confusion

Nashville, TN

#85 Jul 31, 2012
WOW: I agree with you that I have "no clue" about industry and restaurants. And no one else knows that for sure either. My observation is simply that it hasn't happened in other places because of voting wet. One side says that there will be drunks lying in the streets and major crime. That is a lie, and they know it. The other side says there will be great prosperity, jobs, and attractions. That is a lie, and they know it. And for the record, I frankly don't give a flip how the vote comes out because I don't think it will amount to any significant change. Little towns like Princeton are dying everywhere. Some of them 'dry' and some of them "wet." Last one out, turn out the lights.
WhatchaYouGonnaD o

Crofton, KY

#86 Jul 31, 2012
Well I can tell you right now the American Legion VFW and Eagles and Elks are all pushing the they vote NO to any alcohol sales in Caldwell County.
They are trying to say that if is goes wet, they will lose their van, tha they won't be able to donate to the nursing homes, school, and parks.
The fact is they can still donate anything they want to but they will have to claim the income of alcohol sales and have to pay taxes on it. So if they have to do that,then they won't donate to the other.
This is one of the best descriptions of a brib I have ever seen.
Don't you people have enough sense to realize if you don't operate within the law you won't operate at all. They will shut you down this time permanently. You can't keep doing what you been doing for years any longer it is comint to an end.
This is beside the fact that Rhodney Heaton is trying to get it voted wet and you people know that
Don't you people understand that if it doesn't go wet and you refusecome into compliance with the law ABC will shut you down permanently not just for a week and you open right back up. They will keep popping it to you until you have no other choice but to close.
Sad

United States

#87 Jul 31, 2012
You have an attorney a high school teacher along with many churches leading this campaign to vote no. Yet not once has any of these groups spoke out against the fact these clubs sell alcohol. Their reasoning is based mainly because they want to keep our youth safe. Yet one of the ones most active clubs in pur town sits next to a play ground and youth baseball and softball fields. Where was/is their concern when its not election time?
Claude Balls

United States

#88 Jul 31, 2012
Sad wrote:
You have an attorney a high school teacher along with many churches leading this campaign to vote no. Yet not once has any of these groups spoke out against the fact these clubs sell alcohol. Their reasoning is based mainly because they want to keep our youth safe. Yet one of the ones most active clubs in pur town sits next to a play ground and youth baseball and softball fields. Where was/is their concern when its not election time?
For your information, the baseball field belongs to the VFW.

The VFW has allowed the baseball field be used at no cost since

The forties.

I was at the meeting when Bridgie Miller (attorney for the school)

brought in a new ten year lease which gave the school use of the

ball field for zero rent.

CB
Serieta Jaggers

Greenville, KY

#89 Jul 31, 2012
I agree that Princeton will not attract a lot of the chain restaurants or big hotels. However, there is already serious interst from two excellent restaurants. They are not chains but they have great food. They will have employees who are hired locally. The restaurants will pay taxes and the employees will support families. They will here, buy groceries and other goods here. We have to start small and it will take a while but look at it this way--what have we got to lose??? If voting NO would attract anything there might be a reason to say no to alcohol. Has the NO group made ANY suggestions on how to grow the economy, keep our young people here or deal with the illegal sales of alcohol? The answer of course is no. Progress for Princeton and others have been quitely working outside of the community to interest restaurants and believe that we can grow the community. If someone else has a better idea please speak up!!
Town Drunk

Owensboro, KY

#90 Jul 31, 2012
I DO!!! Reduce the over-population. Put an end to polution, global warming, war, welfare, lying politicins, greedy politicians and fatcat C.E.O.'s, drug gangs and the violence associated with them, meth heads, crackheads and just all the low-life misfits in the world. Screw the wet/dry vote. This world has much bigger problems that need to be addressed or else we won't be leaving much to future generations. Hell start by blowing the muslim terrorist off the map.
Town Drunk

Owensboro, KY

#91 Jul 31, 2012
Sorry it posted twice but it's worth repeating!!!
PIMP

Dunmor, KY

#92 Jul 31, 2012
I walked in the door a few minutes ago from my trip to Dawson to get some beer. Didn't see a single drunk laying out in the street, walking down the street or laying on the sidewalk.
WhatchaYouGonnaD o

Crofton, KY

#93 Jul 31, 2012

Serieta you know the direction that Princeton is headed at it present state and economy. People moving out, because there is no potential there for the kids or the parents alike but these people think that staying stagnent in a ses pool of corruption and not letting things progress or grow because they are afraid that someone is going to get some benefit out of it and they won't. The clique that everyone else is better than their neighbor or not in their little clique.The refusal to accept that things need to change and you have to start some place. They still want to fight each other instead of even tryig to work together for a solution. It's insanity.
They are afraid that Heaton will make money off the sale of alcohol. So what if he does, do any of these other so called do gooders have the initial money investment to open a liquor store? NO, but at the same time they want to block someone else from doing something.
And if the vote does not pass they can't see that things won't remain the way that they are and have been for years. It's already been exposed to the public for their opinions of the clubs and no one agrees with them operating illegally anymore and if an elected official supports this illegal activity then they should be demanded to resign immediately because they are just as guilty for concealing it as the ones doing it.
I personally have my own agenda and it isn't going to make any difference if it goes wet or if it says dry. If it staying dry it would benefit me. I honestly believe that it won't pass but if it doesn't then the clubs should be forced to close to prevent them from bootlegging any longer and violating the law and openly condoned for it.
Town Drunk

Owensboro, KY

#94 Jul 31, 2012
I think most folks hate to see someone make a legit profit with a wet vote from dirty money made in the past. If a person runs businesses all over town that came about from crooked deeds then that doesn't miraculously make it clean now. Sorta like the Kennedy's father making their fortune from bootlegging.
Sad

United States

#95 Jul 31, 2012
Claude Balls wrote:
<quoted text>
For your information, the baseball field belongs to the VFW.
The VFW has allowed the baseball field be used at no cost since
The forties.
I was at the meeting when Bridgie Miller (attorney for the school)
brought in a new ten year lease which gave the school use of the
ball field for zero rent.
CB
Your just as ignorant as jk just less names. Go back and read what that post was about. While your at it drive by those fields and see what the name of that park is. It was donated to the CITY years ago. So what ever meeting you were at wasn't about the vfw allowing rent free games. Now what i was saying in my post earlier let me simplify it in Mickey mouse terms. Those leading the vote no campaign are worried about it affecting children. Yet say nothing any other time when there have neen illegal alcohol sales a hundred feet from a youth complex.
Serieta Jaggers

Greenville, KY

#96 Jul 31, 2012
Frankly, if I had my way, (and it was legal), I would have no problem with the VFW, the American Legion and the Elks continuing to operate as they have in the past. Those groups are made up, by and large, of good people. They donate money to the community and mind their own business. They have probably sponsored more youth activities than any other organization in the county other than Youth, Inc. In most cities they are legal and no one thinks anything about it. I respect the veterans and appreciate what they have done for this country. If they want a drink it is OK with me. The Elks is made up of good people as well. I respect that organization for the work for youth and the scholarships they provide. It is sad that we have to be in this position due to the laws that exist.
own Drunk

Owensboro, KY

#97 Jul 31, 2012
So your saying that if it's a vet or so-called one of the "good people" it's okay to drive from one place to the other having one, two, or three drinks at each then driving home with a pretty good buzz going on?
Town Drunk

Owensboro, KY

#98 Jul 31, 2012
I must be drunk...^ ^ ^
Santa Clause

United States

#100 Aug 1, 2012
If it doesn't pass this time around, then I guess we will have to wait for all the old people that vote no to die out. Sad but true. Plus I believe it should be a right to buy a beer in your own town. Vote no people are like Hitler.! And I hate it when I see these people at oasis or any placd else that serves alcohol. They ard hipocrits.! Yes I drink beer and I controll myself, yes I go to church, and yes I thing everyone should vote yes! People need to worry more about their kids out doing drugs and haveing sex all the time and getting knocked up at age 16... Oh and be more worried about all these gays trying to get married. That's way worse than drinking a beer.
Town Drunk

Owensboro, KY

#101 Aug 1, 2012
Vets are no different than any other group of people. There's good and there's bad. I know of vets that are amoung the biggest drunks and drug users. I know of vets that would rob you in a heartbeat. Many vets are just that because a judge offered them a choice of joining up or going to jail. But I guess some people think they deserve preferential treatment. As for the Elks there are people out there that like to look down their nose at other folks thinking they are more uppity when they aren't any better than anyone else. Still in a lot of cases some of these bar patrons are driving on town and county roads, from one place to another, having a few drinls at each one.
thats just how it is

Hopkinsville, KY

#102 Aug 1, 2012
wet or dry this town sucks and i cant wait to leave
WhatchaYouGonnaD o

Crofton, KY

#103 Aug 1, 2012
So what are you gonna do send out a list of names of people that it's okay for them to break the law and pat them on the back for it and say they're good people.
Exactly which laws is it that it's okay to break and not the others. If so why is there laws anyway if it only applies to a few and not all.
The ultimate descrimination. The power of the elite by racist, bigots, sexist, and no scrupples or values to equality of human rights.
If Princeton is so determined NO alcohol then they need to work on closing all the places down that have or serve alcohol. All across the board not okay for one but not another.
The clubs don't want it to go wet because they would have to pay taxes, workmens comp on employees, keep accurate records of profits and sales, pay $1500.00 a year for license renewals, abide by labor laws and descrimination.
OOh oooooh. There is the biggie. They would not be able to out and out descriminate against members because of their color and they are not going to let that happen. How many black members do you see or know of that goes to any of these clubs. NONE not a single one and they won't let it happen either. They may serve with someone in the service but they do not want them in their private little clubs because they think they are better than them. They don't want black men talking to white women. I am surprised that the NAACP and the American Civil Liberties Union hasn't already been boycotting the clubs because they are racist.
Like it or not they want to continue in their 100 year old mind set, it's not all about alcohol sales as it is descrimination and control.
WhatchaYouGonnaD o

Crofton, KY

#104 Aug 1, 2012
Town Drunk wrote:
Vets are no different than any other group of people. There's good and there's bad. I know of vets that are amoung the biggest drunks and drug users. I know of vets that would rob you in a heartbeat. Many vets are just that because a judge offered them a choice of joining up or going to jail. But I guess some people think they deserve preferential treatment. As for the Elks there are people out there that like to look down their nose at other folks thinking they are more uppity when they aren't any better than anyone else. Still in a lot of cases some of these bar patrons are driving on town and county roads, from one place to another, having a few drinls at each one.
You are right there are good and bad people in whatever circumstnces you are in. It's bad though when you have a handful that controls and dictates to people what they themselves consider acceptable while breaking the law themselves and looking down on someone that hasn't even came close to committing the offences that the one doing the judging has done. Perfect example judge sentencing one person to high jail time when they are committing the same offence as the one they are setting in judgment of and getting by with it. There is no equality there.
If it's voted NO then shut them all down, no exception and fine them not $300 or $400 dollars and them open back up the next week. Impose fines and penalties that will really have consequences and keep doing it until it is not feasable for them to operate because it would cost them so much more than they would ever make off of the club staying open and selling alcohol illegally.
That's all the judges have ever done before, a minimal fine and the clubs pays the bartenders fines and open right back up the next week. Same offences over and over again and expecting a different outcome. That's insanity.
who cares

White Plains, KY

#105 Aug 2, 2012
WhatchaYouGonnaDo wrote:
Well I can tell you right now the American Legion VFW and Eagles and Elks are all pushing the they vote NO to any alcohol sales in Caldwell County.
They are trying to say that if is goes wet, they will lose their van, tha they won't be able to donate to the nursing homes, school, and parks.
The fact is they can still donate anything they want to but they will have to claim the income of alcohol sales and have to pay taxes on it. So if they have to do that,then they won't donate to the other.
This is one of the best descriptions of a brib I have ever seen.
Don't you people have enough sense to realize if you don't operate within the law you won't operate at all. They will shut you down this time permanently. You can't keep doing what you been doing for years any longer it is comint to an end.
This is beside the fact that Rhodney Heaton is trying to get it voted wet and you people know that
Don't you people understand that if it doesn't go wet and you refusecome into compliance with the law ABC will shut you down permanently not just for a week and you open right back up. They will keep popping it to you until you have no other choice but to close.
Wrong, the legion, vfw, etc., donation come from money from their gambling machines, and fun raisers. And look at how much Dawson Springs now recieve from the Legion, almost zero b/c they can't afford to donate b/c they don't have the money from the machines.
Yes, Rodney Heaton is going around telling people that he is going to get the licenses and alot of other crap. Unless it is voted wet, the ABC can't come into a private club without permission. However if it does go wet, the ABC and police department can come and go as the please with or without permission.

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