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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 166364 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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juggalo

United States

#82002 Jul 5, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I've been telling you...
It aint make believe!
God is real!
I will tell you again tomorrow too!
I heard once that a sign of craziness is doing the same thing over and over ,and expecting different results ..so when you come back tomorrow could you change it up a little bit ? You might not look so crazy then ...but ..then again I think you're on here not to convince others , but to keep yourself convinced " pumped up" so to speak .don't you think its strange that you're on here everyday reassuring your faith , and its still no larger than a mustard seed ? When was the last time you made a mountain move just by telling it to ?
wrong

Manchester, KY

#82003 Jul 5, 2012
one day u guys will see that its the same story, science and religion... they are just told differently

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#82004 Jul 5, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I've been telling you...
It aint make believe!
God is real!
I will tell you again tomorrow too!
Kewl... I'll need the comic relief tomorrow also...
MirrorMan

Muskegon, MI

#82005 Jul 5, 2012
Known fact wrote:
First EVOLUTION is NOT a proven fact! It is supposed to have happened gradually over millions of years. Since no one was there to see it happen it is exactly what you correctly said,“a theory” which means a wild guess. In other words your guessis as good as mine and if not based on proven facts that is all it can be,a wild guess.
Evolution theory is not exactly a wild guess... It has a large foundation of evidence while creationism which has none.
zilch nada zero

If I have a wild guess that the mailman will come because it is a weekday, I conclude that from some basis of evidence.
If I believe that an alpaca in a wetsuit will stand on my roof at midnight and sing La Traviata, I could believe in creationism, too.
fact

Grayson, KY

#82006 Jul 5, 2012
MirrorMan

Muskegon, MI

#82007 Jul 5, 2012
wrong wrote:
one day u guys will see that its the same story, science and religion... they are just told differently
The same story? Seriously?

The Bible was assembled from collected gospels and texts by several committees starting with the Council of Nicea in 325 and completed (more or less) by the third Council of Carthage in 397. Its oldest book is argued to be Job, written around 1500 BCE and the newest is Revelations, written about 95 AD.

Oxford dictionary definition, Science: the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
juggalo

United States

#82008 Jul 5, 2012
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My favorite Andy "bad guy"
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Amen!
What a Glorious day that'll be!
He played a bad guy in some movie once...
Way out of character... He did well, as he always done, but
you could tell... he didn't like the part!
Not many of the old gang left...
Stupidppl

Harlan, KY

#82009 Jul 5, 2012
Some of you are bout crazy and I will pray for you nothing you can say or prove will ever make me doubt that my savior came and died for me so I could have a chance to live.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of humankind, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18)."

There are many reasons people do not believe in God but it is not because of lack of evidence. People do not believe because of pride or an ignorance of God's Word and His power. Those who are ignorant of God want to be ignorant. They do not want to know Him.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#82010 Jul 5, 2012
Stupidppl wrote:
Some of you are bout crazy and I will pray for you nothing you can say or prove will ever make me doubt that my savior came and died for me so I could have a chance to live.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of humankind, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18)."
There are many reasons people do not believe in God but it is not because of lack of evidence. People do not believe because of pride or an ignorance of God's Word and His power. Those who are ignorant of God want to be ignorant. They do not want to know Him.
Horsey Puckey Doo Doo...
fact

Grayson, KY

#82011 Jul 5, 2012
you ppl base you whole religon on a book wrote by just men not a god if god had wrote the bible there wouldnt be so many mistakes
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#82012 Jul 5, 2012
fact wrote:
you ppl base you whole religon on a book wrote by just men not a god if god had wrote the bible there wouldnt be so many mistakes
you are making an assumption about the nature of the god.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#82013 Jul 5, 2012
Stupidppl wrote:
Some of you are bout crazy and I will pray for you nothing you can say or prove will ever make me doubt that my savior came and died for me so I could have a chance to live.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of humankind, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18)."
There are many reasons people do not believe in God but it is not because of lack of evidence. People do not believe because of pride or an ignorance of God's Word and His power. Those who are ignorant of God want to be ignorant. They do not want to know Him.
interesting that you wrote that "nothing you can say or prove" etc. even proof would not be sufficient to change your mind. that is really devoted!
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#82014 Jul 5, 2012
No Religion wrote:
There is more evidence of science than religion. This planet has been here for billions of years not millions and thanks to evolution we exist. Stephen Hawkins, the smartest man in the world, said there is no creator. Sorry
The argument from authority is usually made by idiots on the other side. first of all, who says Stephen Hawkins (sic) is the smartest man in the world, and how would they know if they were not extremely smart themselves? and how would some smartness or other be relevant to whether that would be useful in knowing whether there is a creator? you are being silly, and extreme, going too far. and then you have the nerve to say "sorry"! it is hard atheists who claim to have knowledge or have proof or to be sure there is go good who give the hope to the silly believers - all they have to do is say "prove it" to you. you can't prove it, nor could a smart man like Stephen Hawkins (sic) prove it. it is very likely beyond proving by any reasonable standardproof, in a reality we as humans cannot reach and maybe can never reach, even with math and science.

all you have to do to be smarter than Stephen Hawkins(sic) is to admit you do not know whether there is a god, and then go and say that personally you doubt it. nonbelief is perfectly respectable if it is not bragging that you know something you don't know.

I keep telling people it is totally unnecessary and even counterproductive and silly, arrogant and hard-headed, to claim to know or to be able to prove there is no god of any sort. All one has to do is challenge a believer in some god to prove that god exists, and the believer will not be able to do it, and then you have won. Once you say you know, then someone asks you to prove it, and you can't, and then you have lost - when you did not have to even play that silly game.

A hard atheist is the name for the foolish ones who claim to know or be able to prove there is no god. an agnostic atheist is the name for the smart ones who do not claim to know, but certainly do not believe in any god. all we have to do is ask any believer to prove that what he believes is true, and we have an easy road - he cannot do it.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#82015 Jul 5, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Hawking said no such thing....
I don't think he did either. Besides, some people say one thing in one context, and a slightly different thing in another context. your other comment was very helpful and well stated, by the way - regarding science.

I still do not know whether you think that not believing is on the same footing with believing. You seem to think believing leads to some sort of arrogant insistence - which it certainly often does, especially in the case of religion. Do you think nonbelief also leads to arrogant insistence? I think the hard atheists who claim to know do not know, and that this makes them arrogant - whereas agnostic (notknowing) atheists (notbelieving) like me are refusing to claim more than we can prove. I have to be careful even when I am phrasing my belief that mankind does not know and cannot prove whether a god exists or not, and my doubt that we can ever know - I have to be careful not to say it will always be beyond us, though that is my opinion. but I don't know it.
MirrorMan

Muskegon, MI

#82016 Jul 5, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> interesting that you wrote that "nothing you can say or prove" etc. even proof would not be sufficient to change your mind. that is really devoted!
"Devoted" isn't quite the word I'd use. I think Beaconsfield would be too uptown for some of these folks.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#82017 Jul 5, 2012
Stupidppl wrote:
Some of you are bout crazy and I will pray for you nothing you can say or prove will ever make me doubt that my savior came and died for me so I could have a chance to live.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of humankind, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18)."
There are many reasons people do not believe in God but it is not because of lack of evidence. People do not believe because of pride or an ignorance of God's Word and His power. Those who are ignorant of God want to be ignorant. They do not want to know Him.
what you mean is that you want a chance to live on as something like yourself after you die - or you want to be raptured up before you die normally, I assume. and for that privilege you want someone to suffer and die. not very nice of you.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#82018 Jul 5, 2012
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I can get on board with this.
I would also add that science needs to be taught from the proper context. I think people assume science is either 100% correct or 100% wrong. But the reality is that all science is provisional...it changes. Every theory we have is conditional. If new evidence challenges the theory then the theory has to change to accommodate it or it has to be replaced with a better theory the way Einstein replaced Newton.
The problem with Fundamentalists is that they do not like that kind of uncertainty. They want the universe to be exact and they want it to be exactly what they think it is. You tell them that a theory is provisional and they will reply that God is not, therefore God is superior. But their belief is not based on anything other than faith, which is not a good foundation for knowledge.
well written. have you seen my criticisms of socalled hard (knowledge-claiming) atheism, versus my praise of what I call agnostic (not-knowing) atheism? I do not know how many real skeptics on here are agnostic atheists, which I think is genuine skepticism. Some atheists word their comments in ways which look like they are making a knowledge claim, when I doubt if they really think they can prove it in an adequate way - they only feel very sure they are correct. This is too much like what the fundy believers do, in saying they know, for my taste. if you say you know, you gotta prove it - either way - is my standard. if you don't say you know, you just challenge the fool who says he does know! the doubter wins, in my view.
Believer

Jamestown, KY

#82019 Jul 5, 2012
Stupidppl wrote:
Some of you are bout crazy and I will pray for you nothing you can say or prove will ever make me doubt that my savior came and died for me so I could have a chance to live.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of humankind, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18)."
There are many reasons people do not believe in God but it is not because of lack of evidence. People do not believe because of pride or an ignorance of God's Word and His power. Those who are ignorant of God want to be ignorant. They do not want to know Him.
They laugh at God. I believe too.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#82020 Jul 5, 2012
MirrorMan wrote:
<quoted text>
"Devoted" isn't quite the word I'd use. I think Beaconsfield would be too uptown for some of these folks.
I used the word devoted in an attempt to get a funny, I admit it.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#82021 Jul 5, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Horsey Puckey Doo Doo...
is that reply something along the lines of occam's razor and the concept of elegance? shortest and simplest says it best?

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