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CDC

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#42428 Oct 2, 2013
From your posts you evidently are clueless.
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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From your posts, it's obvious that you can't tell the difference.

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#42429 Oct 2, 2013
Boo

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#42430 Oct 2, 2013
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Regnerus had a peer study conducted to address six charges brought by a gay blogger. He was exonerated of all charges.
Focus on the Family did not fund the study.
Your hateful gay sources are rejected.
Look up the Slate articles about the study.
Where is the lesbian study with methods? Having trouble?
Smile.
Blah, blah blah

Why don't you just admit you don't know ANYTHING about statistics or research methods? Every time you stand up for Regnerus it makes you dumber. Just wait until the ASA gets through with him. His reputation is already shot. Nobody will EVER take him seriously again. And if you can't see why his study is fraudulent, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#42431 Oct 2, 2013
CDC wrote:
From your posts you evidently are clueless.
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Like your opinion is valid.....
CDC

Saint Louis, MO

#42432 Oct 2, 2013
You are looking very foolish.
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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Like your opinion is valid.....

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#42433 Oct 2, 2013
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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Blah, blah blah
Why don't you just admit you don't know ANYTHING about statistics or research methods? Every time you stand up for Regnerus it makes you dumber. Just wait until the ASA gets through with him. His reputation is already shot. Nobody will EVER take him seriously again. And if you can't see why his study is fraudulent, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.
Clearly the idiot is you.

You post a bunch of gays having a hissy fit as supposed proof, and then can't post a SiNGLE gay study to compare Regnerus with.

Such a p0ssy.

Snicker.

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#42434 Oct 2, 2013
Change your name to: Neil An Blowyourself HA HA HA
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Like your opinion is valid.....

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#42435 Oct 2, 2013
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Clearly the idiot is you.
You post a bunch of gays having a hissy fit as supposed proof, and then can't post a SiNGLE gay study to compare Regnerus with.
Such a p0ssy.
Snicker.
Perhaps you should re-read what I posted, idiot stick.

In an explosive interview published by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Darren Sherkat -- a member of the editorial board of the journal Social Science Research, which published Mark Regnerus's disgraced "study" claiming that gays and lesbians make inferior parents -- once again eviscerated the study as "deeply flawed" and its author as "disgraced." Sherkat, who is also a professor of sociology at Southern Illinois University, was appointed by Social Science Research editor James Wright to conduct an audit.

Where do you see "a bunch of gays?" Darren Sherkat was on the committee that reviewed Regnerus' work!!!!!!!! And he's not the only one that thinks it's fraudulent.

The New York Times' earliest report is a good example of strong reporting that set the proper context. While being careful to say that there is a little bit of actual research attached to the study, writer Benedict Carey made it clear that the study did not even remotely apply to the debate to which its supporters wished to apply it. Carey noted the flawed sample (e.g. "About half the study participants with a gay parent, as defined in the study, were born out of wedlock and half into a traditional family that broke up. Many lived with the gay parent sporadically;" "Just three of those who had lesbian mothers lived out their entire childhood with that parent, Dr. Regnerus said; none of those whose fathers had had a same-sex relationship lived full time with their fathers through childhood.") and every single expert Carey quoted in his piece noted the "limited usefulness" in applying the findings to the marriage equality conversation. Carey's article made it perfectly clear that if there is anything at all to be gleaned from Regnerus' work, it speaks to other factors (e.g. divorce, fragmentation, family transition, etc) and not gay parenting in general.

Regenerus’ complaints about poll methodology on marriage are ironic considering his own reputation as a shill for anti-gay groups. He’s the author of one of the most widely discredited papers on same-sex parenting in anti-gay politics, produced with the intention of influencing the Supreme Court’s recent decisions on marriage equality. An internal audit conducted by the journal that published Regnerus’ paper bluntly called it “bullshit,” though Regnerus continues to tout his work in anti-gay circles. As Darren Sherkat, the man in charge of conducting the internal review of the publication of Regnerus’ paper, stated:

When we talk about Regnerus, I completely dismiss the study. It’s over. He has been disgraced. All of the prominent people in the field know what he did and why he did it. And most of them know that he knew better.[emphasis added]
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#42436 Oct 2, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Clearly the idiot is you.
You post a bunch of gays having a hissy fit as supposed proof, and then can't post a SiNGLE gay study to compare Regnerus with.
Such a p0ssy.
Snicker.
You have no idea what you're talking about. None.

Here's what the pros had to say about it:

http://www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-1...

Now try and say all those people are gay.

The study is dead and Regnerus' career is ruined. Evidently, you haven't been keeping up, and more than likely, you are too stupid to know any better.
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#42437 Oct 2, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Clearly the idiot is you.
You post a bunch of gays having a hissy fit as supposed proof, and then can't post a SiNGLE gay study to compare Regnerus with.
Such a p0ssy.
Snicker.
Regnerus seeks to enhance the credibility and relevance of this body of research by including in his sample respondents who actually had a gay parent instead of just people from broken or single-parent homes. But because his sample is mostly made up of fractured families, he fails the most basic requirement of social science research — assessing causation by holding all other variables constant.

he fails the most basic requirement of social science research — assessing causation by holding all other variables constant.

he fails the most basic requirement of social science research — assessing causation by holding all other variables constant.

he fails the most basic requirement of social science research — assessing causation by holding all other variables constant.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/13/opini...

You calling the LA Times gay, too?
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#42438 Oct 2, 2013
CDC wrote:
You are looking very foolish.
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Gee.... I guess that makes you look REALLY foolish, because I'm light years ahead of you, dumbass.
lickmytool

Mount Vernon, IL

#42439 Oct 2, 2013
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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Gee.... I guess that makes you look REALLY foolish, because I'm light years ahead of you, dumbass.
With a name like "neil an blowme" You love a man's mouth wrapped around your dixk.lol.

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#42440 Oct 2, 2013
Yes Neil An Blowme is gay I mean even New Jersey hates him but he has been under their governors desk bet he had a blue dress on?

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#42441 Oct 2, 2013
American Sociological Association said the following about the Regnerus study in its Supreme Court brief (pgs. 26-29):

"First, the Regnerus study does not specifically examine children born or adopted into same-sex parent families, but instead examines children who, from the time they were born until they were 18 or moved out, had a parent who at any time had “a same-sex romantic relationship.” As Regnerus noted, the majority of the individuals characterized by him as children of “lesbian mothers” and “gay fathers” were the offspring of failed opposite- sex unions whose parent subsequently had a same-sex relationship. In other words, Regnerus did not study or analyze the children of two same-sex parents.

Second, when the Regnerus study compared the children of parents who at one point had a “same-sex romantic relationship,” most of whom had experienced a family dissolution or single motherhood, to children raised by two biological, married opposite-sex parents, the study stripped away all divorced, single, and stepparent families from the opposite-sex group, leaving only stable, married, opposite-sex families as the comparison... Thus, it was hardly surprising that the opposite-sex group had better outcomes given that stability is a key predictor of positive child wellbeing. By so doing, the Regnerus study makes inappropriate apples-to-oranges comparisons.

Third, Regnerus’s first published analysis of his research data failed to consider whether the children lived with, or were raised by, the parent who was, at some point, apparently involved in “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex” and that same-sex partner. Instead, Regnerus categorized children as raised by a parent in a same-sex romantic relationship regardless of whether they were in fact raised by the parent and the parent’s same-sex romantic partner and regardless of the amount of time that they spent under the parent’s care. As a result, so long as an adult child believed that he or she had had a parent who had a relationship with someone of the same sex, then he or she was counted by Regnerus as having been “raised by” a parent in a same-sex relationship.

Fourth, in contrast to every other study on same-sex parenting, Regnerus identified parents who had purportedly engaged in a same-sex romantic relationship based solely on the child’s own retrospective report of the parent’s romantic relationships, made once the child was an adult. This unusual measurement strategy ignored the fact that the child may have limited and inaccurate recollections of the parents’ distant romantic past.

Finally, the study fails to account for the fact that the negative outcomes may have been caused by other childhood events or events later in the individual’s adult life, particularly given that the vast majority (thirty-seven of forty) of the outcomes measured were adult and not childhood outcomes. Factors other than same-sex parenting are likely to explain these negative outcomes in the Regnerus study. Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”

In sum, by conflating (1) children raised by same-sex parents with (2) individuals who reportedly had a parent who had “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex,” and referring to such individuals as children of “lesbian mothers” or “gay fathers,” the Regnerus study obscures the fact that it did not specifically examine children raised by two same-sex parents. Accordingly, it cannot speak to the impact of same-sex parenting on child outcomes."

American Sociological Association

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#42442 Oct 3, 2013
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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Perhaps you should re-read what I posted, idiot stick.
In an explosive interview published by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Darren Sherkat -- a member of the editorial board of the journal Social Science Research, which published Mark Regnerus's disgraced "study" claiming that gays and lesbians make inferior parents -- once again eviscerated the study as "deeply flawed" and its author as "disgraced." Sherkat, who is also a professor of sociology at Southern Illinois University, was appointed by Social Science Research editor James Wright to conduct an audit.
Where do you see "a bunch of gays?" Darren Sherkat was on the committee that reviewed Regnerus' work!!!!!!!! And he's not the only one that thinks it's fraudulent.
The New York Times' earliest report is a good example of strong reporting that set the proper context. While being careful to say that there is a little bit of actual research attached to the study, writer Benedict Carey made it clear that the study did not even remotely apply to the debate to which its supporters wished to apply it. Carey noted the flawed sample (e.g. "About half the study participants with a gay parent, as defined in the study, were born out of wedlock and half into a traditional family that broke up. Many lived with the gay parent sporadically;" "Just three of those who had lesbian mothers lived out their entire childhood with that parent, Dr. Regnerus said; none of those whose fathers had had a same-sex relationship lived full time with their fathers through childhood.") and every single expert Carey quoted in his piece noted the "limited usefulness" in applying the findings to the marriage equality conversation. Carey's article made it perfectly clear that if there is anything at all to be gleaned from Regnerus' work, it speaks to other factors (e.g. divorce, fragmentation, family transition, etc) and not gay parenting in general.
Regenerus’ complaints about poll methodology on marriage are ironic considering his own reputation as a shill for anti-gay groups. He’s the author of one of the most widely discredited papers on same-sex parenting in anti-gay politics, produced with the intention of influencing the Supreme Court’s recent decisions on marriage equality. An internal audit conducted by the journal that published Regnerus’ paper bluntly called it “bullshit,” though Regnerus continues to tout his work in anti-gay circles. As Darren Sherkat, the man in charge of conducting the internal review of the publication of Regnerus’ paper, stated:
When we talk about Regnerus, I completely dismiss the study. It’s over. He has been disgraced. All of the prominent people in the field know what he did and why he did it. And most of them know that he knew better.[emphasis added]
I've read what you posted before you posted it.

What you are trying to deliberately cover is that the committee VINDICATED Regnerus!

Read this and gnash your teeth reprobate;

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/10/678...

"How many children were raised by two women staying together from the child’s first birthday to his or her eighteenth? Just two. And how many such cases were there in the FGR category—of children raised by two men together for their whole childhood? Zero. This, out of an initial population of 15,000.

I recite these numbers to make a point of my own that fairly leaps off the pages of Regnerus’s work: that family instability is the characteristic experience of those whose parents have same-sex relationships. This is what Regnerus is getting at when he says that critics who want him to treat stability as a “control variable” are actually “controlling for the pathways.” To go on an endless search for a sizable random sample of long-term, stable same-sex couples raising children is to miss the social reality in front of us, namely that they are conspicuously missing from the lives of children whose parents have same-sex relationships."

Smirk.

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#42443 Oct 3, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
American Sociological Association said the following about the Regnerus study in its Supreme Court brief (pgs. 26-29):
"First, the Regnerus study does not specifically examine children born or adopted into same-sex parent families, but instead examines children who, from the time they were born until they were 18 or moved out, had a parent who at any time had “a same-sex romantic relationship.” As Regnerus noted, the majority of the individuals characterized by him as children of “lesbian mothers” and “gay fathers” were the offspring of failed opposite- sex unions whose parent subsequently had a same-sex relationship. In other words, Regnerus did not study or analyze the children of two same-sex parents.
Second, when the Regnerus study compared the children of parents who at one point had a “same-sex romantic relationship,” most of whom had experienced a family dissolution or single motherhood, to children raised by two biological, married opposite-sex parents, the study stripped away all divorced, single, and stepparent families from the opposite-sex group, leaving only stable, married, opposite-sex families as the comparison... Thus, it was hardly surprising that the opposite-sex group had better outcomes given that stability is a key predictor of positive child wellbeing. By so doing, the Regnerus study makes inappropriate apples-to-oranges comparisons.
Third, Regnerus’s first published analysis of his research data failed to consider whether the children lived with, or were raised by, the parent who was, at some point, apparently involved in “a romantic...l’s adult life, particularly given that the vast majority (thirty-seven of forty) of the outcomes measured were adult and not childhood outcomes. Factors other than same-sex parenting are likely to explain these negative outcomes in the Regnerus study. Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”
In sum, by conflating (1) children raised by same-sex parents with (2) individuals who reportedly had a parent who had “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex,” and referring to such individuals as children of “lesbian mothers” or “gay fathers,” the Regnerus study obscures the fact that it did not specifically examine children raised by two same-sex parents. Accordingly, it cannot speak to the impact of same-sex parenting on child outcomes."
American Sociological Association
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_scie...
don_t_let_criticism_of_the_new _gay_parents_study_become_a_wa r_on_science.html

"Mark Regnerus is a hateful bigot. He’s an ultra-conservative with links to Opus Dei. His new research paper on same-sex parenting is “intentionally misleading” and “seeks to disparage lesbian and gay parents.” His “so-called study doesn’t match 30 years of scientific research that shows overwhelmingly that children raised by parents who are LGBT do equally as well.” His “junk science” and “pseudo-scientific misinformation,” pitted against statements from the American Psychological Association and “every major child welfare organization,” deserve no coverage or credence.

That’s what four of the nation’s leading gay-rights groups—the Human Rights Campaign, the Family Equality Council, Freedom to Marry, and the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation —declared in a joint statement this week. Flanked by a mob of bloggers, they’re out to attack Regnerus’ motives, destroy his credibility, and banish his study from the scientific record. Even Slate contributor E.J. Graff says “Slate's editors should be ashamed” for publishing Regnerus’“dangerous propaganda.”

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#42444 Oct 3, 2013
You got a point there toolman HA HA HA!
lickmytool wrote:
<quoted text>With a name like "neil an blowme" You love a man's mouth wrapped around your dixk.lol.

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#42446 Oct 3, 2013
lickmytool wrote:
<quoted text>With a name like "neil an blowme" You love a man's mouth wrapped around your dixk.lol.
...and what does lickmytool mean?

You're such a dumbass.
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#42447 Oct 3, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I've read what you posted before you posted it.
What you are trying to deliberately cover is that the committee VINDICATED Regnerus!
Read this and gnash your teeth reprobate;
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/10/678...
"How many children were raised by two women staying together from the child’s first birthday to his or her eighteenth? Just two. And how many such cases were there in the FGR category—of children raised by two men together for their whole childhood? Zero. This, out of an initial population of 15,000.
I recite these numbers to make a point of my own that fairly leaps off the pages of Regnerus’s work: that family instability is the characteristic experience of those whose parents have same-sex relationships. This is what Regnerus is getting at when he says that critics who want him to treat stability as a “control variable” are actually “controlling for the pathways.” To go on an endless search for a sizable random sample of long-term, stable same-sex couples raising children is to miss the social reality in front of us, namely that they are conspicuously missing from the lives of children whose parents have same-sex relationships."
Smirk.
You are funny. Regnerus' study proved no such thing.

Damn, you hicks are STOOPID!
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#42448 Oct 3, 2013
CDC wrote:
You got a point there toolman HA HA HA!
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I guess lickmytool means put your tongue on a wrench, eh? You phobes are too stupid.

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