Life-at-fertilization initiative has ...

Life-at-fertilization initiative has hope in Miss.

There are 2671 comments on the Centre Daily Times story from Oct 17, 2011, titled Life-at-fertilization initiative has hope in Miss.. In it, Centre Daily Times reports that:

In this June 6, 2011 file photo, Ezekiel Sowell, 7, right,of Tupelo, Miss., sings during a prayer rally for the Personhood Amendment at the Capitol in Jackson, Miss.

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IRYW

Allentown, PA

#2598 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
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The result of reproduction is a baby..
Actually the result of reproduction is a blastocyst. The baby happens much later.
zef wrote:
<. Cessation of the result of reproduction means killing the baby..
You're the one who wants to play dictionary. Cessation of reproduction would be early withdrawl..........
zef wrote:
<. Since abortion kills the baby that women are pregnant with, and abortion is legal, killing babies is legal.
Anyone else want to point out to this moron the gaping holes in his 'logical' argument?
zef wrote:
<. Abortion has nothing to do with avoiding becoming pregnant.
Correct. That would be contraception or abstinence. Abortion is the legal option for women in the case of unwanted pregnancy.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2599 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text> Agreed.. So why did you make all that other s**t up?
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Actually, judges simply rule on established laws and decide on punishment within guidelines.
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Logic isn't your forte, is it? You can't seem to distinguish between legal and illegal drugs. You can't seem to distinguish between use and abuse. You live in a black and white world. For example, the abuse of legal drugs is demonstrably way more damaging in our society than the responsible use of illegal drugs. In your world, you cannot process that subtlety. Women don't want to 'kill their babies'. You use that phrase to inflame and polarize, not to have a discussion. Women have looked to terminate unwanted pregnancies at least since recorded history and have done so whether it was legal or illegal. The only difference is, when abortion is illegal women often suffer horrible injuries or death from illegal abortions.
Wrong, abortion only kills the baby. Abortion does not harm the mother. The only difference between legal and illegal abortions is illegal abortions are less accessible meaning fewer women will kill their babies with abortion.
sue

Lucedale, MS

#2600 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
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You serve alcohol to minors just because the british tells you its not harmful?
Nobody should ever give a kid alcohol, they become way calmer if you just put a lortab or two in their peanut butter and jelly sandwich or at least let them hit your joint a few times. Serving them alcohol just makes them cranky when they wake up and I just can't deal with that.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2601 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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Actually the result of reproduction is a blastocyst. The baby happens much later.
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You're the one who wants to play dictionary. Cessation of reproduction would be early withdrawl..........
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Anyone else want to point out to this moron the gaping holes in his 'logical' argument?
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Correct. That would be contraception or abstinence. Abortion is the legal option for women in the case of unwanted pregnancy.
Wrong, the result of reproduction is a new human life. We are sometimes called a zygote when our life begins, and after we have grown and developed for a while we are sometimes referred to as blastocyst. Terms like zygote, blastocyst, adult, fetus etc. are just scientific terms use to describe how mature an individual is. But we are always the same individual human being from the beginning of our life until the end no matter what you choose to call us. Abortion can be legal or illegal, and is the option for anyone to kill the baby that a woman is pregnant with.
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#2602 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong, abortion only kills the baby. Abortion does not harm the mother.
LOL. Botched abortions (usually the illegal sort) kill the mother on a regular basis. Denial is not an Egyptian river.
zef wrote:
<. The only difference between legal and illegal abortions is illegal abortions are less accessible meaning fewer women will kill their babies with abortion.
Once again, provably false. The rate of abortion is not likely to go down if it is illegal; people will simply go elsewhere (other states, other countries, blackmarket/illegal). Just like illegal drug use. Denial is not a river in Egypt.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2603 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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LOL. Botched abortions (usually the illegal sort) kill the mother on a regular basis. Denial is not an Egyptian river.
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Once again, provably false. The rate of abortion is not likely to go down if it is illegal; people will simply go elsewhere (other states, other countries, blackmarket/illegal). Just like illegal drug use. Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Abortions don't botch themselves. People botch abortion. And its the people that botch abortions and their botching that kills women, not the abortion. Abortion kills the baby, not the mother. Women will be much less likely to kill their baby with an abortion if they have to travel to another state or country to do so. You're an idiot.
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#2604 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong, the result of reproduction is a new human life..
If you change the wording of your claims every time you try to repeat them it doesn't give you much credibility.
zef wrote:
< Terms like zygote, blastocyst, adult, fetus etc. are just scientific terms use to describe how mature an individual is..
Does that make you a zygote?
zef wrote:
< . But we are always the same individual human being from the beginning of our life until the end no matter what you choose to call us..
Not true at all. Before birth we can change genetically (mutations, damage, illness) and we can develop differently based on nutritional input. After birth we can change based on nutrition, illness, environmental factors, drugs, etc. But you probably have some special definition of 'same' that we haven't heard yet.
zef wrote:
< Abortion can be legal or illegal, and is the option for anyone to kill the baby that a woman is pregnant with.
If we accept your term baby to refer to the zygote/embryo/fetus and if we accept your term that abortion is killing then yes, abortion is killing babies. Of course, if we all get to make up bat-s**t crazy meanings then I can claim that you kill innocent people by opposing abortion (and probably contraception as well). By opposing abortion you inevitably push pregnant mothers to give birth to unwanted children into lives of poverty and neglect. Inevitably some of them grow up to be criminals that murder innocent people. So you are a murderer. You choose murder, it isn't necessary. You choose it because it is known statistically that a certain percentage of unwanted children will grow up to be murderers of innocent people. You choose to be an accomplice to murder, the same thing you accuse pregnant mothers of being. Congratulations.
rosesz

Pompano Beach, FL

#2605 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
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The point is, laws against drunk driving give the police the authority to take drunk drivers off the streets. Judges merely give drinkers the incentive to not drive drunk again. The point is, if people are forced to obtain illegal drugs if they want to use drugs, than women should be forced to obtain illegal abortions if they want to kill their babies.
ANY WOMAN could find herself in a desperate situation..an unplanned pregnancy. Any woman could be tempted to end it. BUT is 9 months too much to give up of a whole lifetime to insure your offspring survives.
See what I Don't understand is multiple abortions..or in this day and age off birth control and the sex education that was supposed to make abortion and STDs so rare..we have more than ever.

Back in the sixties. We had no knowledge..no birth control to speak of and no choice about ending the life of our babies. Those babies grew into adults thankfully because there was no altar of choice to sacrifice them on..millions sacrificed..

WE HAD many bad time before 1970s and Roe..but there Was more respect for life in general..No mass shootings in schools for one thing. Etc..less child abuse. Though it existed.

When we put so little value on life in the womb..we devalue all of humanity. Including the women..What of her who after an abortion next feels her wanted child move. Or sees an ultrasound and realizes what she has done. Many women suffer post abortion problems.

Adoption is a hard road for a woman..but at least now the woman may have a chance to know about the adoptive parents or even have contact if she chooses..and the parents agree.
The point is there is still a choice for her and her child..With abortion there is no child you may get to know someday..That life is ended!!!!
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2606 Apr 21, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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ANY WOMAN could find herself in a desperate situation..an unplanned pregnancy. Any woman could be tempted to end it. BUT is 9 months too much to give up of a whole lifetime to insure your offspring survives.
See what I Don't understand is multiple abortions..or in this day and age off birth control and the sex education that was supposed to make abortion and STDs so rare..we have more than ever.
Back in the sixties. We had no knowledge..no birth control to speak of and no choice about ending the life of our babies. Those babies grew into adults thankfully because there was no altar of choice to sacrifice them on..millions sacrificed..
WE HAD many bad time before 1970s and Roe..but there Was more respect for life in general..No mass shootings in schools for one thing. Etc..less child abuse. Though it existed.
When we put so little value on life in the womb..we devalue all of humanity. Including the women..What of her who after an abortion next feels her wanted child move. Or sees an ultrasound and realizes what she has done. Many women suffer post abortion problems.
Adoption is a hard road for a woman..but at least now the woman may have a chance to know about the adoptive parents or even have contact if she chooses..and the parents agree.
The point is there is still a choice for her and her child..With abortion there is no child you may get to know someday..That life is ended!!!!
Your crass nihilism disgusts me. Your notion that importance of a persons life depends on well you know them is disturbing.
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#2607 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
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Abortions don't botch themselves. People botch abortion..
Duh. And what is more likely to cause the botching? A legal facility with highly trained, licensed physicians and state of the art equipment or some sleazebag in the alley with a coat hanger?
zef wrote:
< And its the people that botch abortions and their botching that kills women, not the abortion..
YOu seem to think debate consists of mangling definitions every other sentence.
zef wrote:
< Abortion kills the baby, not the mother..
Cancer hasn't ever killed anybody. Only surgery to remove it, chemotherapy to treat it and secondary organ failures kill people. Stop blaming cancer for killing people. Cancer is innocent.
zef wrote:
< Women will be much less likely to have an abortion if they have to travel to another state or country to do so.
You have no way of knowing what the actual result of making abortions illegal will be. The history of human behavior indicated you are wrong, however. What is more likely is that middle-upper class people with resources will travel as necessary to get the abortion and poor people will suffer the illegal abortions.

What is sick is that the thought of women suffering for choosing abortion excites you.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2608 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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If you change the wording of your claims every time you try to repeat them it doesn't give you much credibility.
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Does that make you a zygote?
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Not true at all. Before birth we can change genetically (mutations, damage, illness) and we can develop differently based on nutritional input. After birth we can change based on nutrition, illness, environmental factors, drugs, etc. But you probably have some special definition of 'same' that we haven't heard yet.
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If we accept your term baby to refer to the zygote/embryo/fetus and if we accept your term that abortion is killing then yes, abortion is killing babies. Of course, if we all get to make up bat-s**t crazy meanings then I can claim that you kill innocent people by opposing abortion (and probably contraception as well). By opposing abortion you inevitably push pregnant mothers to give birth to unwanted children into lives of poverty and neglect. Inevitably some of them grow up to be criminals that murder innocent people. So you are a murderer. You choose murder, it isn't necessary. You choose it because it is known statistically that a certain percentage of unwanted children will grow up to be murderers of innocent people. You choose to be an accomplice to murder, the same thing you accuse pregnant mothers of being. Congratulations.
My term? Do you think I am the centers for disease control and prevention? Rejecting information supplied by the centers for disease control seems awfully foolish, no matter how much it might suit your agenda.
Being the same individual does not mean people never change. Being the same individual means we never become someone else, we are the same person regardless of what happens to us. Say you are a wanted criminal and you get plastic surgery and a fake id. Does that somehow turn you into someone else? No it doesn't. Because you can't turn yourself into someone else. No one can. Because, although we are not always the same, we are always the same individual.
When a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, so does her unborn baby. Alcohol in the mother's blood passes through the placenta to the baby through the umbilical cord. Drinking alcohol during pregnancy can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, and a range of lifelong disorders, known as fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASDs). There is no known safe time to drink alcohol during pregnancy. Drinking alcohol in the first three months of pregnancy can cause the baby to have abnormal facial features. Growth and central nervous system problems (e.g., low birth weight, behavioral problems) can occur from drinking alcohol anytime during pregnancy. The baby’s brain is developing throughout pregnancy and can be damaged at any time.
If a woman is drinking alcohol during pregnancy, it is never too late to stop. The sooner a woman stops drinking, the better it will be for both her baby and herself.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd. Atlanta, GA 30333, USA
800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TTY:(888) 232-6348
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/index.html
rosesz

Pompano Beach, FL

#2609 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
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Your crass nihilism disgusts me. Your notion that importance of a persons life depends on well you know them is disturbing.
HUH..That is not what I meant at all. MY POINTis that the life that is ended has No chance or voice of being known by anyone. Let alone his mother some day. Each life IS important. AND. YES because it is known by God even kn the womb.

Out of curiousity are you for of against legal elective abortion..??
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2610 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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Duh. And what is more likely to cause the botching? A legal facility with highly trained, licensed physicians and state of the art equipment or some sleazebag in the alley with a coat hanger?
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YOu seem to think debate consists of mangling definitions every other sentence.
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Cancer hasn't ever killed anybody. Only surgery to remove it, chemotherapy to treat it and secondary organ failures kill people. Stop blaming cancer for killing people. Cancer is innocent.
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You have no way of knowing what the actual result of making abortions illegal will be. The history of human behavior indicated you are wrong, however. What is more likely is that middle-upper class people with resources will travel as necessary to get the abortion and poor people will suffer the illegal abortions.
What is sick is that the thought of women suffering for choosing abortion excites you.
No one has ever been required to get an illegal abortion. No one has ever needed an illegal abortion. The only people that will suffer if abortion is illegal are the nihilistic criminals that choose to kill babies.
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#2611 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
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My term? Do you think I am the centers for disease control and prevention?
No, I think you are a diseased, fundamentalist nutjob.
zef wrote:
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Being the same individual does not mean people never change. Being the same individual means we never become someone else, we are the same person regardless of what happens to us. Say you are a wanted criminal and you get plastic surgery and a fake id. Does that somehow turn you into someone else? No it doesn't. Because you can't turn yourself into someone else. No one can. Because, although we are not always the same, we are always the same individual.
See, that is a religious delusion. In fact, every part of your body is in a state of perpetual change. Physically we change. Psychologically we change. Personalities can change completely. So big deal, you have the same social security number.
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#2612 Apr 21, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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HUH..That is not what I meant at all. MY POINTis that the life that is ended has No chance or voice of being known by anyone. Let alone his mother some day. Each life IS important. AND. YES because it is known by God even kn the womb.
Out of curiousity are you for of against legal elective abortion..??
Zef is so frigging stupid he didn't know you were agreeing with him.

BTW, there is no god so your point is useless.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2613 Apr 21, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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HUH..That is not what I meant at all. MY POINTis that the life that is ended has No chance or voice of being known by anyone. Let alone his mother some day. Each life IS important. AND. YES because it is known by God even kn the womb.
Out of curiousity are you for of against legal elective abortion..??
How well people are known is of no significance to the importance of their life, only their importance to you. And you don't have the right to kill anyone, no matter how unimportant their life might be to you. I'm against you being allowed to kill anyone, no matter how you choose to kill your victims.
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#2614 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
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No one has ever been required to get an illegal abortion..
Depends on how you define require, eh zef?
zef wrote:
<. No one has ever needed an illegal abortion..
Except when the life of the mother depends on an abortion and they are not legal. oops.
zef wrote:
<. The only people that will suffer if abortion is illegal are the nihilistic criminals that choose to kill babies.
Based on the news I read the only nihilistic criminals killing babies are war-mongering republicans like Bush, anti sex-ed/anti contraception nutjobs like you, and Hitler.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2615 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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No, I think you are a diseased, fundamentalist nutjob.
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See, that is a religious delusion. In fact, every part of your body is in a state of perpetual change. Physically we change. Psychologically we change. Personalities can change completely. So big deal, you have the same social security number.
Your body can change, but does not change into someone else's body. It can't. That's what we are always the same individual means. If your personality changes it does not become somebody else's personality. Its still your personality, because you are always the same individual. Being an individual is what distinguishes us from other individuals, not ourselves. You are insane.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2616 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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Depends on how you define require, eh zef?
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Except when the life of the mother depends on an abortion and they are not legal. oops.
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Based on the news I read the only nihilistic criminals killing babies are war-mongering republicans like Bush, anti sex-ed/anti contraception nutjobs like you, and Hitler.
Abortion to save the life of the mother has never been illegal. I never said anything about sex or contraception. You are insane.
Godame

Tupelo, MS

#2617 Apr 21, 2013
"You are insane"
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Every cell in your body changes in about 7 years. A transsexual changes gender. Life is a moving target and never exactly the same each second.

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