Why They Hate Obama

Why They Hate Obama

There are 12489 comments on the The Daily Beast story from Aug 8, 2013, titled Why They Hate Obama. In it, The Daily Beast reports that:

As the Virginia Flaggers loft their Confederate flag in opposition to the 'tyranny' of 2013, Jamelle Bouie argues that racial bias plays at least some part in Obama's collapse in the South.

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#6540 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
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The popular vote is what the House is for.
Name those states, Tea Bagger.

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#6541 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
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The popular vote is what the House is for.
PS: you can give up your right to vote for your Senator, I would say clearly you are not qualified to make the decision anyway.

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#6542 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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OH REALLY?
Do name theses STATES that had direct election of their senators.
Oregon for one, as early as 1907.

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Hackettstown, NJ

#6543 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Was it?
You should be able to show us, then, where in the US Constitution that it allowed for public direct election of the US Senate.
The constitution says legislators [choose] their senators. There's nothing to prevent a legislature from [choosing] to have a direct popular vote.

As many as 29 states had already had direct popular votes for senators by 1912. How elae could that amendment been ratified by the states?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Se...

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Hackettstown, NJ

#6544 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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PS: you can give up your right to vote for your Senator, I would say clearly you are not qualified to make the decision anyway.
As there are many others who aren't qualified and vote themselves free stuff. That's the reason for state legislative votes.

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Hackettstown, NJ

#6545 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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As we have pointed out every time you try to divert with this: George Puss signed many or EOs than has Obama.
And Ronald Reagan: twice as many.
You missed the point again. Just how is the public represented?

And, again, you shouldn't compare one idiot to another. It doesn't help your case.

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#6546 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
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Oregon for one, as early as 1907.
"early"?

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#6547 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
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The constitution says legislators [choose] their senators.
The legislators are the people who have been elected and they got to vote.

In English, that means that LEGISLATORS, not electors, got the vote.

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#6548 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
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Oregon for one, as early as 1907.
NOPE!

Fred Mulkey: appointed by the Oregon Legislative Assembly.

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#6549 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
There's nothing to prevent a legislature from [choosing] to have a direct popular vote.
IS.

(or was, before 17th)


Article One of the U.S. Constitution

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Hackettstown, NJ

#6550 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The legislators are the people who have been elected and they got to vote.
In English, that means that LEGISLATORS, not electors, got the vote.
Duh, ya think? But it doesn't say [vote], it says [choose]. There's nothing in the constitution that says the legislature must elect or vote for a senator. It says choose. A lot of states had the direct vote and others had the indirect vote of the legislature.

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#6551 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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NOPE!
Fred Mulkey: appointed by the Oregon Legislative Assembly.
Voted for in the public primary race before being appointed. "The Oregon System".

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Hackettstown, NJ

#6552 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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"early"?
OK, late.

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#6553 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
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Duh, ya think? But it doesn't say [vote], it says [choose]. There's nothing in the constitution that says the legislature must elect or vote for a senator. It says choose.
So you are saying that the legislature chooses.

Which is what I said.

And you are insisting that senators in a number of states were appointed by direct election which we both know is wrong.

And for you to keep perpetuating this lie makes you a liar.

It does not matter if the state legislatures chose their senators by "advisory" vote of the general populace, or they drew cards until they come up with a winner: the fact is, the LEGISLATURES chose their Senators to represent them.

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#6554 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
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Voted for in the public primary race before being appointed.
APPOINTED BY WHOM?

You just told us Oregon elected senators in 1907.

Do you need the exact quote?

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#6555 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
As many as 29 states had already had direct popular votes for senators by 1912.
This is also a lie.

HOW SAD THAT YOU ARE SUCH A M/F C/S LIAR that you would edit out the "rest of the story".

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!

By 1912, as many as 29 states elected senators either as nominees of their party's primary **********or********** in conjunction with a general election.

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#6556 Jan 26, 2014
Teaman wrote:
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OK, late.
Late?

The *direct* election of Senators commiserated with the PASSING of the 17th amendment in 1913.

May 31, 1913.

When were those direct Senate elections?

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Hackettstown, NJ

#6557 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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APPOINTED BY WHOM?
You just told us Oregon elected senators in 1907.
Do you need the exact quote?
The appointee was elected. The election was how the appointed person was chosen. The legislature didn't do the choice, just the appointment of the people's choice.

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#6558 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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So you are saying that the legislature chooses.
Which is what I said.
And you are insisting that senators in a number of states were appointed by direct election which we both know is wrong.
And for you to keep perpetuating this lie makes you a liar.
It does not matter if the state legislatures chose their senators by "advisory" vote of the general populace, or they drew cards until they come up with a winner: the fact is, the LEGISLATURES chose their Senators to represent them.
Yes, the legislature chooses. It can choose by direct vote of the people. It appoints who the people voted for. It's not a hard concept. Try to follow.

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Hackettstown, NJ

#6559 Jan 26, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Late?
The *direct* election of Senators commiserated with the PASSING of the 17th amendment in 1913.
May 31, 1913.
When were those direct Senate elections?
The direct election of senators in [every] state with the passing of the 17th amendment.

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