When Is Spanking Child Abuse?

Oct 21, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: New York Times

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Ham

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Apr 9, 2010
 
All charged dismissed! Why didn't Crystal Long drop these 2 years before this? Hmm.... Does that mean there was not 4 inch bruises like the police officer said there were? What about the thousands of dollars this family spent and my tax money paying for countless hearings and such? Kinda makes a person think - doesn't it?

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#63
May 24, 2010
 
Spank away cuz most of 'em need it bad!

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May 26, 2010
 
Shaw wrote:
Here is a good read on the issue of spanking - it's called the BIBLE.[...]
Here is a good read on the issue of working between sunset on Friday and sunset on Saturday (the TRUE Sabbath)- it's called the BIBLE.
"A Man Put to Death for Gathering Firewood on the Sabbath (Numbers 15, Contemporary English Version)
32Once, while the Israelites were traveling through the desert, a man was caught gathering firewood on the Sabbath. 33He was taken to Moses, Aaron, and the rest of the community. 34But no one knew what to do with him, so he was not allowed to leave. 35Then the LORD said to Moses, " Tell the people to take that man outside the camp and stone him to death!" 36So he was killed, just as the LORD had commanded Moses."

Isn't it about time that we stopped taking The Bible seriously as the be-all and know-all on moral issues?
p.s Eating shellfish, wearing clothes of two different types of cloth, and touching pigskin are also expressly forbidden. Don't you just LOVE the way many Bible-based "moral crusaders" are world-class cherry-pickers?

p.s. Answer to the question (When Is Spanking Child Abuse?): Whenever it's a child being spanked.
Doug

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#65
Sep 28, 2010
 
Spanking is abuse when you don't do it. Deserving children need red butts sometimes. Sorry but that is just an uncomfortable fact.
David C

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Nov 4, 2010
 
My child was spanked 25+ times by me ex wifes own admission in one night, leaving bruises all over her bottom. My daughter is 21months old. I live in Alabama, CPS did nothing. Where do I go next this is taking it too far.

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David C wrote:
My child was spanked 25+ times by me ex wifes own admission in one night, leaving bruises all over her bottom. My daughter is 21months old. I live in Alabama, CPS did nothing. Where do I go next this is taking it too far.
One of the BIG problems with corporal punishment is that adults take out their frustrations and anger on defenceless children. VERY often, the child has done NOTHING to warrant even softer correction. It sounds like your wife has heavy problems of her own that she needs to deal with... but it's SO much easier to hit the 2-year-old.
Get in touch with social services. Alabama is backward in this regard, but you've got to keep trying until SOMEBODY takes notice. Your daughter needs you to fight for her. Don't give up.
Mark

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Jan 2, 2012
 
Ok, I'm answering the question. The question is:

When Is Spanking Child Abuse?

Answer: never.
jezzie

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Mar 6, 2012
 
Every parent has to know their child . By some children its abuse , and some children (even teenagers) really do need their pants down & a good whackin' right across their Tush for discipline !

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There is too much lax parenting these days. Too many parents feel the world is supposed to revolve around their little angels. Manners are not being taught and every public place is used as a potential playground. What ever happened to taking a screaming, tantruming kid out of a public building? Maybe it's the parents who need to be spanked.
Mike

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Apr 4, 2012
 
hairyfrog wrote:
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Here is a good read on the issue of working between sunset on Friday and sunset on Saturday (the TRUE Sabbath)- it's called the BIBLE.
"A Man Put to Death for Gathering Firewood on the Sabbath (Numbers 15, Contemporary English Version)
32Once, while the Israelites were traveling through the desert, a man was caught gathering firewood on the Sabbath. 33He was taken to Moses, Aaron, and the rest of the community. 34But no one knew what to do with him, so he was not allowed to leave. 35Then the LORD said to Moses, " Tell the people to take that man outside the camp and stone him to death!" 36So he was killed, just as the LORD had commanded Moses."
Isn't it about time that we stopped taking The Bible seriously as the be-all and know-all on moral issues?
p.s Eating shellfish, wearing clothes of two different types of cloth, and touching pigskin are also expressly forbidden. Don't you just LOVE the way many Bible-based "moral crusaders" are world-class cherry-pickers?
p.s. Answer to the question (When Is Spanking Child Abuse?): Whenever it's a child being spanked.
First of all if you dont understand it..dont quote it!!

Because your understanding is way off!!!!

Hence your answer to the question. unreal, so sad..
Jazmine

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Apr 9, 2012
 
I say this DA Crystal Long needs a good spanking for wasting tax payers money and prosecuting a person who is trying to teach their child not to lie!

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#73
May 13, 2012
 
My parents spanked all three of us kids, and while it may not have been as effective for my brother, we still all grew up with a profound respect for our parents. I love my mother dearly and appreciate her " tough love" when it was needed. Happy mothers day to all you lovely mothers out there <3

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#74
May 16, 2012
 
As long as you're hitting your child on the bottom, than its just discipline. But if your hitting somewhere else like in the face or back or something than that's not good.

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May 28, 2012
 
Niely_willy wrote:
As long as you're hitting your child on the bottom, than its just discipline. But if your hitting somewhere else like in the face or back or something than that's not good.
True, spanking was acceptable to our parents and grandparents but in these modern days the kiddies rule the adults. I have to shake my head when I see some milquetoast parent down on one knee trying to explain to some out-of-control preschooler why hitting, kicking or toy grabbing is wrong, and they believe these little terrors understand their verbosity.

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Eddie M wrote:
<quoted text>True, spanking was acceptable to our parents and grandparents but in these modern days the kiddies rule the adults. I have to shake my head when I see some milquetoast parent down on one knee trying to explain to some out-of-control preschooler why hitting, kicking or toy grabbing is wrong, and they believe these little terrors understand their verbosity.
Lol, timeout doesn't work these days.
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Oct 16, 2012
 
Eddie M you are full of it and need to learn to do your home work.

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/16/148758783/viole... '
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Dec 25, 2012
 
jezzie wrote:
Every parent has to know their child . By some children its abuse , and some children (even teenagers) really do need their pants down & a good whackin' right across their Tush for discipline !
Right you are ! thats exactly what I do to my boys !!
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Jan 8, 2013
 
jezzie wrote:
Every parent has to know their child . By some children its abuse , and some children (even teenagers) really do need their pants down & a good whackin' right across their Tush for discipline !
I am in favor os spankings. I am a christian. I am a member of our local southern baptist church. I am single dad who raised a daugher. My daughers mother abandoned my daughter and I when my daughter was a baby. I had the help of my grandmother some of the time especially during her puberty years. I did spank my daughter 3 times in her whole life, and all before she was 10yrs old. I spanked her with clothing on not off. I didnt have to spank her after that. When she was teenager I used restrictions etc, didnt have to spank. I do not believe a dad should be spanking a teenage girl naked. He shouldnt even be seeing her naked, same as mom should not be seeing her teenage son naked eather. Should be clothing on. Even christians adults are not perfect we are sinners, and its morally wrong for oposit gender parent seeing their teenagers naked. My daughter was modest and embarrassed I respected her modesty. She and her husband are registard nurses, and have very successful careers. I have two beautiful grandchildren twin boy and girl. I am in favor of spanking even teenagers last resort only, but not forced to be naked. That should be against the law and it is here in this state where I live can be charged with sexual abuse, and I agree with this.
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Jan 9, 2013
 
also, I was beaten and sexually abused by my mother until I was 13yrs old. I was forced todo sexual things before my mother sister my annt who was only 3yrs older than me and my female cousin who is about same age as my mother. My mother and dad divorced when I was 13 and I went to live with my paturnal grandparents. I was teased and laughed at by my mother, annt and cousin. I was told to do horable things. I cried yelled stop, stop be they kept doing it. After the divorce I went to live with my paturnal grandparents. I had no relationship with my mother after that. I seen her one time when I was 23 and I asked her how come she abused me? She asked me to forgive her and started to cry. In my heart I did forgive her, but scars are still there even to this day. I know my mother was upset because she could not change the past. My mother never had the pleasure of seeing her granddaughter . I was so affraid that I didnt allow my daughter to visit her. When I was 14, I acceted the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. I am a member of our local southern baptist church. I am still going through counseling to this day because of my past. This has been tramatizing to me all of my life, it has ruined relationships for me. I do believe in spanking because the bible says spare the rod spoil the child. I did spank my daughter when she was young. I only spanked 3 times, never had to spank her as teenager. She was all in all good kid, she loved school especiallly science as she is a registard nurse to this day. She and I have a wonderful father daughter relaionship we always had one from the day she was born. The times I did have to spank her, I believed I cried almost as much as she did. It wasnt pleasant, but it was needed. It did work. I only spanked her with clothing on. I do not believe in spanking bare bottom especially a teenager. Dad should not be seeing their teenage daughters naked unless they sick or have a disabliity. Same way for mothers and their teenage sons. My daughter was very modest and was not comfortable being naked infront of me when she entered puberty. We did have an open father and daughter dialog when it came to sex, boys body divelopement etc. Now she is nurse and not as modest anymore.

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