Hostess Brands Closing because of str...

Hostess Brands Closing because of strikes

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its getting worse

Circle Pines, MN

#1 Nov 16, 2012
From CNN-"Hostess Brands -- the maker of such iconic baked goods as Twinkies, Drake's Devil Dogs and Wonder Bread -- announced Friday that it is asking a federal bankruptcy court for permission to close its operations, blaming a strike by bakers protesting a new contract imposed on them."
Way to go unions. Looks like you really won this one. Over 18,000 jobs gone. How can anyone support union labor with this kind of thinking and results?
Read it

Rupert, WV

#2 Nov 16, 2012
This is the second time they've gone bankrupt. The first time was in 2004. This had nothing to do with the union. It sounds more like bad businesses management practices which lead to both bankruptcy and upset employees.

Howards_Johnson

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#3 Nov 16, 2012
Sounds more like a publicity stunt to get a union concession. Typical large company "Bow down or we close up shop" mantra.
Slim

Springfield, NJ

#4 Nov 16, 2012
Sure it's the unions fault. That's the problem, CEOs come out & blame the unions for their greed. It's an absolute shame all the jobs were lost. But thank you to the men & women that sacrificed before getting paid a poverty wage for their work. Welfare is probably better than the alternative. Unions are far from perfect & often times corrupt. Not nearly as much as the employers though. Americans need to sacrifice and support labor unions. Buy American products made by middle class people. It's greed that's driving unions out. It really is beyond me as to how people living in such bad times can not support unions? I am in the same union these people were part of. I make 3x's the wages I ever have prior. And my company is still posting record profits every quarter. I'm far from rich. But I live a very comfortable lifestyle. And I wish every hardworking American got to enjoy a similar lifestyle. I know I'll be bashed because of people saying businesses can't be competitive paying those wages. That's nonsense. All it takes is cutting CEOs salaries in half(they'll still be filthy rich), stop bonuses that surpass rank and file salaries for year to upper management, and people demanding their goods come from American companies that treat their employees fairly
its getting worse

Circle Pines, MN

#5 Nov 16, 2012
Slim wrote:
Sure it's the unions fault. That's the problem, CEOs come out & blame the unions for their greed. It's an absolute shame all the jobs were lost. But thank you to the men & women that sacrificed before getting paid a poverty wage for their work. Welfare is probably better than the alternative. Unions are far from perfect & often times corrupt. Not nearly as much as the employers though. Americans need to sacrifice and support labor unions. Buy American products made by middle class people. It's greed that's driving unions out. It really is beyond me as to how people living in such bad times can not support unions? I am in the same union these people were part of. I make 3x's the wages I ever have prior. And my company is still posting record profits every quarter. I'm far from rich. But I live a very comfortable lifestyle. And I wish every hardworking American got to enjoy a similar lifestyle. I know I'll be bashed because of people saying businesses can't be competitive paying those wages. That's nonsense. All it takes is cutting CEOs salaries in half(they'll still be filthy rich), stop bonuses that surpass rank and file salaries for year to upper management, and people demanding their goods come from American companies that treat their employees fairly
Nice...rather live on welfare than work. where is your pride? you admit you make 3 x what you are used to. Will you give only 1/3 to someone who don't have a job? No-and why should you. Yet you will take the welfare provided by a 18 year old pregnant girl working evenings at Burger King and paying into the system so a low down lazy cur like you can make 3 x the wage you used to-either by working or on welfare. This is exactly what is wrong with us today.
Slim

Springfield, NJ

#6 Nov 16, 2012
Forgive me. I must not have been clear in my SARCASM! Is that really what you got out of my statement? You know, it's fine for you to disagree with me & state your case. But to be ignorant & claim I'm what's wrong with this country is ridiculous. To be honest, it's small minded people like yourself that let all the rhetoric these people spew to trick your backward ass into screwing yourself to push their own agenda, sir
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#7 Nov 16, 2012
its getting worse wrote:
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Nice...rather live on welfare than work. where is your pride? you admit you make 3 x what you are used to. Will you give only 1/3 to someone who don't have a job? No-and why should you. Yet you will take the welfare provided by a 18 year old pregnant girl working evenings at Burger King and paying into the system so a low down lazy cur like you can make 3 x the wage you used to-either by working or on welfare. This is exactly what is wrong with us today.
18 year old pregnant girls, working at Burger King, get tax refunds and most likely qualify for government assistance. That's part of the problem. Many large companies are paying their employees so little that they're forced to get assistance that taxpayers pay for.

The only person here in this forum who is hurting that hypothetical girl is you by demeaning people, like her, who get government assistance. If she were in a union, she could probably afford to pay her bills without getting foodstamps and she could probably get insurance rather than being forced to use medicaid.

I'm getting extremely tired of having "You must be on welfare! Moochers!" being the new thing to say to people that disagree with Republicans. It's not only false, it's stupid.
Takbir-Allahu Akbar

Crawley, WV

#8 Nov 16, 2012
Muhammad does not consume such garbage.

Howards_Johnson

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#9 Nov 17, 2012
Read_it wrote:
I'm getting extremely tired of having "You must be on welfare! Moochers!" being the new thing to say to people that disagree with Republicans. It's not only false, it's stupid.
Agreed. I wish I could put that in bold.
Buggz

Bluefield, WV

#10 Nov 17, 2012
Darn, if I'd known Hostess was in that big of a financial mess, I'd have consumed more Suzy Q's and Twinkies!
its getting worse

Circle Pines, MN

#11 Nov 17, 2012
Buggz wrote:
Darn, if I'd known Hostess was in that big of a financial mess, I'd have consumed more Suzy Q's and Twinkies!
Have Slim do it. He's rich--and ready to give other peoples money away to those who need it.

Howards_Johnson

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#12 Nov 17, 2012
its getting worse wrote:
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Have Slim do it. He's rich--and ready to give other peoples money away to those who need it.
Ijiot.
its getting worse

Circle Pines, MN

#13 Nov 17, 2012
Howards_Johnson wrote:
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Ijiot.
Troll

Howards_Johnson

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#14 Nov 17, 2012
its getting worse wrote:
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Troll
That's the pot calling the kettle black.
Slim

Springfield, NJ

#15 Nov 17, 2012
its getting worse wrote:
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Have Slim do it. He's rich--and ready to give other peoples money away to those who need it.
far from rich, just enjoy a living wage
observer

Bluefield, WV

#16 Nov 17, 2012
It took a lot of courage for the unions to stand up and finally say enough is enough. The employees lost their jobs and they knew that was a possibility but they stood up for what they felt was right. Unfortunately, just like in all cases such as this, the greedy top executives will get out of the whole mess without much more than a scratch. Not only have the executives' pay been a huge expense to the company all this time, you can bet that the executives got golden parachutes and walked away with compensation packages in the millions. In addition, unlike some poor rank and file employee who may have made a mistake in the past and not get a second chance, these executives, the ones who were paid millions of dollars to lead the company and failed to do it, these executives will go on to work for some other company and continue to get millions in their new jobs despite they failed to what they were paid to do in their old job.
its getting worse

Circle Pines, MN

#17 Nov 17, 2012
Howards_Johnson wrote:
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That's the pot calling the kettle black.
go back to Beckley post

Howards_Johnson

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#18 Nov 17, 2012
its getting worse wrote:
go back to Beckley post
Go back to giving head.
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WORD

Princeton, WV

#20 Nov 17, 2012
why should workers even get paid just give it all to the ceos.because its got to be tough to live on 800 to 900 million a year
Hu Jintao

Dallas, TX

#21 Nov 17, 2012
Slim wrote:
thank you to the men & women that sacrificed before getting paid a poverty wage for their work. Welfare is probably better than the alternative.
They were asked to take an 8% pay cut. Welfare is better than that?

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