Get rid of Abby!!
just wondering

Cadiz, KY

#343 Oct 10, 2012
Without trust wrote:
<quoted text>I first heard about racial comments being directed toward Abby in Fiscal Court. Sherry Pinnegar Ward stood up to address the question of whether it was legal for Rodney Heaton to vote on whether Abby was to be fired. She said the law prohibited Heaton from voting because of his litigation with Abby's sister. Judge Executive Brock Thomas told her to put that paper work on his desk. She replied that she had the paper work with her and felt that no vote during the closed session that day should allow Heaton to vote. It turned out to be quite entertaining because each time that she was recognized and stated why Heaton could not vote Brock Thomas said exactly the same thing about putting the papers on his desk. It was quite a show. One of the times that she spoke she addressed the allegation that two of the magistrates
had been heard using racial slurs against Abby. I have read those same words used on several occasions in posts on Topix.
Tara you can correct me on this one if I am wrong, but I think I am right. Even though sessions concerning personnel are closed, no votes can be taken in closed sessions. All votes must be taken in open session so they can be recorded as business.
Holly Tara

Frankfort, KY

#344 Oct 10, 2012
just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Tara you can correct me on this one if I am wrong, but I think I am right. Even though sessions concerning personnel are closed, no votes can be taken in closed sessions. All votes must be taken in open session so they can be recorded as business.
I don't have the answer to that. Would that be in the rules of parliamentary procedure?
just wondering

Cadiz, KY

#345 Oct 10, 2012
Holly Tara wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have the answer to that. Would that be in the rules of parliamentary procedure?
I don't know
Holly Tara

Frankfort, KY

#346 Oct 10, 2012
just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know
I found something, and I think you are right.

Executive sessions


Common Executive Session Exemptions



Personal Privacy(Including Employees)


Attoreny-Client Priviledge/Litigation


Security/Police Information


Purchase or Sale of Property


Union Negotiations


Licensing Exams/Decisions


Exempt under other laws


Executive sessions can be called by a majority vote of the public body in an open session. No final action can be taken at an executive session.[8] Closed meetings can be held for the following reasons:
• Kentucky Parole Board deliberations
• when considering sale or purchase of property when publicity would affect the value
• pending litigation strategy and attorney-client privilege
• Grand and petit jury sessions;
• Collective bargaining negotiations
• Discussions of the appointment, discipline, or dismissal of an individual employee, member, or student. The individual however, may request a public trial.
• Discussions with commercial prospects
• State and local cabinet meetings and executive cabinet meetings;
• Committees of the General Assembly other than standing committees;
• Deliberations of judicial or quasi-judicial bodies when the individual being discussed is not part of any governmental agency. This exemption does not include any meetings of planning commissions, zoning commissions, or boards of adjustment.
• Meetings exempted by federal or other state laws
• Meetings which the Constitution provides shall be held in secret
• Meetings discussing records exempt under the Kentucky Open Records Act[6]

Read more: http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Kentucky_...
just wondering

Cadiz, KY

#347 Oct 10, 2012
Holly Tara wrote:
<quoted text>
I found something, and I think you are right.
Executive sessions
Common Executive Session Exemptions
Personal Privacy(Including Employees)
Attoreny-Client Priviledge/Litigation
Security/Police Information
Purchase or Sale of Property
Union Negotiations
Licensing Exams/Decisions
Exempt under other laws
Executive sessions can be called by a majority vote of the public body in an open session. No final action can be taken at an executive session.[8] Closed meetings can be held for the following reasons:
• Kentucky Parole Board deliberations
• when considering sale or purchase of property when publicity would affect the value
• pending litigation strategy and attorney-client privilege
• Grand and petit jury sessions;
• Collective bargaining negotiations
• Discussions of the appointment, discipline, or dismissal of an individual employee, member, or student. The individual however, may request a public trial.
• Discussions with commercial prospects
• State and local cabinet meetings and executive cabinet meetings;
• Committees of the General Assembly other than standing committees;
• Deliberations of judicial or quasi-judicial bodies when the individual being discussed is not part of any governmental agency. This exemption does not include any meetings of planning commissions, zoning commissions, or boards of adjustment.
• Meetings exempted by federal or other state laws
• Meetings which the Constitution provides shall be held in secret
• Meetings discussing records exempt under the Kentucky Open Records Act[6]
Read more: http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Kentucky_...
Thank you Tara.

We live in a day when as citizens we have more access to information than we have ever had.

Somehow it has become vogue to be critical of our government and leaders. I'm not trying to say we shouldn't be critical when it is needed. I think at times we are critical just because we can be. I think it would benefit us all to know more about how our government works. When is the last time that any of us has actually attended a city council meeting, a fiscal court meeting, a session of the Senate or the House of Representative in Frankfort. Everyone of these meetings and hundreds of other meetings are open for the general pubic to attend.

We elect people (candidates) to represent us so we don't have attend these meetings. We either need to put our trust in the people we have elected to represent us or we need to step up and become more actively involved in our government.

We live in a great country where we can get on forums like this and agree to disagree. I may not like everything you say but I will defend your right to say it.
NodogintheHunt

United States

#348 Oct 10, 2012
Any action taken has to be voted on in open session.
Without trust

Orange, VA

#349 Oct 11, 2012
just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you Tara.
We live in a day when as citizens we have more access to information than we have ever had.
Somehow it has become vogue to be critical of our government and leaders. I'm not trying to say we shouldn't be critical when it is needed. I think at times we are critical just because we can be. I think it would benefit us all to know more about how our government works. When is the last time that any of us has actually attended a city council meeting, a fiscal court meeting, a session of the Senate or the House of Representative in Frankfort. Everyone of these meetings and hundreds of other meetings are open for the general pubic to attend.
We elect people (candidates) to represent us so we don't have attend these meetings. We either need to put our trust in the people we have elected to represent us or we need to step up and become more actively involved in our government.
We live in a great country where we can get on forums like this and agree to disagree. I may not like everything you say but I will defend your right to say it.
A few months ago I would have agreed with much of what you said. I admired county and city officials who gave their time and energy to the community. I wish I still felt that way. I do not enjoy being critical. I actually like to praise. However, I have seen virtuallly nothing to applaud concerning the Abby Tucker situation. I have been so disappointed when attending city council meetings and fiscal court meetings when the discussion of this devisive issue about Abby was pretty much stopped or curtailed to such an extent that the average citizen was not able to speak. I have observed county officials mislead the public in so many ways that I am totally disheartened. I wish that I still felt the way you do. Unfortunately, I think that the more you attend these public forums the more it is patently obvious that MANY of public officials care very little about fairness for the citizens of Caldwell County. They seem to be more concerned about sticking together and advancing their own agenda.
Abby Fan aka Columbo

Orange, VA

#350 Oct 11, 2012
Sorry, number cruncher, that I couldn't get back to you earlier. After much sleuthing, I find from my VERY informed source that you were only wrong on four points. It was Knight, not Hughes, who appointed Abby. She sued only once and dropped that when Howton left. She missed 7 and 1/2 months not 2l as you said. She did have a serious four-wheeler accident and a reinjury to her shoulder in a work-related incident months later. She ended up having surgery after the reinjury. Unfortunately, the surgeon operated on the WRONG shoulder so two days later she had surgery again--on the correct arm. Finally, her sister was BUYING not renting from Heaton. This is the property that Heaton went into and tossed the sister's personal belongings into the yard and burned. This is the incident that prompted the lawsuit her sister has against Heaton. Most of your points were correct though and I will address their relevance next.
Abby Fan aka Columbo

Orange, VA

#351 Oct 11, 2012
NC, you were right about all of the family members working for Russell Heaton and Skip West. My source tells me there were even more. Not only did Abby's daughter and niece work for Russell Heaton, but also Abby and her sister worked at the station at one time. Not just Abby's son worked for Skip West but the family did a great deal of work on West's farm on the Otter Pond Road. I can't understand why there is anything wrong with them getting financial gain from wages or salary they had earned.

I have to tell you though I loved your point 7 in this discussion about work. You described West as one who "has close ties w/ said Bully." Now isn't that interesting--a strong tie. And West was the investigator who DONATED his time in the initial investigation into Abby. WOW!

Abby Fan aka Columbo

Orange, VA

#352 Oct 11, 2012
My favorite part of my investigation yesterday had to do with your fourth point. You were correct. She did take one of her sister's children into her home. But she also has helped to raise in her home three other small children in the family, in addition to her own. You were right about the niece going to prison. Abby was the officer who arrested her twice.

I thank you for posting those points because I am even more in awe of Abby's hard-work ethic. Every person I have talked to tells me that she is the hardest working person he or she has ever met. I think about all of those letters in the paper telling story after story of how Abby helped them. Now I find out that she is just as supportive and caring for her own family. I believe that she has so many fans because she has some traits that seem to be rarer and rarer to find in people today. It is refreshing to find someone who is so willing to help others. It is also refreshing to see someone who had some power as a police officer actually arrest her niece for wrong doing. This is in contrast to others in positions of power who use their influence and money to see that their children or relatives never answer for any of their misdeeds.

So after my looking into your points which were interesting, informative and mostly correct, I am
even more Abby Fan aka Columbo

Number Cruncher

Houston, TX

#353 Oct 11, 2012
I have to admire your blind devotion to Ms. Tucker. Don’t let little facts such as:

1. Knight did appoint Ms. Tucker as County Animal Control. However, it was Hughes who appointed her as City Animal Control prior to Knight’s appointment. After she was appointed county animal control, the city dropped the position b/c the county position covered both city and county.
2. Time absent from work; please, refer to post 287 which was copied directly from her lawsuit
Tucker V City of Princeton, KY - Document 39

On August 25, 2003. Plaintiff injured her shoulder when her four-wheeler struck a tree in an alcohol-related accident. She was absent from work until January 15, 2004. On June 12, 2004, Plaintiff re-injured her shoulder after firing a shotgun because she was required to qualify with a shotgun for her employment. She then was absent from work until February 22, 2005. She was again absent from work from September 11, 2005 until March 1, 2006. She remained at work until May 21, 2006, when she again took leave until July 27, 2006. Plaintiff missed approximately 21 months of work during this three year period.
3. The indictment of one charge is multi-faceted
https://ourtaxdollarsatwork.wordpress.com/......
“Included in that count there are several acts by Ms. Tucker which involve improper accounting of monies given to her as donations, failure to make proper dispositions and accounting of property that she had possession of as the animal control officer here in Caldwell County. Improperly inducing donations to the animal shelter,” Ovey said.
4. Ms. Tucker publicly evaded the reason for her suspension until she was indicted.
5. KSP conducted the investigation which was presented to the grand jury
6. A grand jury indicted Ms. Tucker not one person .
I have never assigned guilt or innocence to Ms. Tucker. That is for a jury of her peers to decide. We have 5 more months before this will happen. So please, continue on with the dog and pony show of who is responsible for her demise, how long it took a grand jury to indict, etc. Never once entertain the notion that maybe, just maybe Ms. Tucker is reason there is a docket w/ her name on it.
Holly Tara

Frankfort, KY

#354 Oct 11, 2012
What is document 39? An answer? Did Abby prepare and file document 39? If not Abby, then who filed it and what sort of document is it? An affidavit?
Holly Tara

Frankfort, KY

#355 Oct 11, 2012
Also, I am having trouble understanding what you are saying about the indictments as well as what Mr. Ovey was quoted as saying. I have never heard of a single indictment that is multifaceted. In fact, to my knowledge--and I could certainly be wrong--if there were a series of checks in question, each check would be a separate count to the indictment or a separate indictment. Lumping all of these things together may be possible, but I have never heard of it. And surely these disparate charges Ovey talks about couldn't be contained in one indictment. It just doesn't make sense.

It seems more likely to me that Ovey was trying to puff it up more than what is there. Also, my bullshit meter started climbing when I saw his comment about how one of the indictments was complicated. That is what I would say if I didn't have the facts and could just tell the jury that, even though they didn't hear enough evidence to convict, it is a complicated matter and you can trust your commonwealth's attorney to steer you right. I am guessing that worked on the grand jury.
Anonymous

Owensboro, KY

#356 Oct 11, 2012
She admitted to signing blank time sheets and as to why she was signing them.... To defraud the county and let employees get paid for hours worked by others. And the "Abby supporters" pass that off as a "small" or "insignificant" mistake. That "mistake" was illegal. No matter how you explain it away, it's ILLEGAL.
Anonymous

Owensboro, KY

#357 Oct 11, 2012
Paula, you have NO idea what happened in that Grand Jury room, and once again..everyone but Abby did wrong. Take those blinders off, pumpkin, gonna be a long 6 months walking around unable to see the WHOLE story. I could have said walking around with your head in your ass, but I would then be guilty of "hurting your widdle feelings"! Smiles!
Holly Tara

Frankfort, KY

#358 Oct 11, 2012
Id Rather Be Fishing wrote:
Paula, you have NO idea what happened in that Grand Jury room, and once again..everyone but Abby did wrong. Take those blinders off, pumpkin, gonna be a long 6 months walking around unable to see the WHOLE story. I could have said walking around with your head in your ass, but I would then be guilty of "hurting your widdle feelings"! Smiles!
You're right that I don't know what happened in the grand jury room, but Abby does. She has a transcript of every word said in there. So it isn't a secret as you seem to think it is.
Anonymous

Owensboro, KY

#359 Oct 11, 2012
You keep trying to convince people that Ovey pushed the Grand Jury to indict and that they took too long to indict, which is ridiculious . Who in their right mind would bitch that 12 people took the time to hear ALL the evidence THEY wanted to hear? You keep grasping at straws and putting down the entire judicial system...and for what??? She WAS indicted. You can't change that!!! Move on!!
Number Cruncher

Houston, TX

#360 Oct 11, 2012
Was there a reason fact #5 from post #323 was evaded? Paula, your family has a negative history with this individual and frankly, I am shocked any of you would associate with anyone who has ties with him. Truly inspirational the ability to forgive and forget.
Anonymous

Owensboro, KY

#361 Oct 11, 2012
I know she and her attorney had the right to those transcripts. Duh! That's not the point. You still want to blame everyone but Abby. Geezus!
Holly Tara

Frankfort, KY

#362 Oct 11, 2012
Number Cruncher wrote:
Was there a reason fact #5 from post #323 was evaded? Paula, your family has a negative history with this individual and frankly, I am shocked any of you would associate with anyone who has ties with him. Truly inspirational the ability to forgive and forget.
Remind me what that is. I have no idea what you are referencing here.

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