A case not quite closed?

Mar 7, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Hopewell News

James Randall Helms and Valerie Schmalz were found dead in a trailer in the 900 block of North 21st Avenue April 16, 2008.

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Sorry Townie

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Mar 17, 2009
 
Those things you mentioned about Toni and Vince are facts. Nothing wrong with spreading the truth. Unless you are afraid of it, I guess?
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Mar 17, 2009
 
Sorry Townie wrote:
Those things you mentioned about Toni and Vince are facts. Nothing wrong with spreading the truth. Unless you are afraid of it, I guess?
I would not necessarily use the word spread when referring to the truth because one spreads rumors and states the facts. I certainly am not afraid of the truth because that is what these families need right now, that and memories is all they have left. Anyway What makes these things facts? Are they in the police report? Were you there to witness these acts?
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Mar 17, 2009
 
Townie wrote:
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You said God will be the judge if you truly believe that then do you condone comments made on here that point fingers at others, that make allegations, that tell of others personal business, and start vicious rumors?
Also, are you saying Toni climbed in and out of the trailer two times, Toni stayed in the trailer an hour before calling the police, and that Vince did not stay at the crime scene "as told by the police". These are all facts stated in the police report? Not part of this crime but what about the comment made in this forum that Shannon left town because she knew something about Doc's murder. Is this a fact too? If they are not facts then they are rumors and therefore making these people victims due to defamation of character. I would like to add that Valerie, a victim in this, was a child of God and is in heaven with her Father and Maker.u obviously need to be enlightened so might i suggest u go to courts and pull the records for your so called defamed victims u can start with toni but brace yourself she has some violence then u can move on to your next victim rusty u may want to sit down for this one as he is currently encarcerated and suprising to u he has quite the record for violent behavior hmm imagine that.
this is all by the way public info. just so u know randy was bringing valerie to the church of god in hopewell.
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Mar 17, 2009
 
Townie wrote:
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I would not necessarily use the word spread when referring to the truth because one spreads rumors and states the facts. I certainly am not afraid of the truth because that is what these families need right now, that and memories is all they have left. Anyway What makes these things facts? Are they in the police report? Were you there to witness these acts?
Yes, its a FACT that Vincent Grise and Toni Daniels were there at the trailer for one hour before calling the police. Anything else you need to know? Or do you want to just try and relax while your conscience continues to eat at you?

See you in 15 minutes :)
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Mar 17, 2009
 
missing u wrote:
<quoted text>this is all by the way public info. just so u know randy was bringing valerie to the church of god in hopewell.
In your initial reply to me you stated “randy was a child of god “. Well as with many of the comments made in this forum everything appears much skewed. If you knew Valerie was attending church then why did your comment not say that Randy and Valerie were BOTH children of God? I only added about Valerie so others who read this would know that she did believe and because of her faith was in heaven with God.
What exactly do you mean this is all public information? Are you referring to the parts regarding Toni and Vince? If so, then PLEASE tell me where this is so I can see the "facts" for myself.
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Mar 17, 2009
 
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Yes, its a FACT that Vincent Grise and Toni Daniels were there at the trailer for one hour before calling the police. Anything else you need to know? Or do you want to just try and relax while your conscience continues to eat at you?
See you in 15 minutes :)
Okay, so you say it is fact, but a fact is something that can be proven. So, what or where is your proof? That is what I previously asked in my reply to you; “what makes these things facts?”
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Mar 17, 2009
 
Ask Vince or Toni since you know both of them.

You can't stand it can you?:)
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Mar 17, 2009
 
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<quoted text>this is all by the way public info. just so u know randy was bringing valerie to the church of god in hopewell.
u obviously need to enlightened so might i suggest u go to courts and pull the records for your so called defamed victims u can start with toni but brace yourself she has some violence than you can move on to your next victim rusty u may want to sit down for this one as he is currently encarcerated and suprising to u he has quite the record for violent behavior hmm imagine that
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Mar 17, 2009
 
And may the family of Randy remind you that when the HPD released press statements BEFORE the crime scene had been secured-(which was 2 days later from the day they were found) that Randy had murdered Valerie and then taken his own life, and BEFORE any test results had been received by the medical examiner-to us, that was defamation of character to Randy. The items you refer to were stated to the family by the detectives of the HPD. We didn't pull these statements out of the air or in denial of anything. Get your facts straight before assuming that the family is pointing fingers. All we want is the truth to come out-all of it and that is why we want the case file. The case is closed according to HPD so it won't jeopardize any pending cases.
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Mar 17, 2009
 
Sorry Townie wrote:
Ask Vince or Toni since you know both of them.
You can't stand it can you?:)
Let me start by setting the record straight; I do not personally know Toni or Vince. And the only thing I can’t stand is people reported things as facts that are nothing more than allegations they made up. I do however want to thank you for proving the point I made in the first posting..... these are all RUMORS. You cannot provide where the FACTS came from because they are not facts at all. So based on your beliefs, prejudices and animosity of others you have taken a tragic situation and made it worse by spread rumors about others. I am not trying to find the truth of the matter here as that is the job of others. I just want anyone who visits this forum and reads the comments to understand that several people, regardless if they have a record or not, are being slandered here without an iota of verifiable FACT.
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missing u wrote:
<quoted text>u obviously need to enlightened so might i suggest u go to courts and pull the records for your so called defamed victims u can start with toni but brace yourself she has some violence than you can move on to your next victim rusty u may want to sit down for this one as he is currently encarcerated and suprising to u he has quite the record for violent behavior hmm imagine that
Okay I am very confused because you stated earlier that Randy and Valerie were the only ones you considered to be victims and “all the comments u have read are in the police records u may want to check them out they r FACTS!” However in the same reply you say that the family simply wants information that the Commonwealth will not release. So were the police records released or not? The second thing I do not understand is you are now saying that the facts are the criminal records of some of those I previously mentioned. Well where does one’s past indiscretions prove facts in this particular case. Are you saying because some of them have criminal records then they must have been part of this crime? Again I go back to Matthew 7:1.
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Mar 17, 2009
 
Kat Hopewell VA wrote:
And may the family of Randy remind you that when the HPD released press statements BEFORE the crime scene had been secured-(which was 2 days later from the day they were found) that Randy had murdered Valerie and then taken his own life, and BEFORE any test results had been received by the medical examiner-to us, that was defamation of character to Randy. The items you refer to were stated to the family by the detectives of the HPD. We didn't pull these statements out of the air or in denial of anything. Get your facts straight before assuming that the family is pointing fingers. All we want is the truth to come out-all of it and that is why we want the case file. The case is closed according to HPD so it won't jeopardize any pending cases.
I have never said that what the police did in the beginning was appropriate. I agree that the premature press release could be seen as a defamation of character, however was the case not closed as a murder/suicide? I am going to guess that you are a family member but is everyone on here making comments family members? If not then could there not be allegations, rumors and finger pointing by others? I have no idea who is family and who is not, but what I do know is that there is information posted about others that cannot be substantiated. If you read back through my comments I have never assumed that “the family” was pointing fingers, just that some comments seem to be making allegations. Lastly if all the family wants is the truth then why not start by “setting the record straight” and squashing the rumors with what is known to be true? You said that the family seeing the record would not jeopardize the case, but don’t false accusations make finding the truth even harder?
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Mar 17, 2009
 
Townie wrote:
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Okay I am very confused because you stated earlier that Randy and Valerie were the only ones you considered to be victims and “all the comments u have read are in the police records u may want to check them out they r FACTS!” However in the same reply you say that the family simply wants information that the Commonwealth will not release. So were the police records released or not? The second thing I do not understand is you are now saying that the facts are the criminal records of some of those I previously mentioned. Well where does one’s past indiscretions prove facts in this particular case. Are you saying because some of them have criminal records then they must have been part of this crime? Again I go back to Matthew 7:1.
the families were updated with all aspects of this case all of these things have been mentioned as far as toni's statements to the police this is factual in a report taken by the detective however there are alot of descreprencies in the case such as the bloody towels found 4 months later which was third party blood again in police reports. witness reports stating rusty and toni were at the crime scene at 6am the day this was reported.vince refusing to wait for police to arrive also in police reports shown to the families. problem is in order for the families to proceed with this case we need the files which we should by all rights have access to but commonwealth attny is denying.
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Mar 18, 2009
 
Townie wrote:
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I have never said that what the police did in the beginning was appropriate. I agree that the premature press release could be seen as a defamation of character, however was the case not closed as a murder/suicide? I am going to guess that you are a family member but is everyone on here making comments family members? If not then could there not be allegations, rumors and finger pointing by others? I have no idea who is family and who is not, but what I do know is that there is information posted about others that cannot be substantiated. If you read back through my comments I have never assumed that “the family” was pointing fingers, just that some comments seem to be making allegations. Lastly if all the family wants is the truth then why not start by “setting the record straight” and squashing the rumors with what is known to be true? You said that the family seeing the record would not jeopardize the case, but don’t false accusations make finding the truth even harder?
Vincent Grise of 2610 Grant St in Hopewell, was with Toni Daniels of 217 S 14th Ave, Hopewell, at the trailer for an hour after discovering the bodies.

That's a fact. What their reason was for having spent an hour with two dead bodies for is unknown. Them being there however, is fact.
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Mar 19, 2009
 
Sorry Townie wrote:
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Vincent Grise of 2610 Grant St in Hopewell, was with Toni Daniels of 217 S 14th Ave, Hopewell, at the trailer for an hour after discovering the bodies.
That's a fact. What their reason was for having spent an hour with two dead bodies for is unknown. Them being there however, is fact.
I am not disputing the FACT that they were there. I have since talked to someone who does know these people and was informed that from the time the bodies were discovered to the time police were called was a matter of minutes, however it took the police 15 to 20 minutes to respond.
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Mar 19, 2009
 
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I am not disputing the FACT that they were there. I have since talked to someone who does know these people and was informed that from the time the bodies were discovered to the time police were called was a matter of minutes, however it took the police 15 to 20 minutes to respond.
There's only a slight problem with this.

If you talked to someone who knew Toni, you would've known she admitted to the detectives that she was there for an hour before contacting the police.

If you talked to someone who knew Vince you would've found that he wouldn't have known when the police actually showed up because on the 911 tape he tells them he's not staying there to wait on a deputy to show up and he took off before they arrived.

Interesting... Anything else you'd like to share?
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#37
Mar 19, 2009
 
What would it matter if the case is solved? Hopewell has a Commonwealth Attorney that doesn't prosecute!

I've watched the court records over the past few years and he is constantly letting people go. Take a look at Rontell Taylor's criminal history. Violent crimes that went un-prosecuted leading all the way up until he murdered someone. I bet he gets away with that too!
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#38
Mar 19, 2009
 
it would matter if you knew the whole mess was a cover up. the fact that his wallet and keys and shoes were missing the lights were out he had a clean white new rope around his neck no stains and he did not believe in suiside and all who knew him know he would have never hurt valerie. these are facts. also all the trash was gone and not even an ash tray or cigarette but was to be found. the truth will come out. valeries family all stated they did not believe randy did it.
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Mar 19, 2009
 
Townie wrote:
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You said God will be the judge if you truly believe that then do you condone comments made on here that point fingers at others, that make allegations, that tell of others personal business, and start vicious rumors?
Also, are you saying Toni climbed in and out of the trailer two times, Toni stayed in the trailer an hour before calling the police, and that Vince did not stay at the crime scene "as told by the police". These are all facts stated in the police report? Not part of this crime but what about the comment made in this forum that Shannon left town because she knew something about Doc's murder. Is this a fact too? If they are not facts then they are rumors and therefore making these people victims due to defamation of character. I would like to add that Valerie, a victim in this, was a child of God and is in heaven with her Father and Maker.
Townie you get me. Sorry but you should also read the rest of that chapter. Not only read your bible but study and meditate on it. We do not judge the heart. Chapter 7:15 states if you do not judge the actions you will not realize who is true and who is false. The people that you mentioned as being the victims of lies and rumors just really gave me a laugh. I know a couple of them. I have seen some of them lie and steal to get the drugs they want, so how can you be so sure that they didnt go further? Unless you are one of the people that you mentioned. With the facts that the family has been given, nothing adds up. Someone in that trailor park knows more than they are saying. Whoever did this will have a judgement day. I just pray whoever did this has time to truely repent and live for the lord. If not satan has another soul and thats sad.
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Mar 19, 2009
 
pete wrote:
<quoted text>who did the police tell this to? they did not release any info yet to the families.
Yes fact can come from a persons mouth, if your not a liar.

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