itself.
I am very happy that Patricia Blair puts children first. Children don't have a choice when they are fed confusing propaganda. Adults make all kinds of choices about having sex, but they do not have a right to feed their philosophies into the minds of young children.
funnygirl

Holyoke, MA

#8 Sep 24, 2010
When is Blair vs Sears? Now that will be a good one!

So when is Patricia Blair going to take a public stand on all of this? Everyone else has so what are you waiting for? So what you lose votes, you are not going to win anyways. It's time you stop playing the voters Blair and speak up and take it like a man.

“Proud American and Vermonter”

Since: Feb 09

Bennington

#9 Sep 24, 2010
Rand wrote:
As always, Peter speaks with double-ended tongue. He claims to respect "local control" of schools, yet is the single biggest reason that all education funding is administered by the state, that most of it is from property taxes, that the money from property taxes is now used for every shortfall that Montpelier creates, and that working class Vermonters are losing their farms, homes and forests to well-moneyed people from outside. Wait till Peter gets his single-payer health coverage rammed through. No working class Vermonter will be able to own anything but a trailer or a rented slum.
I don't know about you, but I can remember a time when we had single-payer heath-care. It worked fine then and can again.
juliewhit

South Pomfret, VT

#10 Sep 24, 2010
I was at the debate. Mr. Shumlin clearly mislead the entire crowd, including his diehard followers. in the past four years, Mr. Shumlin and his democrat senators have held the most power in Vermont's goverment. Mr. Shumlin had the power to do just about anything he wanted - including raising taxes - which he did. I did the research on the democrat's power in the legislature - I urge everyone to do the same. Just some thoughts on the debate: 1) Lt Gov Dubie has visited Bennington, its residents and businesses more in the past 2 months than Mr. Shumlin has in the past 4 years 2) Lt Gov Dubie saved more jobs in Bennington than Mr. Shumlin - he didn't save any. in fact, Mr. Shumlin pushed to shut down Energizer. Mr. Shumlin's numbers don't add up and he's getting support form government employees to whom he's promised pay raises; 3) Lt Gov Dubie has helped more people in Bennington, but Mr. Shumlin calls himself a southern vermonter. I heard a person say that a person with Mr. Shumlin's campaign gave him a question to ask. That is really slimy for Mr.Shumlin to plant questions in the crowd. Lastly, I never see Mr. Shumlin at memorials for fallen soldiers or helping the troops. Does he forget that Vermont has over 1000 soildiers serving in Afghanistan?
stanleystanley

Dover, NH

#11 Sep 24, 2010
The Doobster wrote:
Yep, let's force those Vermont girls molested by their father to have his baby. That's the kind of governor Vermont really needs.
No lets make inhumans like you watch ultra sound video of the tiny helpless human babies with their little toes and fingers before they get aborted.
stanleystanley

Dover, NH

#12 Sep 24, 2010
Susan Wells wrote:
If it was not for the plea bargain system I just might accept Shumlin's idea. However, with plea bargains, one can get a serious felony charge reduced greatly, so that one does not appear to be and/or classified as "violent". For a true non violent offender I have no problem letting them out as long as there is some form of accountibility for the crime that they committed.
This is what bothers me. The price of reduced taxes verses the chance a violent person may get out early, because of a plea bargain reduced sentence, is just not worth it.
The truth is you are hitting on something important. Shumlin is trying to change a system he has no education about, no experience in, and which has been created by lawyers, judges and probation and corrections people who know about a thousand times as much as he does about it. Typical liberal. Taking pot shots from the outside for politcal purposes only. If he gets elected then he will get an education about it and find out the present system has evolved to what it is because it is the best system.

Since: Sep 10

Burlington, VT

#13 Sep 24, 2010
Peter Shumlin said he is pro-choice, and would not place restrictions on abortions in Vermont. During the debate in Bennington, with a smile on his face, Shumlin said neither he nor his opponent can bear children, and reduced a womanís concerns of pregnancy and the life of her child to joking material. Peter Shumlin said he wants to be Vermontís leader, but on the basic issue of life he preferred to play the role of a jokester.

We will vote for Brian Dubie to be Vermontís next Governor. He knows life isnít a joking matter. His agenda is to grow jobs in Vermont. He wants to make sure those arrested for child pornography arenít rewarded with early release back into our neighborhoods. He looks at Vermontís economy with practicality, recognizing ďitís not compassionate to have spending programs that you canít honor going into the future.Ē We have to learn to live within our means and make the hard choices to get through these difficult days.

We're voting for Brian Dubie for Vermontís Governor. We want Vermont to have a future.

“Proud American and Vermonter”

Since: Feb 09

Bennington

#14 Sep 24, 2010
Why don't some of you try reading the mans plan. Shumlin does not say he's going to giving anyone an early release.

http://www.shumlinforgovernor.com/files/2010/... Beginning on page 7

"As Governor,I will integrate these non-≠‐violent offenders back into society and ensure that the community mental health, substance abuse, life skill training, affordable housing through VHCB and adult education services are in place to allow
these Vermonters to become successful and productive members of society."
Vemonter

Holyoke, MA

#15 Sep 25, 2010
Did Republican Brian Dubie laugh right along with everyone else? Yes!

The GOP doesn't want voters to know the facts thats why they side step it with these made up fairytales.

I'm so sick of hearing this old washed up ANG pilot Dubie Do talk about being a commercial pilot like it's some big deal that will help him be our next governor. Oh I can land a 747 in fog and this and that, big deal!
Grim peeper

Plainville, CT

#16 Sep 25, 2010
The corrections budget reduction will not result in a tax break for Vermonters. Shumlin simply wants to redirect that tax revenue not return it to us. He's a liberal Dem, they don't lower taxes, they raise them. The head of VT Corrections said that there is already a program in place that is doing what Shumlin is proposing. It takes a case by case approach so as to make sure the inmate(s) are cleared and prepared for a return to society thus easing the burden on us the taxpayers. This is nothing more than an election run up ploy on the part of Shumlin. Even Dick Sears said Shumlin's DOC plan isn't feasible. Abortion is not an issue in this election period! Repubs tend to be Pro Life and Dems tend to be Pro Choice, nuff said on that. its not like Dubie is running around saying that he will end abortion in VT. In fact he never brought it up. I don't necessarily agree with Dubie on abortion however I do appreciate him standing by his pricipals. All in all I wasn't overly impressed by either one of them. I will also say that the lack of a PA at the debate was really amateurish.

Since: Sep 10

Burlington, VT

#17 Sep 26, 2010
Grim peeper wrote:
The corrections budget reduction will not result in a tax break for Vermonters. Shumlin simply wants to redirect that tax revenue not return it to us. He's a liberal Dem, they don't lower taxes, they raise them. The head of VT Corrections said that there is already a program in place that is doing what Shumlin is proposing. It takes a case by case approach so as to make sure the inmate(s) are cleared and prepared for a return to society thus easing the burden on us the taxpayers. This is nothing more than an election run up ploy on the part of Shumlin. Even Dick Sears said Shumlin's DOC plan isn't feasible. Abortion is not an issue in this election period! Repubs tend to be Pro Life and Dems tend to be Pro Choice, nuff said on that. its not like Dubie is running around saying that he will end abortion in VT. In fact he never brought it up. I don't necessarily agree with Dubie on abortion however I do appreciate him standing by his pricipals. All in all I wasn't overly impressed by either one of them. I will also say that the lack of a PA at the debate was really amateurish.
Agree........about the lack of a PA system. If any candidate truly knows Vermont, it's that we're (unfortunately) a very aging population. So many folks came out to HEAR and those who prepared the debate didn't help either candidate in this regard.

As to the issue of ABORTION.....that was brought up by a panelist. Like you said, Dubie was true to who he is. From my position in the room at the debate I could see Shumlin's body language...he'd scan the crowd after comments were made to see at what level our emotions were. On the abortion question, it was Shumlin who forced abortion to the governor's desk as he directly accosted Dubie with a "what would you do" question" and then Shumlin turned to the crowd to proclaim that he'd NEVER sign legislation to remove a woman't right to choose. It was the crowds turn then, to applaud *loudly* and to *cheer*. My heart wept in that moment, for all unborn children and for those, who with the enthusiasm of that applaud and cheering are ripped from the womb.

As to CORRECTIONS BUDGET....didn't Shumlin say he wanted to take the savings from reductionshe proposes from that budget and put it into early childhood daycare? Where are the savings to Vermonters? Looks like another "take it from one pocket and put it in another".
Kim

Bennington, VT

#18 Sep 26, 2010
Grim peeper wrote:
The corrections budget reduction will not result in a tax break for Vermonters.
regardless of party affiliation if ANY one thinks our taxes are going down we are bigger fools than the ones trying to convince us

“Proud American and Vermonter”

Since: Feb 09

Bennington

#19 Sep 26, 2010
John_Laura wrote:
<quoted text>As to CORRECTIONS BUDGET....didn't Shumlin say he wanted to take the savings from reductionshe proposes from that budget and put it into early childhood daycare? Where are the savings to Vermonters? Looks like another "take it from one pocket and put it in another".
I think many people are missing the point on this whole thing. The goal of this is to put an end to the revolving door. The more people that can be helped once they get out of jail to the point where they do not want to go back in will be good for us all.

And the pre-k education program might be not be needed if more parents would just wake up and do their job. Part of a parents job from day is to prepare your children for life. And many parents today look at school and home as two different things.
Woody

Holyoke, MA

#20 Sep 26, 2010
Oh they get it Scott and for them thats the problem. They know that Shumlin is the one with the answers and that Dubie can not and will not be the next gov.

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