Magistrate sues four county residents
Homogenized Milk

Madisonville, KY

#411 Sep 3, 2012
I think what you mean was , you tried to read it but was abOve your education level. Just stay out of it dummy
just wondering

Benton, KY

#412 Sep 3, 2012
Homogenized Milk wrote:
I think what you mean was , you tried to read it but was abOve your education level. Just stay out of it dummy
At least I read it. What was your excuse?
My Two Cents

Dunmor, KY

#413 Sep 3, 2012
I don't see a connection, the audit has nothing to do with the Criminal Indictment? Seems like someone is trying to take the heat off the Indicted party? I am curious that someone who claims to be wrongfully accused and eager to proclaim their innocence, had the chance to tell their side, but instead chose to file paperwork so she wouldn't have to prejudice herself. I would think someone with nothing to hide would love to show her proof? Just my thoughts. One side has been quite, one side has tried to point the finger at everyone else. When it come time to put up or shut up, the side that has been so eager to talk, shuts up. Sometime the truth will set you free, other times it will lock you up. Time for another cook out?
Claude Balls

Paducah, KY

#414 Sep 3, 2012
That would be a lack of receipts and deposits, changes in entries or no entries or receipts for withdrawals.
They audit the whole thing not just part and it and if it doesn't balance then someone has to account for what is missing and where the money went.
Folllow the money.
HAND
just wondering

Benton, KY

#415 Sep 3, 2012
My Two Cents wrote:
I don't see a connection, the audit has nothing to do with the Criminal Indictment? Seems like someone is trying to take the heat off the Indicted party? I am curious that someone who claims to be wrongfully accused and eager to proclaim their innocence, had the chance to tell their side, but instead chose to file paperwork so she wouldn't have to prejudice herself. I would think someone with nothing to hide would love to show her proof? Just my thoughts. One side has been quite, one side has tried to point the finger at everyone else. When it come time to put up or shut up, the side that has been so eager to talk, shuts up. Sometime the truth will set you free, other times it will lock you up. Time for another cook out?
Beautiful!
Anonymous

Centertown, KY

#416 Sep 3, 2012
Lol! Well said Two Cents!
in the know

Eddyville, KY

#417 Sep 3, 2012
wow wrote:
How can fiscal court or our county know anything or accuse anyone of misuse of fund or tampering. They just failed an audit. They had no ledger or an account of the money coming in or going out.
notice that was the tax administrator. Check the last two audits. Just the same
Claude Balls

United States

#418 Sep 3, 2012
Claude Balls wrote:
That would be a lack of receipts and deposits, changes in entries or no entries or receipts for withdrawals.
They audit the whole thing not just part and it and if it doesn't balance then someone has to account for what is missing and where the money went.
Folllow the money.
HAND
HaHa CB wannabe!!

Thank you for your expert(?) opinion about the audit.

I am not an accountant so will not comment on the subject.

If you had a valid opinion, I expect you would use your own name.

HAND!!

CB
JKMillss

Dunmor, KY

#419 Sep 3, 2012
No one is going to vote anyone out of office. Wait and see. The ones in there now will be in there for as long as they want. Bridgie Miller (a lazy do-nothing) has been there almost 20 yrs. Brock will be there forever too.
wow

United States

#420 Sep 4, 2012
My Two Cents wrote:
I don't see a connection, the audit has nothing to do with the Criminal Indictment? Seems like someone is trying to take the heat off the Indicted party? I am curious that someone who claims to be wrongfully accused and eager to proclaim their innocence, had the chance to tell their side, but instead chose to file paperwork so she wouldn't have to prejudice herself. I would think someone with nothing to hide would love to show her proof? Just my thoughts. One side has been quite, one side has tried to point the finger at everyone else. When it come time to put up or shut up, the side that has been so eager to talk, shuts up. Sometime the truth will set you free, other times it will lock you up. Time for another cook out?
She requested her employment hearings be held after the trial. Would you wanna play a football game and let the other team know all your plays before the game? No! Same principle here. As for a connection. If the county records and money has not been kept in up to date order and they have no knowledge or record what money comes in or goes out no ledger up to date. Then how can you ever prove any records were tampered with. If the finances are in that bad an order then how would you know if anyone took money or gave extra hours. No connection to the indictments? Are you stupid or just stubborn and hoping abby is guilty
just wondering

Benton, KY

#421 Sep 4, 2012
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
She requested her employment hearings be held after the trial. Would you wanna play a football game and let the other team know all your plays before the game? No! Same principle here. As for a connection. If the county records and money has not been kept in up to date order and they have no knowledge or record what money comes in or goes out no ledger up to date. Then how can you ever prove any records were tampered with. If the finances are in that bad an order then how would you know if anyone took money or gave extra hours. No connection to the indictments? Are you stupid or just stubborn and hoping abby is guilty
Can't believe I find myself having to defend Caldwell County. Here is the part of the audit that refers to missing ledger. As I said earlier it had nothing to do with the Animal Shelter.

Lack of adequate internal controls over the collection of and accounting for occupational and net profits taxes. During testing of occupational and net profit taxes, we noted that no occupational tax subsidiary ledger was maintained, there were missing tax returns for three employers, documentation of when tax returns were received is inconsistent, some returns are dated several weeks prior to the date they were stamped received, tax returns are not processed daily, receipts are not deposited daily, delinquent net profit and occupational taxes are not maintained nor are the delinquent taxes collected. The occupational tax administrator maintains all occupational and net profit tax records, prepares deposits, and posts receipts with no one else reviewing tax collections or postings. When the occupational tax administrator is absent, deposits are not made nor are returns processed. We viewed a large amount of unprocessed returns that were left locked in the occupational tax administrator’s office. The control deficiency described above is considered to be significant and material
just wondering

Benton, KY

#422 Sep 4, 2012
And here is the recommendation from the Auditors on how to correct the problem.

We recommend tax forms be attached to envelopes received in, occupational tax ledger be maintained and printed at year end, occupational tax payer files should be updated, deposits be made daily, occupational tax returns be processed when received, and collection of delinquent taxes be attempted. Someone independent of the occupational tax office should prepare a mail receipts listing and review daily receipts received. These processes should be reviewed by someone other than the occupational tax administrator and the review should be documented

Notice NOWHERE does it say that anything is missing.
Watchin the croney circus

Playa Del Carmen, Mexico

#423 Sep 4, 2012
From from you quoted out of the newspaper, there are things missing......several things---tax returns fro three employers, no occupational tax subsidiary ledger was maintained (so it's missing), and also it said delinquent taxes were not collected, so they are missing as well. When an auditor finds something wrong and notes a control deficiency, if they say "hey, you need to fix this so that there are no possibilities of things going wrong in the future, then what they are recommending you to fix is insignificant and immaterial (an unqualified audit, which is what you want) but when they find something wrong and qualify it as significant and material, then you've got a real problem on your hands. I never said that I thought the audit itself was directly tied to the money handling operation of the animal shelter.......all I meant was that if, and that is a big "if", anyone, including Abby, knew that the fiscal courts record keeping was in such shambles.....well, maybe that was the Skelton in the closet, so to speak, that made the fiscal court folks want her out.......I'm not saying that's the reason....I'm just wondering if it could have had anything at all to do with this whole thing. Maybe it didn't, but it sure smells funny. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
truth

Cadiz, KY

#424 Sep 4, 2012
just wondering wrote:
And here is the recommendation from the Auditors on how to correct the problem.
We recommend tax forms be attached to envelopes received in, occupational tax ledger be maintained and printed at year end, occupational tax payer files should be updated, deposits be made daily, occupational tax returns be processed when received, and collection of delinquent taxes be attempted. Someone independent of the occupational tax office should prepare a mail receipts listing and review daily receipts received. These processes should be reviewed by someone other than the occupational tax administrator and the review should be documented
Notice NOWHERE does it say that anything is missing.
My question is, How long does it take to make these changes? The last several audits have listed these same things and other things that need to be changed and corrected but still they have not been addressed. Is it because someone refuses to do things right because they have something to hide? Is it because there is no leadership in the courthouse that will make sure these changes are made? Does that office holder know something on the other office holders that keeps them from enforcing the recommendations? Is there evidence of missing money or county property or inapporiate purchases like has happened in the past and maybe continuing to happen? It all smells like cover up and corruption! It may not directly be with the animal shelter but it sure is a bigger problem with the county. Hey, I have always heard history repeats itself and I guess that is true here too.
just wondering

Benton, KY

#425 Sep 4, 2012
I stand corrected. What I should have said is there was no money missing. Tax returns, subsidiary ledger, delinquent taxes are missing but since the delinquent taxes are the only thing that could be received as money and not accounted for, that would be the only money that could be missing. But since the Auditor states there is no attempt made to collect the delinquent taxes that means they most likely are not missing just not collected.

I'm sure that Abby called the State Auditor and they notified the auditors from Kem and Duguid who in turn found out all these discrepancies and now Abby has to go. Really?

If you believe that than Elvis really still is alive and living in Kalamazoo Michigan. Auditors find things wrong everyday from every county and city. What do you think there job is? They examine the way you do business and make recommendations on how you can improve.

Watchin the croney circus

Playa Del Carmen, Mexico

#426 Sep 4, 2012
Truth, you have brought up some interesting and excellent questions.......how long DOES it take? I don't really know,but I do know that it shouldn't be a repeat concern on the next years audit. Who are the people that the fiscal court report to? The city council? The mayor? I honestly don't know, but it would be interesting to find out. Because whoever the board is, or the councilman or person.....whoever....that is "in charge of" overseeing the fiscal court......that's who is also dropping the ball, or covering up. I think all of the reasons you stated above are probably right on target. That's Princeton for ya. Sure, there are some good things about living in a small town....I dont dispute that. But, the bad thing about small towns is usually that they are run like a club instead of a town or city. If you aree friends with the insiders, you can get away with murder, and if you are on the outside of the circle, you will have to pay the piper for even the SLIGHTEST misstep....and sometimes, you don't even have to do anything wrong at all......all you have to do is make the wrong person mad or a little upset, and if someone wants you out, then they do whatever is necessary (right or wrong) to get you out. I've seen it happen over and over in Princeton through the years and in other towns too. Sounds like a classic case of cronyism, bullying and coverup to me. I used to think that bullying nonsense only happened with is in schoolmate but sadly I'm seeing that adults (if you want to call them that) do it to when they want to get their way and they know don't have a leg to stand on. They resort to intimidation, threatening, and bullying to get things to be the way they want. I guess back in the old days it happened all the time, people just were not aware of it because it was way easier to keep it all hush hush. But in this day and age where you have Internet, Facebook, and things like topic, you just can't operate behind the curtain anymore and so it's all exposed for everyone in town to know. Too bad for the old cronies in the Princeton, Caldwell gov. I have a funny feeling that some things are going to change big time.
just wondering

Benton, KY

#427 Sep 4, 2012
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
My question is, How long does it take to make these changes? The last several audits have listed these same things and other things that need to be changed and corrected but still they have not been addressed. Is it because someone refuses to do things right because they have something to hide? Is it because there is no leadership in the courthouse that will make sure these changes are made? Does that office holder know something on the other office holders that keeps them from enforcing the recommendations? Is there evidence of missing money or county property or inapporiate purchases like has happened in the past and maybe continuing to happen? It all smells like cover up and corruption! It may not directly be with the animal shelter but it sure is a bigger problem with the county. Hey, I have always heard history repeats itself and I guess that is true here too.
I looked back at last years and it looks like they copied it for this year. You are correct. How long does it take? It appears no attempt has been made to address the problems.

Which really proves one thing. It isn't a big conspiracy that Abby had some kind of inside information that she exposed on the County to the auditors and now she needs to go.
just wondering

Benton, KY

#428 Sep 4, 2012
Watchin the croney circus wrote:
Truth, you have brought up some interesting and excellent questions.......how long DOES it take? I don't really know,but I do know that it shouldn't be a repeat concern on the next years audit. Who are the people that the fiscal court report to? The city council? The mayor? I honestly don't know, but it would be interesting to find out. Because whoever the board is, or the councilman or person.....whoever....that is "in charge of" overseeing the fiscal court......that's who is also dropping the ball, or covering up. I think all of the reasons you stated above are probably right on target. That's Princeton for ya. Sure, there are some good things about living in a small town....I dont dispute that. But, the bad thing about small towns is usually that they are run like a club instead of a town or city. If you aree friends with the insiders, you can get away with murder, and if you are on the outside of the circle, you will have to pay the piper for even the SLIGHTEST misstep....and sometimes, you don't even have to do anything wrong at all......all you have to do is make the wrong person mad or a little upset, and if someone wants you out, then they do whatever is necessary (right or wrong) to get you out. I've seen it happen over and over in Princeton through the years and in other towns too. Sounds like a classic case of cronyism, bullying and coverup to me. I used to think that bullying nonsense only happened with is in schoolmate but sadly I'm seeing that adults (if you want to call them that) do it to when they want to get their way and they know don't have a leg to stand on. They resort to intimidation, threatening, and bullying to get things to be the way they want. I guess back in the old days it happened all the time, people just were not aware of it because it was way easier to keep it all hush hush. But in this day and age where you have Internet, Facebook, and things like topic, you just can't operate behind the curtain anymore and so it's all exposed for everyone in town to know. Too bad for the old cronies in the Princeton, Caldwell gov. I have a funny feeling that some things are going to change big time.
The County Judge Executive and the Magistrates are is charge of County business and Fiscal Court.
Watchin the croney circus

Playa Del Carmen, Mexico

#429 Sep 4, 2012
I never said that she had some kind of inside information that she gave to the auditors. I said that maybe she knows specifics about their wrongdoings and lack of documentation, and that's why they wanted her out. Maybe she doesn't know anything. I prefaced everything with maybe.......I didn't say this is a conspiracy with Abby. It may have absolutely not one thing to do with it whatsoever. You could be right. But don't you think it's a little weird that these things are all happening right in line with one another, one right after another????? Just seems suspect to me...just saying
Watchin the croney circus

Playa Del Carmen, Mexico

#430 Sep 4, 2012
The county judge executive is the head of fiscal court.....what I'm wondering is who is above the fiscal court in the chain of command

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