flowers bakery....so unfair

flowers bakery....so unfair

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gr8t

Bluefield, WV

#1 Mar 6, 2011
I REALLY HATE TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE JOBS THAT THE CLOSURE HAS TAKEN FROM ALL THE WORKER'S AT FLOWERS. IT IS A SHAME. UNFORTUNATELY, FLOWERS DECIDED TO TAKE WORK FROM THE BLUEFIELD PLANT AND RE ROUTE IT ALL TO THE KENTUCKY AND NORTH CAROLINA PLANTS. THESE PLANTS ARE NON-UNION AND PRODUCTION IS CHEAPER BECAUSE OF THE WAGES. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS WE WILL NO LONGER PURCHASE ITEMS THAT FLOWERS PRODUCES. HEINER'S THIS MEANS ALOT OF EXTRA BUSINESS FOR YOU ALL!!!!
woot

Lerona, WV

#2 Mar 6, 2011
Agreed. That was awful thing to do.
get real

Sevierville, TN

#3 Mar 6, 2011
It wasnt awful... its called business... unions rape businesses of any hope of a proffit so its the unions fault period... driving wages to ridiculous rates and destroying profits period...
lightbulb moment

Bluefield, WV

#4 Mar 6, 2011
good old WV---union all the way

no wonder big businessess won't come here
No More Flower Bread 4 Me

Rupert, WV

#5 Mar 6, 2011
gr8t wrote:
I REALLY HATE TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE JOBS THAT THE CLOSURE HAS TAKEN FROM ALL THE WORKER'S AT FLOWERS. IT IS A SHAME. UNFORTUNATELY, FLOWERS DECIDED TO TAKE WORK FROM THE BLUEFIELD PLANT AND RE ROUTE IT ALL TO THE KENTUCKY AND NORTH CAROLINA PLANTS. THESE PLANTS ARE NON-UNION AND PRODUCTION IS CHEAPER BECAUSE OF THE WAGES. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS WE WILL NO LONGER PURCHASE ITEMS THAT FLOWERS PRODUCES. HEINER'S THIS MEANS ALOT OF EXTRA BUSINESS FOR YOU ALL!!!!
I strongly agree. I will no longer but anything that Flowers sells. That even if I have to go out of my way to keep from buying their breads,I surely will do so.I belive,and hope that everyone else will do the same. Even if it cost a lil more,I will pay the difference.I think these employees were done very dirty,and remember them,and their familys.
gr8t

Bluefield, WV

#6 Mar 6, 2011
get real wrote:
It wasnt awful... its called business... unions rape businesses of any hope of a proffit so its the unions fault period... driving wages to ridiculous rates and destroying p rofits period...
The one who is getting raped is the hard working employees who try to do the right thing and provide for there family. west virginia sux because buisness owners think a man can provide all he needs for a family for minimum wage. Sounds like to me you don't know how it is to live paycheck to paycheck. SO YOU SAY well move away if you don't like it, how can you when you are scraping to make ends meet. Flowers closed to get rid of the union, not because of lack of production or any other crap they might say. So enjoy eating food that you are fill the pockets of out of stste workers.
get real

Sevierville, TN

#7 Mar 6, 2011
gr8t wrote:
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The one who is getting raped is the hard working employees who try to do the right thing and provide for there family. west virginia sux because buisness owners think a man can provide all he needs for a family for minimum wage. Sounds like to me you don't know how it is to live paycheck to paycheck. SO YOU SAY well move away if you don't like it, how can you when you are scraping to make ends meet. Flowers closed to get rid of the union, not because of lack of production or any other crap they might say. So enjoy eating food that you are fill the pockets of out of stste workers.
duh read what i said... unions are the problem and haha trust me i know what its like more than you will ever know... been there done that... and as far as out of state foods... get real cause everytime you shop at walmart you are supporting out of country business so whats the dam difference? flowers products taste like shit anyways.. always have even before the so called bohycott bullshit came along... they wont be affectedanyway you look at it and frankly i do not and will not blame them for leaving this shithole to get rid of the mobsters.. i mean teamsters.. lol
unions

Bluefield, WV

#8 Mar 7, 2011
Unions are responsible for economic state of our region. The unions drove the coal mines out of business.
Jimmy Hoffa

Bluefield, WV

#9 Mar 7, 2011
Labor Unions have rallied for workers rights for decades. Do you enjoy having labor day off, a 40 hour work week that pays over time at 40+, how about a pension or affordable healthcare?

There are many who abuse their union rights and abuse companies; however, there are fat more that provide for their families better and enjoy the benefits of a better wage due to organizing. I guarantee the workers at Flowers have a decent pension to fall back on, and if they worked efficiently they learned many skills that will transfer to other areas.

Unions keep the big guy from getting bigger while those who are working, and earning the money stay poor. Take Wal-mart for example: the manager is making over 100k a year while enjoying many other benefits I.e. paid days off, healthcare, retirement option etc. What does the clerk get, or the those stocking the shelves, cleaning the floors? Answer: not much! That's why Wal-mart is anti union, so they can continue to get richer while exploiting poor people who just want to provide for their family. And that is exactly what coal mines done, they exploited workers by paying in script that must be used at the company store, the worker had to work in poor conditions, and be taken from his home to work to pay for the home he was constantly away from.

Unions aren't all good; however, they make businesses redistribute the wealth among the workers, they demand safe conditions, retirements, vacation/holidays etc. Only those greedy companies that didn't care for their workers refuse to pay them relative to what they earn. Why should the man at the top be wealthy while those at the bottom, who are the true earners, struggle to pay for their kids lunch at school, day care, healthcare, etc, and continue this struggle into their golden years, because they have no pension other than social security.

Union = Equality
Business

Parkersburg, WV

#10 Mar 7, 2011
It is really a blessing that we have any business left in Princeton. Or WVA. for that matter. WVA. runs business off befoore they can get started.We border so many states and it is so much easier to open something in another stae. So much less paper work, not to metion the taxes are so much less all around us. You dont need a licence for every little thing. not to mention you dont B and O taxes in other places. If you open business in city limits then double all ive just said!!! I to am sorry for all the employes just suprised it hasnt happened before now!!!!
roy

Bluefield, WV

#11 Mar 7, 2011
Jimmy Hoffa wrote:
Labor Unions have rallied for workers rights for decades. Do you enjoy having labor day off, a 40 hour work week that pays over time at 40+, how about a pension or affordable healthcare?
There are many who abuse their union rights and abuse companies; however, there are fat more that provide for their families better and enjoy the benefits of a better wage due to organizing. I guarantee the workers at Flowers have a decent pension to fall back on, and if they worked efficiently they learned many skills that will transfer to other areas.
Unions keep the big guy from getting bigger while those who are working, and earning the money stay poor. Take Wal-mart for example: the manager is making over 100k a year while enjoying many other benefits I.e. paid days off, healthcare, retirement option etc. What does the clerk get, or the those stocking the shelves, cleaning the floors? Answer: not much! That's why Wal-mart is anti union, so they can continue to get richer while exploiting poor people who just want to provide for their family. And that is exactly what coal mines done, they exploited workers by paying in script that must be used at the company store, the worker had to work in poor conditions, and be taken from his home to work to pay for the home he was constantly away from.
Unions aren't all good; however, they make businesses redistribute the wealth among the workers, they demand safe conditions, retirements, vacation/holidays etc. Only those greedy companies that didn't care for their workers refuse to pay them relative to what they earn. Why should the man at the top be wealthy while those at the bottom, who are the true earners, struggle to pay for their kids lunch at school, day care, healthcare, etc, and continue this struggle into their golden years, because they have no pension other than social security.
Union = Equality
Well Wal-Mart sure doesn't have any trouble finding people willing to work.

As for the coal mines, I agree that unions were necessary in the 30's, 40's and 50's because of the coal companies and the poor work conditions. But that all changed in the 70's, 80's and 90's as the UMWA tried to gouge the companies who are in business to make money. So they just closed up and left and all the greedy workers were left without a job. The majority of which were high school dropouts and now unable to find a job.

Someday people will realize that businesses exist to make money. So like Flowers, once the labor costs become too much they will close and move elsewhere.
Jimmy Hoffa

Bluefield, WV

#12 Mar 7, 2011
roy wrote:
<quoted text>Well Wal-Mart sure doesn't have any trouble finding people willing to work.

As for the coal mines, I agree that unions were necessary in the 30's, 40's and 50's because of the coal companies and the poor work conditions. But that all changed in the 70's, 80's and 90's as the UMWA tried to gouge the companies who are in business to make money. So they just closed up and left and all the greedy workers were left without a job. The majority of which were high school dropouts and now unable to find a job.

Someday people will realize that businesses exist to make money. So like Flowers, once the labor costs become too much they will close and move elsewhere.
They sure will, because they're nit willing to pay the workers relative to what they earn for the company. It's not a point of finding workers it's the fact that a certain few at the top shouldn't enjoy the spoils, while those who are earning the most for the company are put out. It's called scab labor! A company only goes looking for alternative labor when they are wanting more for themselves. I'm sure Flowers Bakery could have afforded to keep those workers; however, they chose to cut jobs in order to have a larger bottom line, which will go in the pockets of owners who are more interested in collecting their riches like Scrooge, while "Joe the Baker" goes home to tell his family they can no longer eat the bread he slaves to make, because the man needs more money for luxuries.

BTW: the reason you believe that organized labor isn't necessary, because you (labor or not) are enjoying the fruits of many years of change brought on by unions. If they aren't here quality goes down with safety and regulations, and you better start learning Spanish, because all your neighbors will be Mexican (remember that scab labor I mentioned). Labor Unions keep it fair; otherwise, you will have people who will always be willing to work for less.

Equal Work for Equal Pay
Local Jobs for Local People

You drive out unions you drive out fairness and equality.

Question: when you turn sixty will you be happy when that twenty something shows up willing to do your job for less pay and with more energy, and the company forces you out and when you decide to take that early retirement, because you can't find work at your age, you learn that you can, but with hefty penalties? Is that cool?
roy

Bluefield, WV

#13 Mar 7, 2011
Everything in business is about the bottom line. Stockholders and Boards of Directors are only interested in profits. So that puts pressure on management to cut costs and find ways to increase profits. This usually trickles down to cutting labor costs. If that means laying off workers, bringing in cheaper less-experienced workers or closing operations all together, so be it. That's how it happens.
One thing I've noticed is there is always someone out there willing to work for less and are more than happy to do it. I'm sure someone in Kentucky (or wherever the Flowers's jobs went) will be more than happy to work for less. Flowers will be happy and the new workers will be happy.
Just remember, there is always someone out there willing and happy to work for less. That's why Wal-Mart never has a problem finding employees.
Is it pretty? No. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. But in a capitalist society, that's how it works..
Jimmy Hoffa

Bluefield, WV

#14 Mar 7, 2011
roy wrote:
Everything in business is about the bottom line. Stockholders and Boards of Directors are only interested in profits. So that puts pressure on management to cut costs and find ways to increase profits. This usually trickles down to cutting labor costs. If that means laying off workers, bringing in cheaper less-experienced workers or closing operations all together, so be it. That's how it happens.
One thing I've noticed is there is always someone out there willing to work for less and are more than happy to do it. I'm sure someone in Kentucky (or wherever the Flowers's jobs went) will be more than happy to work for less. Flowers will be happy and the new workers will be happy.
Just remember, there is always someone out there willing and happy to work for less. That's why Wal-Mart never has a problem finding employees.
Is it pretty? No. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. But in a capitalist society, that's how it works..
....and that my friend is why we have collective bargaining and the right to organize: to keep it fair.
roy

Bluefield, WV

#15 Mar 7, 2011
Jimmy Hoffa wrote:
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....and that my friend is why we have collective bargaining and the right to organize: to keep it fair.
Exactly...and BOTH sides should understand that the other has the right to move on if it's not worth their while or if they've found greener pastures.
Lewis

United States

#16 Mar 7, 2011
Unions almost destroyed the american auto industry. How in the world can you pay somebody 40 bucks an hour to build a car and pay a guy that risks his life daily in the mines 20 to 24 bucks an hour. The unions pushed for ridiculous pay and benefits in the auto industry and almost destroyed it.
Jimmy Hoffa

Bluefield, WV

#17 Mar 7, 2011
roy wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly...and BOTH sides should understand that the other has the right to move on if it's not worth their while or if they've found greener pastures.
I concur! My point was to others that were bashing unions all together. Both labor and management have their faults, but labor has made strides for the American worker, its ok not to agree with some of their practices, but to say they shouldn't exist is just absurd.
insane

Bluefield, WV

#18 Mar 7, 2011
get real wrote:
It wasnt awful... its called business... unions rape businesses of any hope of a proffit so its the unions fault period... driving wages to ridiculous rates and destroying profits period...
apparently you still have your job...The people that lost their jobs are the ones to suffer....
purelife

Rocky Mount, NC

#19 Mar 7, 2011
Let me start out to say that I am very sorry for the people that the closing of Flowers will impact. This for some is a life changing event and with the current economic times we live in, I'm sure it will get worse before it gets better.

**They closed because the equipment was old, and the capitol expenditure of replacing vs. the small profit that plant made.The return on the new equipment, would have been years before they realized a return on the investment of new equipment.
** The Union issue did not help- when you can make: more product, faster,more efficiently, tax rates and overall operating expenses are cheaper out of state....the decision to close is a no brainer.
** What you see happening at Flowers is going to play out in a lot of company's in WV over the next 8 months,we are not open for business.

WE NEED TO BE A "RIGHT TO WORK" STATE.

Again I am very sorry for the loss of the jobs for our county and those people affected I feel horrible for them, and further more it's not there fault, just business. Most states that have right to work laws are doing much better than closed shop states.
Question.......WHAT WOULD THE MONEY YOU PAID EACH WEEK TO UNION DUES , DO FOR YOU NOW?

Think about this, all we have ever had is-union work, we still lag behind in money made, unemployment rate is high, kids are leaving, business tax rates keep climbing, various legal issues reference: to third party bad faith, workers comp.....It goes on and on, all we have is democrats and unions, and we are still almost dead last in each category...Is it not time for change?

employees of Flowers I pray you find work, and this hardship will pass soon, sorry.

Im just throwing it all on the table, because what we are doing now is not working.....we all prob agree on that.
Business

Parkersburg, WV

#20 Mar 8, 2011
I agree!!!! think you hit the nail on the head. We are all just wondering when the next bussiness will hit the dust. Personaly I dont think it will be long!!!

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