Layoffs hit suburban cops

Layoffs hit suburban cops

There are 17 comments on the Chicago Sun-Times story from Nov 13, 2010, titled Layoffs hit suburban cops. In it, Chicago Sun-Times reports that:

William Caponigro has joined the growing ranks of laid-off suburban police officers as his department became one of the latest to cut public safety to the bone to cope with the recession.

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Interesting

Palos Heights, IL

#1 Nov 14, 2010
and six of these towns are all home rule yet that couldnt save them...
ActiveResident

Park Forest, IL

#2 Nov 14, 2010
Don't know the circumstances in this case, but often the police and fire unions are insisting on some pretty sweet raises. I know in my town, they told the police union that if they gave in to the raises that they would have to lay someone off. The union would rather everyone got raises and one guy got sacrificed, and we are one guy short.
resident

Oak Lawn, IL

#3 Nov 14, 2010
Interesting wrote:
and six of these towns are all home rule yet that couldnt save them...
Which towns?
donna

United States

#4 Nov 14, 2010
ActiveResident wrote:
Don't know the circumstances in this case, but often the police and fire unions are insisting on some pretty sweet raises. I know in my town, they told the police union that if they gave in to the raises that they would have to lay someone off. The union would rather everyone got raises and one guy got sacrificed, and we are one guy short.
greed
Interesting

Palos Heights, IL

#5 Nov 14, 2010
resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Which towns?
Barrington, Calumet City, Downers Grove, Highwood, Hoffman Estates, Mundelien, and Naperville

I not positive if Barrington is a Home Rule town but the rest listed are
Nervous citizen

United States

#6 Nov 14, 2010
This makes me nervous. Cut costs elsewhere. If someone was breaking into my house while I was home, I'd want the cops there NOW. I don't want the police department understaffed and so busy that they can't get to me.

With the economy being bad and people losing jobs left and right, crime is going to be on the rise. Bad time to layoff cops.
Interesting

Palos Heights, IL

#7 Nov 15, 2010
Yes crime will rise! Lay offs and foreclosures... Guys I am sorry part of the biggest problem is the Unions. NOW before I get blasted for being anti union please hear me out.

Unions were created to protect the hard working people who would bust their a** to provide for their families. Many people would nearly kill themselves everyday and their employers would bleed them for every last once.. once injured throw them out like yesterdays trash. Unions were started to stop this abuse and to make sure the little man was taken care of like he took care of the company he worked for. But like all good things.... power greed politics and deseption seeped in.

Their are still many hard working men and woman out there in the unions who are passionate and believe in the union and what it truly stands for. Just like people in our country who LOVE America and what it stands for... But their are rats who abuse power... in both areas.. Some workers are lazy.. they come and don't know what they are doing don't work hard and just collect their pay check. They abuse the system to protect their lazy rears. This not only cost the employers, their fellow workers but the entire country!! Raise our costs effects the ecconomy. We have all seen it where you see all these people standing around at their jobs doing jack nothing.. and maybe a few hard workers with ehtics running around like mad people!!

Then their is the union politician who rallys the employess blindly into voting for certain people to save their jobs... raising their pay you deserve it!!! Stop and think about it... some of the raises these union people get are taken up by the union itself! Then unions are making money hand over fist. Making these people strike during bad ecconomy times is insane right now! They don't care they get their quartlery dues and percentages of every check. They are still paid.. you may be layed off for the rest of the year though. Perhaps excepting the pay you have and guarentee work would be a logical option rather then no work for an entire year so that you may earn 15 cents more an hour.. Perhaps.. Then the honest buisness owners not all are evil capitalist who want to screw everyone over.. some are as honest as you and me and just want to make a living... but have a HUGE overhead and their own family to feed. They put their own sweat and tears into it everyday.. they never call in sick.. they don'ty sleep... The unions don't just take from the paychecks and percentages.. quartly dues.. no they want some of your employers money too.

Unions are driving up incredible cost and not being entirely honest with their people. Its time to take a look at their role in this. Its not completely their fault and they do serve a good purpose. But don't think they are not crooked as many of our politicians.. Go to a union meeting and watch them mingle watch them have a beer with the guy they are negotiating your life with!!

Keep your eyes and mind open don't limit yourself to one side or the other. You don't have to declair yourself Republican Democrate.. For or against unions.. home rule etc... you just need to look research and pay attention.. form your own opions from what you see and not what your told. Stand up and fight for whats right. Not about greed or what you can get out of it
Revelations

United States

#8 Nov 16, 2010
Here we go more layoffs means MORE CRIMES MORE MURDERS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN AND ADULTS!! THIS HAS GOT TO STOP WHAT IS CHICAGO COMING TO... people put your focus on God, read your bibles, and pray. WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS- READ REVELATIONS......
I know whats going on

Plainfield, IL

#9 Nov 16, 2010
Interesting wrote:
Yes crime will rise! Lay offs and foreclosures... Guys I am sorry part of the biggest problem is the Unions. NOW before I get blasted for being anti union please hear me out.
Unions were created to protect the hard working people who would bust their a** to provide for their families. Many people would nearly kill themselves everyday and their employers would bleed them for every last once.. once injured throw them out like yesterdays trash. Unions were started to stop this abuse and to make sure the little man was taken care of like he took care of the company he worked for. But like all good things.... power greed politics and deseption seeped in.
Their are still many hard working men and woman out there in the unions who are passionate and believe in the union and what it truly stands for. Just like people in our country who LOVE America and what it stands for... But their are rats who abuse power... in both areas.. Some workers are lazy.. they come and don't know what they are doing don't work hard and just collect their pay check. They abuse the system to protect their lazy rears. This not only cost the employers, their fellow workers but the entire country!! Raise our costs effects the ecconomy. We have all seen it where you see all these people standing around at their jobs doing jack nothing.. and maybe a few hard workers with ehtics running around like mad people!!
Then their is the union politician who rallys the employess blindly into voting for certain people to save their jobs... raising their pay you deserve it!!! Stop and think about it... some of the raises these union people get are taken up by the union itself! Then unions are making money hand over fist. Making these people strike during bad ecconomy times is insane right now! They don't care they get their quartlery dues and percentages of every check. They are still paid.. you may be layed off for the rest of the year though. Perhaps excepting the pay you have and guarentee work would be a logical option rather then no work for an entire year so that you may earn 15 cents more an hour.. Perhaps.. Then the honest buisness owners not all are evil capitalist who want to screw everyone over.. some are as honest as you and me and just want to make a living... but have a HUGE overhead and their own family to feed. They put their own sweat and tears into it everyday.. they never call in sick.. they don'ty sleep... The unions don't just take from the paychecks and percentages.. quartly dues.. no they want some of your employers money too.
Unions are driving up incredible cost and not being entirely honest with their people. Its time to take a look at their role in this. Its not completely their fault and they do serve a good purpose. But don't think they are not crooked as many of our politicians.. Go to a union meeting and watch them mingle watch them have a beer with the guy they are negotiating your life with!!
Keep your eyes and mind open don't limit yourself to one side or the other. You don't have to declair yourself Republican Democrate.. For or against unions.. home rule etc... you just need to look research and pay attention.. form your own opions from what you see and not what your told. Stand up and fight for whats right. Not about greed or what you can get out of it
The Problems are not the unions, the problem is the administrations for which they work for.
LittleJ

Basseterre, Saint Kitts and Nevis

#10 Nov 16, 2010
I keep hearing about these police layoffs but when I read something like this in the Trib, I can't help but feel confused:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chic...
Leader among Lemmings

Buffalo Grove, IL

#11 Nov 16, 2010
Interesting: You are sincerely one of the first people I've seen on the 'net posting regarding unions who seems to "get it." Most people seem to be ignorant of the history of unions in this nation, and that ignorance leads them to be incapable of discerning private-business and trade unions from civil-service unions. This ignorance and lack of understanding leads a lot of people to blindly bash a lot of hard-working, honest Americans, whether these critics want to admit it, or are even aware enough to admit their anti-American bias.

In regards to trade unions and other private-sector unions, it's not my place to tell employers how to conduct their business, nor is it my place to tell employees that they should not form collectives. The hubris of some to suggest how both employers and employees should conduct their business simply serves as an example of the arrogance that runs rampant among the blindly "anti-union" crowd.

In regards to civil-service unions, I find them to be a direct affront to the public and it draws a bright-line between "us" (the taxpayers and proverbial employers) and them (the employees). And since that's apparently how cops, firefighters and teachers (among others) want it, I do not support these unions or their members. Unions EXIST to be an adversary to a presumably exploitative employer. Since the members declare themselves as adversaries (and in the case of police especially, demonstrate it) to the taxpayers, it really amazes me when people come out in support of their adversaries, especially those who claim, in regards to private business, to be anti-union.

I'd call it "ironic" if I haven't come to expect a complete lack of logic or understanding from the vast majority of corporatist wage slaves who aren't even smart enough to realize that they are being exploited to shill against their own self interests.

As for the cops, lay 'em off. They wanted their union to stand against the taxpayers, so now they can reap the fruits of their endeavors. Same can go for any firefighter, teacher or other civil-service union member who has drawn the line in the sand telling me, a taxpaying member if the public, is their adversary.

In short, there is NO place for unions in civil-service, either through the context of the history of unionized workers or through their intended function as an adversary to the public (employer). You cannot claim to "serve" people you declare as an adversary.
ActiveResident

Park Forest, IL

#12 Nov 16, 2010
Leader among Lemmings wrote:
In short, there is NO place for unions in civil-service, either through the context of the history of unionized workers or through their intended function as an adversary to the public (employer). You cannot claim to "serve" people you declare as an adversary.
Couldn't agree more. Teachers, police and fire unions "know" that people will scream if governments do not give in to their demands because of the importance of those jobs in keeping a civil society. And they use it for all they're worth. These positions are not poorly paid ones, they don't employ 15 year old kids in sweat shops. All unions are is a front to demand higher wages and no concessions. Even in these times, those unions refuse to let their members donate more to a health plan, take a day or two of unpaid furlough... I don't understand why they can't suck it up a little just like all of us are.
I would be in line giving a high-five to any government that would lay off a cop or fireman (or a school district laying off a teacher) rather than give in to unreasonable salary/benefit demands in a time of recession.
Delusional Sheep

Midlothian, IL

#13 Nov 16, 2010
ActiveResident wrote:
<quoted text>
Couldn't agree more. Teachers, police and fire unions "know" that people will scream if governments do not give in to their demands because of the importance of those jobs in keeping a civil society. And they use it for all they're worth. These positions are not poorly paid ones, they don't employ 15 year old kids in sweat shops. All unions are is a front to demand higher wages and no concessions. Even in these times, those unions refuse to let their members donate more to a health plan, take a day or two of unpaid furlough... I don't understand why they can't suck it up a little just like all of us are.
I would be in line giving a high-five to any government that would lay off a cop or fireman (or a school district laying off a teacher) rather than give in to unreasonable salary/benefit demands in a time of recession.
Good, and after you're done exchanging hive fives with your local government administrator, ask him to protect your life, your property and your personal interests while you're at it...see how well that goes over you sheep. You and the other pot stirring agitant who posted previous to you, where do you people come up with these outlandish conspiracy theories that the police have declared the persons and communities that they serve as "adversaries". When was this proverbial line in the sand drawn between civilians and civil servants? And please don't insult me with that tired old argument that you don't need the police to protect yourself, your family and your property...right, hard ass. People like yourself are always the first ones, despite all their macho rhetoric, to call 911 to sort out or handle what they themselves can't or won't.
You and others like you don't want or need police services, fine...you be the line between order and chaos. Put your money where your big, perpetually blustering mouths are and handle your business in a state of lawlessnes and anarchy. Because we both know you people don't have the constitution or intestinal fortitude to defend or protect your own interests let alone those of your family, friends and neighbors. All you internet vigilantes enjoy your Charles Bronson "Death Wish" boxed set collection, while assembling your posse to protect the ranch. You'll find out though, that in reality, that type of work is best left to the professionals...which you ain't by a long shot. But hey, clearly you folks have got this whole thing well in hand, so no need for those pesky, costly and "adversarial" police who just get in the way of what you citizen semi-pros can clearly do for yourselves at no cost to the village. Good luck circling the wagons town folk!
ActiveResident

Park Forest, IL

#14 Nov 17, 2010
Delusional Sheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Good, and after you're done exchanging hive fives with your local government administrator, ask him to protect your life, your property and your personal interests while you're at it...see how well that goes over you sheep. You and the other pot stirring agitant who posted previous to you, where do you people come up with these outlandish conspiracy theories that the police have declared the persons and communities that they serve as "adversaries". When was this proverbial line in the sand drawn between civilians and civil servants? And please don't insult me with that tired old argument that you don't need the police to protect yourself, your family and your property...right, hard ass. People like yourself are always the first ones, despite all their macho rhetoric, to call 911 to sort out or handle what they themselves can't or won't.
You and others like you don't want or need police services, fine...you be the line between order and chaos. Put your money where your big, perpetually blustering mouths are and handle your business in a state of lawlessnes and anarchy. Because we both know you people don't have the constitution or intestinal fortitude to defend or protect your own interests let alone those of your family, friends and neighbors. All you internet vigilantes enjoy your Charles Bronson "Death Wish" boxed set collection, while assembling your posse to protect the ranch. You'll find out though, that in reality, that type of work is best left to the professionals...which you ain't by a long shot. But hey, clearly you folks have got this whole thing well in hand, so no need for those pesky, costly and "adversarial" police who just get in the way of what you citizen semi-pros can clearly do for yourselves at no cost to the village. Good luck circling the wagons town folk!
Oh, there's no way I would ever say we don't "need" teachers, firemen, or policemen. And nope, I am not one of those people who lecture about "castle law" (whatever the heck that is, I don't know...). Yes, it is a horrible thing to lose policemen and firemen (I'll reserve my judgment about tenured teachers being laid off).

But on the other hand, taxpayers are being held hostage by the unions of these groups of employees (and you and I do pay their salaries, you know). These people are crucial to ordered society, yet their unions believe they are immune from the struggles that everyone is going through. The unions refuse to hear about taking one or two furlough days a year. They refuse to give up nice pay raises. They bristle at the thought that policemen or firemen would have to contribute more towards health insurance.

Well, everyone else in the entire world is doing all those things. I don't think they should be exempt simply because of what they do for a living. You really think that unions should have that power? The unions have you by your balls, and you're cool with that?

So that's why I would high-five a village that says "okay but if we give in to your unreasonable demands, then we aren't going to fill the next vacant position that comes up". And the union says "that's fine with us". What that tells me is that the union is more concerned with getting their members the cushiest deal ever, and the heck with whether their actions affect the safety of their "employer".
sad

Portage, MI

#16 Apr 4, 2012
Just like when your head light burns out, and they give you a ticket with a 50$ fine, they call be cut. %50
sad

Portage, MI

#17 Apr 4, 2012
Nervous citizen wrote:
This makes me nervous. Cut costs elsewhere. If someone was breaking into my house while I was home, I'd want the cops there NOW. I don't want the police department understaffed and so busy that they can't get to me.
With the economy being bad and people losing jobs left and right, crime is going to be on the rise. Bad time to layoff cops.
buy a gun
No Delusions

Marcus Hook, PA

#18 Jun 22, 2012
I don't like the idea of Police Officers and Fire fighters getting laid off anymore than most normal people but there are two dirty little secrets that everyone should know.
1. According to the US Supreme Court the police are there to enforce the law not protect citizens. The police have no obligation tp protect you.
2. When you call 911 the chance of the police arriving in the first 5 minutes is less than 10%
only a moron expects the police to protect them. Learn to protect yourself.

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