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McKinney officials to explore restaurant smoking restrictions

There are 24 comments on the Dallas Morning News story from Aug 19, 2006, titled McKinney officials to explore restaurant smoking restrictions. In it, Dallas Morning News reports that:

Smoking in restaurants in this city soon may be snuffed out. City officials have begun researching options for how to restrict smoking in McKinney eateries.

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Debra

Fort Worth, TX

#1 Aug 22, 2006
Smokers do not HAVE to smoke and will not stop eating out if they are not allowed to smoke in a restaurant. However, people with allergies or children do not need to be exposed to the bad habits of others, and often WILL NOT eat where someone is smoking. The smell of cigarette smoke in a restaurant is not very appetizing. We go to restaurants to eat-not to smoke.
Educated Opinion

Fort Smith, AR

#2 Aug 22, 2006
Actually smokers will stop eating out.
I have seen several restaurants put up awnings and build patios because they were losing too much business.

I do have to agree with you about people with allergies and children.

But then it shouldn't be up to the non-smoker whether a person can allow it inside their own business.

If the non-smoker doesn't want to eat in a smoking establishment they would have the same choice as a smoker at a non-smoking establishment.

It should work both ways, not just a one way street.

By the way, what if the person with allergies or their child with a sniffle sneezes or coughs into the air in the non-smoking establishment?

That would be imposing germs upon the other people there that could cause illness and disease, and encroach on their right to clean air.
Educated Opinion

Fort Smith, AR

#3 Aug 22, 2006
As a side note to the last post.
By the way, one of the quickest ways to drive me and a lot of other people I know out of a restaurant or department store or any other public place where we are trying to enjoy ourselves is to hear a child whining and crying.
As a parent of teenagers I know from experience that there is only one way to keep from ruining other peoples enjoyment.
Please be considerate and take your child outside
trying to deal with it inside makes it even worse and it makes you just as much of an annoyance as they are.
McK Res

Chicago, IL

#4 Aug 23, 2006
One of the reasons for the population growth in McKinney is because they have now bowed down to the Liberial - Politically Correct Laws about "You can't smoke here." Leave the smokers alone. There are tons of places to eat and the non-smokers know where they can go to eat with worrying about smokers.
Lynda

Scottsdale, AZ

#5 Aug 23, 2006
McK Res wrote:
Leave the smokers alone. There are tons of places to eat and the non-smokers know where they can go to eat with worrying about smokers.
That appears to be the problem though, they don't want to think about which restaurants are smoke free and make their choice from those places, they want them all. The reasonable solution is to allow a small percentage of bars and restaurants to allow smoking, but the anti's don't like that as it allows free choice for all, they want to control all.
Debra

Fort Worth, TX

#6 Aug 23, 2006
Allergies and smoking have to do with breathing-not sneezing or coughing necessarily. Cigarette smoke causes many people to become congested. This is not just about children. Many adults are allergic to cigarette smoke. Children making noise is not harmful to your health. I do not even have small children. It is now well known that smoking is bad for anyones' health, so if smokers are not considerate enough to use manners and not smoke then there has to be laws to protect those who do not want to breath smoke. It is a offensive behavior. Why is it so difficult to be considerate to others? Is snoking neccessary to enjoy a meal?
Lynda

United States

#7 Aug 23, 2006
Debra wrote:
Allergies and smoking have to do with breathing-not sneezing or coughing necessarily. Cigarette smoke causes many people to become congested. This is not just about children. Many adults are allergic to cigarette smoke. Children making noise is not harmful to your health. I do not even have small children. It is now well known that smoking is bad for anyones' health, so if smokers are not considerate enough to use manners and not smoke then there has to be laws to protect those who do not want to breath smoke. It is a offensive behavior. Why is it so difficult to be considerate to others? Is snoking neccessary to enjoy a meal?
And many more adults are equally allergic to perfumes, yet I don't hear for any cries of banning perfumes so those with allergies don't suffer.

What is well known are the exaggerations being passed and accepted at gospel regarding cigarette smoke.

And yes, a yelling child, or any loud noise could be detrimental to someone enjoying a peaceful meal when said child starts screaming and the diners blood pressure rises because the parents aren't dealing with the child.

Why do you need every single restaurant to be smoke free? Why can't smokers have a few places where they can enjoy their smoke (like you might your dessert), after their meal. For that matter, why sell alcohol in a restaurant, do you really need that alcoholic beverage to enjoy a meal? See where all this can go, someone somewhere will find a reason and find a way to link it to health in order to push their personal preference on all.

I'm all for reasonable restrictions, but total bans are just the first step towards prohibition. And it is not stopping with smoking. At what point will you think they've gone too far? When it affects something you do enjoy?

We don't have to agree with each other, we do need to be able to see the whole picture though and leave our emotions and preferences in the closet when we do.

The bible saying about doing unto others as you will them do unto, is about to take root and none of you care to admit that. And that's the real shame in all of this.
Educated Opinion

Fort Smith, AR

#8 Aug 23, 2006
Lynda wrote:
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And it is not stopping with smoking. At what point will you think they've gone too far? When it affects something you do enjoy?
I have to totally agree with this.

I understand that a lot of peoples response to these bans isn't just about smoking.

Wait until the government comes and takes your property and tells you it is for the betterment of the community.

Imminent domain my rear end.

I don't think some corporation building condominiums or a Department Store is for the betterment of the community.

I think it is for the betterment of the corporation and the government.

But they have done it. Wait until it happens to you.

All because "We the People" have let them pass too many ridiculous laws that benifit big business and the government, while taking rights away from individuals and families.
Jeffrey Mckinney TX

Peru, IL

#9 Aug 23, 2006
Why do the smokers always go to the crazy analogies Purfume? kids? what a crock of crap hat's what you say when you have no logical reason for maintaining a stupid, ancient expensive and killing habit

bottom line is smokers can enjoy themselves in a non smoking restaurant, people who work in them and those of us who frequent them cannot.

smoking stinks, ruins our food and our lungs, if you can figure out how to swallow the smoke and not exhale cool otherwise you have no right to pass your crap on to me

Otherwise if I feel that taking a giant dump on your table makes me enjoy my meal better then perhaps we can leagalize that

By the way every place in the world that has stopped smoking in public places has seen an increase not decrease in business.

And are you seriously suggesting that as a smoker you won't go out beause you can't smoke ? seriously grow up... then again maybe we just want you at home anyway if you cannot control your urge to kill yourself for 90 minutes
Educated Opinion

Fort Smith, AR

#10 Aug 23, 2006
Go ahead and take a dump on your table in the non-smoking restaurant if you like it won't bother me.

If you are so high and mighty about not smelling smoke then demand that your government go after the drug companies that are making and selling the crap and while they are at it go after themselves about all of the money that they are collecting off of it also.
Just quit bitching to me about something that is perfectly legal.

If it is their legal right to sell it in any convienence store that any child can walk into then it is legal to use it.

Until they get that straight don't whine to me about your rights.

As far as perfume and kids, they are just as much of an annoyance and the perfume is just as much a health hazard to me as the cigarette smoke is to you.

If it wern't then it wouldn't cause me to have a severe headache as soon as it hits my nostrils.

If the smoke is that bad then at least you can see it in the air enough to avoid it to some extent.
I don't have that luxury with perfume.
Debra

Fort Worth, TX

#11 Aug 24, 2006
There has not been a lot of talk about perfume and the dangers of breathing it second hand. Nor does perfume permeate through a restaurant or cover up the smell of food. Perfume at least has a pleasant odor.

I'm not sure where you are getting the information.. "many more adults are allergic to perfume."

Smokers choose to smoke around others.Parents of small children do not intentionally cause their children to cry.

You cannot compare smoking to small children, although it is childish to think others should have to put up with it, not to mention rude and selfish!

Smokers need to face it, SMOKING is UNHEALTHY, IT SMELLS DISGUSTING - especially when you are trying to eat, and it is being prohibited more and more. This is not going to change...

I really cannot see smokers staying at home every day, cooking, and doing dishes ,if they are not allowed to smoke in restaurants.

That truly is an inconvenience.

As for myself and other non smokers- WE HAVE LEFT RESTARAUNTS THAT ALLOW SMOKING ....
Lynda

United States

#12 Aug 24, 2006
Debra wrote:
I really cannot see smokers staying at home every day, cooking, and doing dishes ,if they are not allowed to smoke in restaurants. That truly is an inconvenience.
You can't see that? Sure we can, AND do. However we don't have to cook everyday, either, there is such a thing as "take out".
Debra wrote:
As for myself and other non smokers- WE HAVE LEFT RESTARAUNTS THAT ALLOW SMOKING ....
Good, so why can't you just leave them alone then? Why still insist on a total ban? Have all the smoke free places you want, just leave a few alone. Smokers just want a few places where they too can socialize AND smoke while out for an evening. WHAT is so horrid about that?

And yes, very many people are allergic to scents, I run into them more and more every day. And if you think that isn't a health issue to someone with a severe sensitivity to scents, then you should ask the allergy specialist about the kinds of problems scents cause their patients. And yes, there are specialists just for allergies and the biggest causes of allergies are dust, mold, mildew, soot and scents. My mother suffers from a scent sensitivity and it causes headaches resembling migraines for her along with itchy eyes and sore throat. And her sensititivity isn't severe.
Educated Opinion

Fort Smith, AR

#13 Aug 24, 2006
Debra wrote:
There has not been a lot of talk about perfume and the dangers of breathing it second hand. Nor does perfume permeate through a restaurant or cover up the smell of food. Perfume at least has a pleasant odor.

Smokers choose to smoke around others.Parents of small children do not intentionally cause their children to cry.
You cannot compare smoking to small children, although it is childish to think others should have to put up with it, not to mention rude and selfish!
Smokers need to face it, SMOKING is UNHEALTHY, IT SMELLS DISGUSTING - especially when you are trying to eat, and it is being prohibited more and more. This is not going to change...
I really cannot see smokers staying at home every day, cooking, and doing dishes ,if they are not allowed to smoke in restaurants.
That truly is an inconvenience.
As for myself and other non smokers- WE HAVE LEFT RESTARAUNTS THAT ALLOW SMOKING ....
Maybe to you it doesn't permeate through a restaurant and cover up the smell of food.
I can smell a womans perfume usually when she walks through the front door, and that is if I am sitting near the back of the restaurant in the smoking section with a cigarette burning.

As far as perfume having a pleasant odor. That is your opinion. I have to disagree.

A clean person who exercises good personal hygiene and doesn't splash on a bunch of perfume or cologne has a more pleasant smell.
That is because their odor isn't anounced as soon as they enter the building.

And by the way if the restaurants you are referring to allowed smoking. WHY DID YOU EVER GO IN THEM TO BEGIN WITH?

I have left restaurants that didn't allow smoking before I ever went through the door.

I can compare anything that another person does around me in a public place that causes stress, anguish, irritation, allergies, the most infantescimal chance of bodily injury, or any other possible harm to me or my family to your arguments here.

It is all based on what "could possibly" happen.

Second hand smoke "could possibly" increase the chance of you getting lung cancer.

A kid screaming at the table a few feet away "could possibly" cause me enough stress that I have a heart attack.

A womans perfume "could possibly" cause me such an allergy headache that I have to be rushed to the hospital.

You or someone else "could possibly" get distracted while trying to talk on your cell phone and drive at the same time and cause an accident that "could possibly" kill my whole family in one split second.
McK Res

Chicago, IL

#14 Aug 25, 2006
Wow Debra,

Allergies and smoking have to do with breathing-not sneezing or coughing necessarily.

I thought that people with allergies do sneeze and smokers do cough!!!! Do not understand your comment.....

Cigarette smoke causes many people to become congested.

Yes - even smokers.

This is not just about children. Many adults are allergic to cigarette smoke. Children making noise is not harmful to your health. I do not even have small children.

Debra - maybe you should get some small children - then you will understand. They get on my nerves. Fortunately - I can go out and have a cigarette to get away from the stressful noise.

It is now well known that smoking is bad for anyones' health, so if smokers are not considerate enough to use manners and not smoke then there has to be laws to protect those who do not want to breath smoke. It is a offensive behavior. Why is it so difficult to be considerate to others?

Good question - why can't non-smokers be considerate of smokers? It has been known forever that smoking is bad for your health - so what! It is not like we don't know.

Is snoking neccessary to enjoy a meal?

Snoking may or may not be meccessary, but to some of us - smoking is!!!!

Have a smoke free day!
Brooke

United States

#15 Aug 29, 2006
I'm so pissed that I can't eat in my favorite resturaunts because of people smoking around me! I'm 5 months pregnant(second hand smoke passes through the placenta)for those of you who did not know that! So I've had to walk out of many resturaunts for trying to protect my unborn child. Bottom line it's dangerous for your health to eat out. Now do you think that's fair for me? Eating and smoking at the same time is disquisting! Smoke when you leave the resturaunt since you need it afterwards!(ever thought of that)!
Lynda

Scottsdale, AZ

#16 Aug 29, 2006
Brooke wrote:
I'm 5 months pregnant(second hand smoke passes through the placenta)for those of you who did not know that!
Now that's something new I never heard before. Amazing how diluted second hand smoke can pass through the placenta, but direct smoke inhaled from a cigarette doesn't seem to..........hmmmmm interesting indeed. I'll need to look into this further.

WHERE do people come up with this stuff?
METRO GAL

Commerce, GA

#17 Aug 30, 2006
Debra wrote:
people with allergies or children do not need to be exposed to the bad habits of others, and often WILL NOT eat where someone is smoking.
OK, with your generalization, perfume wrecks havoc on some people with allergies also. What are you going to do, ask that person to leave, because your having an allergic reaction?
METRO GAL

Commerce, GA

#18 Aug 30, 2006
Brooke wrote:
I'm so pissed that I can't eat in my favorite resturaunts because of people smoking around me! I'm 5 months pregnant(second hand smoke passes through the placenta)for those of you who did not know that! So I've had to walk out of many resturaunts for trying to protect my unborn child. Bottom line it's dangerous for your health to eat out. Now do you think that's fair for me? Eating and smoking at the same time is disquisting! Smoke when you leave the resturaunt since you need it afterwards!(ever thought of that)!
Wow, maybe you should NOT have had children, if you are that afraid! LOL, this has got to be THE MOST laughable post yet! LMAO
Oh, and BTW, what's in that food you eat? Hmmmmm
LMAO again!
McK Res

Chicago, IL

#19 Sep 5, 2006
WOW,

Cigarettes are bad for you. Kids are bad for you. Food is bad for you. The air is bad for you. The water is bad for you.

So who do we make the adjustments for - the minority or the majority. If it is the majority, we would not be smoking, not having kids, eating only health food, breathing through a filter and drinking only EXPENSIVE bottled water.$4.25 at the theater. Eight times the price of gasoline.

You live your life and I will live mine.

Smoke - had the kids - eat anything I want - breath the air and drink water out of the faucet.

LIVE, LAUGH and LOVE

What are we doing here?
Lynda

United States

#20 Sep 5, 2006
Jeffrey Mckinney TX wrote:
Why do the smokers always go to the crazy analogies Purfume? kids?
Probably because we are able to see through the lies and see the big picture. Think the analogies are stupid and crazy?

Here's just a sample for you that I came across over the weekend. OH, and there was an article I saw somewhere a couple of months ago about kids in restaurants, and op-ed piece, I'm just sorry I didn't save it now.

Ban perfumes:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/toron ...

Ban baggy pants:
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/...

And this is what happens when you open the door and blindly accept what the media tells you without checking the facts yourself. Smokers have been saying this is not a health issue, and it isn't anymore.

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