Jodi Arias claims self-defense as mur...

Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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Houston Suburbanite

Spring, TX

#7295 May 28, 2013
Good Day wrote:
lol springs: what a wack, complain about our convos, and then copy them ... see that pharma? there's your manic troll, where's it's spouse? oh, that's right, it mentioned that the spouse said all of their re-thinking details was a moot point, because the trial passed that a longggg time ago...
hah it's obsessed w/us and our convos... it needs to get a life in springs
I have a life, but I also have a lot of free time because I don't have to pick weeds or deal with smoke alarms. If you actually looked good, you wouldn't either. You keep bringing up where i come in from, but then you say yours isn't accurate. Did it ever occur to you that maybe you are calling mine wrong also. You calling out people who no longer post here. Most have moved on. I am catching up on the Amanda Knox case. There is actually a book out and more info.

Your English teacher failed you. You and LA have been here longer and have trolled this board incessantly. If you didn't follow me thread to thread, then it was LA. Sometimes it's hard to tell apart.

I'll be thinking about you as I dine on lobster/seafood or steak or both tonight while sipping champagne. It isn't such a bitter world now that I've got mine.

You are seething with jealousy at the thought that I have a full-time husband (except for work/business) and a part-time former boyfriend who adores me as well. You bring out the worst in me. Even animals love me and stop by just to get petted or to hang around. You have no idea of what I'm like in real life. This is just a board. You started things with all of the shin kicking, name calling, and childishness. You are old enough to be a grandma and you act like a middle school bully.

I asked you to leave me alone and to not answer my posts. Instead, you follow me around.
Ever so often, LA has a brain fart that might make sense, so I sometimes read his posts.

You are going to be old, alone and bitter. Hey, here's a hint, you can't p h * c k a keyboard.
Guess where I was last night? It wasn't here. No details. Let's just say it involved nakedness and a bed. See if you can figure it out.

You are going after someone who sits around all day, rubbing one out and measuring his
private parts. Good luck!

Freaks. lmao
Observation Guy

United States

#7301 May 28, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Just tuned into Dr Drew...did both of the female jurors want her head?
OK the two female jurors commenting on the clips of JA in the interrogation room. Dr Drew is really trying to rile them up and of course playing
to their egos.
Neither one is saying anything of substance as to the chronology of events and the dynamics of JA/TA.
They just do not like JA, would not have liked JA if this had never happen.
Were all of the four holdouts men?
I agree.

"Diane" is obviously the more educated & rational of the two ladies, but she too is a complete space cadet.

The appeal brief is going to be very exciting to read.
Good Day

Romania

#7303 May 28, 2013
LG :)
from Oguy:
"... Jodi is left handed.

The wounds in Travis's back are on his right side.

This means they were facing each other during the struggle. More indicative of self-defense.

Had his back been to her, as presented by the prosecutor, the wounds in his back would be on the left, same as her dominant hand."

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interesting points :)
Good Day

Romania

#7304 May 28, 2013
... or he was facing the mirror, and she was to his right, stabbing w/her left hand?
Good Day

Dallas, TX

#7305 May 28, 2013
LG, Oguy, ok, I may have spoken too soon, referring to Oguy's views...
I believe she is guilty, and killed him wo/reason, other than perhaps for her, because of her sick demented twisted soul, an emotional one.
Observation Guy

United States

#7306 May 28, 2013
Good Day wrote:
... or he was facing the mirror, and she was to his right, stabbing w/her left hand?
Based on the angle & trajectory of the wounds? I don't believe so, no.

I believe the two were facing each other, as he was positioned in a manner which severely limited knife-to-flesh contact to a concentrated area.

If she were behind him, flailing the knife with reckless abandon, the wound patterns would be all over the place -- and much deeper -- in my opinion.
Good Day

Höst, Germany

#7308 May 28, 2013
Observation Guy wrote:
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Based on the angle & trajectory of the wounds? I don't believe so, no.
I believe the two were facing each other, as he was positioned in a manner which severely limited knife-to-flesh contact to a concentrated area.
If she were behind him, flailing the knife with reckless abandon, the wound patterns would be all over the place -- and much deeper -- in my opinion.
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hmm, are you in the legal field? Why didn't either side use a re-enactment?
Observation Guy

United States

#7309 May 28, 2013
Good Day wrote:
LG, Oguy, ok, I may have spoken too soon, referring to Oguy's views...
I believe she is guilty, and killed him wo/reason, other than perhaps for her, because of her sick demented twisted soul, an emotional one.
But then the injuries make no sense. The injuries & wound patterns are tangible physical evidence, which far outweighs any speculative circumstantial evidence.

To eliminate all reasonable doubt as to the strength of the prosecutions case, you start with the physical evidence first, and work to exclude the defense hypothesis of innocence.

In this case, the physical evidence (body wounds) support Jodi's testimony more than it excludes her testimony.

As such, the prosecution did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. He merely changed the State of Arizona's theory of events.

Let's not forget that Jodi's story was Juan's story at one time. He only changed gears after Jodi agreed with his theory re: the order of the injuries.
Observation Guy

United States

#7310 May 28, 2013
Good Day wrote:
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hmm, are you in the legal field? Why didn't either side use a re-enactment?
I think we know why Juan didn't use such a reenactment, but there is no excuse for the defense not to do it.

Ineffective counsel?
Good Day

France

#7311 May 28, 2013
Observation Guy wrote:
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But then the injuries make no sense. The injuries & wound patterns are tangible physical evidence, which far outweighs any speculative circumstantial evidence.
To eliminate all reasonable doubt as to the strength of the prosecutions case, you start with the physical evidence first, and work to exclude the defense hypothesis of innocence.
In this case, the physical evidence (body wounds) support Jodi's testimony more than it excludes her testimony.
As such, the prosecution did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. He merely changed the State of Arizona's theory of events.
Let's not forget that Jodi's story was Juan's story at one time. He only changed gears after Jodi agreed with his theory re: the order of the injuries.
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Ok. Was there an initial court doc that stated the prosecution's version of events? Would that be the ME's description of the wounds and the order in which he determined they were inflicted?

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What do you think of her demeanor, given that she killed him and said she loved him?
Did you see the 18 Interrogation tapes?
I believe she brought darkness to Travis, and her underlying anger issues came to the surface when he broke up w/her.
I couldn't stay calm, if I killed someone as a result of an accident or in self-defense.
Do you think she lacks empathy?
She said on tape, that what the family was dealing with was "Temporary".
Houston Suburbanite

Spring, TX

#7315 May 29, 2013
True Love_2 wrote:
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I just drove by a really upscale area this morning. I'm not even sure what the properties sell for and I don't care. You have no idea of this area and still you still seem to think that sewer town you live in is better. It's probably because you don't know any better. Until I moved here and saw all of the opportunities and things to do, I didn't appreciate the area. Schools have 1% economically disadvantaged. I haven't looked to see what your schools have. If you had to go to private school, it's probably because the public schools are like toilets.
What you show is not class. Far from it. Apparently, Leggs is 63 so she thinks you are hot. I've seen pics of 63 year old women. We don't want to hear about your oral sex fantasies, your bondage and discipline fantasies, have to visualize a pot-bellied pig in a pair of Calvin Kleins. Why not pretend to be 32 so we don't throw up in our mouths when you talk about yourself. Quit going around saying,
"Hold My D * c k" Sorry, I seem to have misplaced my tweezers. I wouldn't touch yours with someone else's. Ever heard that saying?
Come on with the verdict.
p.s. I believe it is called East Shore. Look it up teenie LA weenie.
Houston Suburbanite

Spring, TX

#7316 May 29, 2013
Slayer wrote:
'LA Guy,''Good Day' and some others, are trying to make an excuse 'fit' that doesn't cleanly 'fit' as an acceptable alibi for JA. In a true, well-defined, MASTER/SLAVE sexual arrangement, the slave wouldn't have the courage to 'consider' murdering the master, much less carry it out. All this pycho-babble y'all keep using doesn't fit these circumstances. And I think you know it.
Travis was not a highly experienced guy in the role of MASTER -- he was a neophyte to that kind of role-playing. He was adapting quickly since he was a dominating jerk by his nature, and JA was choosing to be a 'good sport' about it all, b/c she saw him as her ideal marriage partner. If he was not interested in filling that role, she had no use for him.
Agree. They watched a few porn flicks and think they are all knowing. For the most part, I have moved on to the Amanda Knox case even though she was acquitted. They tried to make the case in Italy with the slit throat and stab wounds some kind of sex game gone awry. Then they found the real murderer, a criminal from the Ivory Coast. Amanda spent 4 years in Italian jail for nothing. I read she was browbeat into putting herself at the scene even though she was at her boyfriend's place. The one who kind of looks like Harry Potter. Not only did she lose her freedom, she lost her Harry Potter Italian boyfriend. She might have been doing what college kids do, dabbling in sex and drugs, but does that make her a murderer?
Houston Suburbanite

Spring, TX

#7317 May 29, 2013
Good Day wrote:
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**********
Closer to Auburn :)above the fog, out of the smog
Give him your address so he can come stalk you. I d i o t.
Houston Suburbanite

Spring, TX

#7318 May 29, 2013
Good Day wrote:
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Actually, this bungalow has the wiiiiide porch, with a side porch. It's on a 120'x50' lot, one of a few that has'n been split up. I got it for 120k, vey lucky because it was the 3rd home I saw, and was only DOM 2-3 days. The yard was neglected; the previous owners lost it in a foreclosure after they did some remodeling... sad for the to lose it.
3 Arch bay was so beautiful. Their home had 3 stories with floor to ceiling windows on most levels. You could lay/lie in bed and see the white surf and hear the waves hit. OM it was nice. Simple furnishings, clean, light colors.
Some places in Sac. are so over-run w/undesirables, especially blacks from the bay who think they now own it... I had to get out. The quiet pockets of Sac. are now sandwiched by old apts. and the crime is so bad.
blah blah blah blah blah
Thought this was the JA trial, not flip it. Came back a while later and you are talking paint colors
Houston Suburbanite

Spring, TX

#7320 May 29, 2013
Good Day wrote:
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As I said in the beginning, I thought she was just another sick stalker. Then I heard she was going to testify & say it was self-defense ... Ok, so what happened?
He wasn't the innocent Mormon as his friends and the media said, right?You can't still think he was a virgin, or that she was the only one into it. He said she was the Best He Ever Tasted. That means that he had been with other women.
The guy was abusive, do you disagree with that?
I'm not saying she's innocent of taking his life. I'm saying she was abused and it's not unheard of to have it end this way.
If you and others think he was just a normal guy, then that's where we differ. That's where I look at the whole picture. He bought his demise when opened all of those many dark doors, and began debasing her as evidenced by texts and the call. No police restraining orders, no door locks, no changing of his phone number... she moves away and he still pursues and plans to see her,.. he was so tired of her, right?
You can't have it both ways.
You keep repeating that Travis said she was the best he ever tasted. I never remember hearing that.
You have some kind of fixation with oral sex. Why don't you write again about wanting to explore with whip cream, chocolate syrup and cherries because you are the worst no one has ever tasted.
Nobody wants your nasty package. Wrap it up. Sixty year old " S n a t ch" is not a catch.
You said your cousin was 60. You just wrote that to see if it ran Van Nuys Guy off.
Observation Guy

United States

#7321 May 29, 2013
Good Day wrote:
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Ok. Was there an initial court doc that stated the prosecution's version of events? Would that be the ME's description of the wounds and the order in which he determined they were inflicted?
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What do you think of her demeanor, given that she killed him and said she loved him?
Did you see the 18 Interrogation tapes?
I believe she brought darkness to Travis, and her underlying anger issues came to the surface when he broke up w/her.
I couldn't stay calm, if I killed someone as a result of an accident or in self-defense.
Do you think she lacks empathy?
She said on tape, that what the family was dealing with was "Temporary".
Demeanor and post-incident PTSD behaviors are irrelevant when you have physical evidence which matches the testimony of the person who created that physical evidence.

Two ppl were involved in a 62 second fatal struggle. One of those ppl testified what took place. The physical evidence supports her testimony.

You can speculate until the cows come home abt all of the extraneous irrelevant before & after minutiae but, it doesn't change the facts of the 62 second struggle.

It was clearly self-defense but the juty was simply incapable of connecting the dots.

In part because they were given incomplete information, but also in part because they are Jodi-hating Travis advocates -- instead of the stewards of justice they were supposed to be.

Naturally, the appellate courts straighten these kind of messes out by reversing the perverse errors. Jodi's do-over will be much different.

One thing we can give kudos to Jodi's defense team for is, they created a rock solid record for appeal.
Houston Suburbanite

Spring, TX

#7322 May 29, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Gdmng GD:)
First cup of coffee, personal business
today
Just casual, Hugo Boss Jeans, RL pale yellow,
blue deck shoes, Prada glasses
**********
Interesting post on re-enactments and why
neither side used them...as you know, these
computerized one's are quite in voque
**********
Tensions had been building for some time,
but something happen in the last fifteen,
beyond telling her to leave and never come
back ... still lean towards her dropping the
camera
Hey,if you remember about Good Day and her whipped cream and chocolate covered cherry action, remind me and maybe I will leave you alone for the rest of the day. Have you ever put chocolate covered cherries inside someone (female) and finished with whipped cream. She shouldn't post her fantasies here if she doesn't want them recovered and commented on. This is not a private chat link.

Life is just a bowl of chocolate covered cherries.

Ralph Lauren...really...stuck in the 1980's? lmao
Houston Suburbanite

Spring, TX

#7324 May 29, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Gdmng GD:)
First cup of coffee, personal business
today
Just casual, Hugo Boss Jeans, RL pale yellow,
blue deck shoes, Prada glasses
**********
Interesting post on re-enactments and why
neither side used them...as you know, these
computerized one's are quite in voque
**********
Tensions had been building for some time,
but something happen in the last fifteen,
beyond telling her to leave and never come
back ... still lean towards her dropping the
camera
She wants to be the best you NEVER tasted. Why don't you take a ride up to her shack near Auburn and give her a thrill? You can do better. i guess you feel sorry for her. Lonely. Old. Weed picker. Gets excited by Clementine Oranges. Guess she wants to try inserting those too. Jodi buys pickles with her commissary money. Uh-Oh. Are you thinking what I am thinking? Something to suck on at night. lmao
Observation Guy

United States

#7325 May 29, 2013
Observation Guy

United States

#7328 May 29, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Judge Larry Siedlen is quite a character.
He mentioned the double jeopardy aspect,
as to another round on the penalty phase...
no doubt it has previously unsuccessfully been
argued in other cases
Would JA accept a plea to LWOP and waive appeals?
AZ was one of the last State's (continental) to
be admitted into the Union
We have often heard of Law West of the Pecos ...
how far West was it LOL
Is that a river in Texas?
Accept a plea to LWOP and waive appeals???? Really?........ Really?

Bahahahaha!!

Are you smoking crack?

By the time she wins on appeal and is ordered re-tried on manslaughter, and assuming she is convicted on that charge,(which is highly unlikely), she will have already served the equivalent of the sentence.

The most likely scenario is that the court will find the evidence supports self-defense and Jodi will be fully exonerated.

Either way.......

Doors open and Jodi goes home.

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