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Atheo Aphobo

Douglasville, GA

#1 Jun 6, 2013
The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice. God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh. Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are "pleasing to the Lord".

Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.

Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-bitch. It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.

The first seven chapters of Leviticus have extensive rules regarding animal and food sacrifices. These offerings are supposed to be burnt so that God can smell them. If you read through these it seems clear to me that the priests were getting their followers to make a big feast for them every week. The priests were very particular about what kind of food to bring and how to prepare it.

Even more peculiar is God's obsession with first-born sons. In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me." Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an ass with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that "consecrate" means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.

However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions. "Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death." I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick.

Since: Nov 11

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#2 Jun 6, 2013
Welcome back, great deceiver
Atheo Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#3 Jun 7, 2013
Hi :)
Atheo Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#4 Jun 7, 2013
I've got a better name this time, "without god, without fear".

To those of you who do not know me. I, obviously, am an atheist. I would like some intelligent debate about the existence of god, biblical morality and the usefulness of religion. If you have a view on any of these or other religious topics I would love to discuss it with you.

A.A.
Believer

Norcross, GA

#5 Jun 7, 2013
How about you discuss the human and animal sacrifices that take place in satanism.
If you knew anything about that you would understand how things work and why that is no longer nessisary for Christians because Christ was our blood sacrifice. It's not about getting off on burning flesh it's about showing faith and we sacrificed animals in ancient days because that was the most valuable thing we had to offer. But if you see what the santanic practice they are constantly committing blood sacrifices. Especially of young children. I hope you at least believe in Satan because this is clearly his world.
concerned

Alpharetta, GA

#6 Jun 7, 2013
Atheo Aphobo wrote:
The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice. God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh. Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are "pleasing to the Lord".
Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.
Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-bitch. It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.
The first seven chapters of Leviticus have extensive rules regarding animal and food sacrifices. These offerings are supposed to be burnt so that God can smell them. If you read through these it seems clear to me that the priests were getting their followers to make a big feast for them every week. The priests were very particular about what kind of food to bring and how to prepare it.
Even more peculiar is God's obsession with first-born sons. In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me." Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an ass with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that "consecrate" means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.
However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions. "Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death." I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick.
You sick pathological sociopath. knew you would come back. I will keep showing up when you do. Where is your boytoy? Nobody cares about your mental illness. You sick messed up fool.
concerned

Alpharetta, GA

#7 Jun 7, 2013
Atheo Aphobos wrote:
I've got a better name this time, "without god, without fear".
To those of you who do not know me. I, obviously, am an atheist. I would like some intelligent debate about the existence of god, biblical morality and the usefulness of religion. If you have a view on any of these or other religious topics I would love to discuss it with you.
A.A.
You stupid freak. You need help. Get some help you pathological sociopath. I will be here evry time you are.
Atheo Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#8 Jun 8, 2013
Believer wrote:
How about you discuss the human and animal sacrifices that take place in satanism.
If you knew anything about that you would understand how things work and why that is no longer nessisary for Christians because Christ was our blood sacrifice. It's not about getting off on burning flesh it's about showing faith and we sacrificed animals in ancient days because that was the most valuable thing we had to offer. But if you see what the santanic practice they are constantly committing blood sacrifices. Especially of young children. I hope you at least believe in Satan because this is clearly his world.
First, let me start by saying that as an atheist I reject your claim of supernatural deities existing.(Satan included)

Let's speak of "satanism" and "satans world". Do you really believe that the devil, satan, lucifer, the deceiver and his demons are all around us, tempting us, leading us away from your imaginary sky daddy? Really?

Have you ever seen a satanic ritual **in person** where they sacrifice animals or human? I'm sure you've seen plenty of propaganda videos at your church. Btw, most animal sacrifices today are done by Christian-primal religion mixes (Santeria, voodoo, etc.) and is definitely not satanic as it is based on the Christian faith.

However, I see children raped by priests in the churches, is that the new "blood sacrifice"? I see that children are exploited, indoctrinated, deceived etc...by the church.

I see more child sacrifice by Christians than by satanists on the news. Parents refusing to inoculate their children of dangerous diseases causing their death. Parents praying over their sick child and refusing medical attention. The pope telling people in Africa that AIDS is bad but condoms are worse.

Religion in all is bad.

Truth, reason, logic, empathy, sympathy, kindness is the way to a better life.

**on a side note:

If satan punishes and tortures the bad, evil people doesn't that make him the good guy?

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#9 Jun 8, 2013
Atheo Aphobos wrote:
<quoted text>First, let me start by saying that as an atheist I reject your claim of supernatural deities existing.(Satan included)

Let's speak of "satanism" and "satans world". Do you really believe that the devil, satan, lucifer, the deceiver and his demons are all around us, tempting us, leading us away from your imaginary sky daddy? Really?

Have you ever seen a satanic ritual **in person** where they sacrifice animals or human? I'm sure you've seen plenty of propaganda videos at your church. Btw, most animal sacrifices today are done by Christian-primal religion mixes (Santeria, voodoo, etc.) and is definitely not satanic as it is based on the Christian faith.

However, I see children raped by priests in the churches, is that the new "blood sacrifice"? I see that children are exploited, indoctrinated, deceived etc...by the church.

I see more child sacrifice by Christians than by satanists on the news. Parents refusing to inoculate their children of dangerous diseases causing their death. Parents praying over their sick child and refusing medical attention. The pope telling people in Africa that AIDS is bad but condoms are worse.

Religion in all is bad.

Truth, reason, logic, empathy, sympathy, kindness is the way to a better life.

**on a side note:

If satan punishes and tortures the bad, evil people doesn't that make him the good guy?
Basically, I believe the Bible and you believe that everything came from a rock. Enough said.
reality check

Douglasville, GA

#10 Jun 8, 2013
Blue Vase wrote:
<quoted text>Basically, I believe the Bible and you believe that everything came from a rock. Enough said.
Basically, that is not it at all. But it shows how basic your ability to learn and grow as a human is. You must get past the silly religious propaganda doctrine to discover that life is even more amazing without a ridiculous creator myth.
Atheo Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#11 Jun 9, 2013
Okay, so where did god come from? He must have had a creator, I mean, it's your logic I'm using. So who designed god?
Atheo Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#12 Jun 10, 2013
Blue Vase wrote:
<quoted text>
Basically, I believe the Bible and you believe that everything came from a rock. Enough said.
Basically, you believe fairy tales about talking donkeys, snakes and bushes and I understand science and rely on empirical evidence which can be tested and displayed for anyone to see (even if you chose to ignore it). Enough said.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#13 Jun 10, 2013
If you cannot look around and see God everywhere then you are crazy. Things don't assemble themselves over time if left to chance. Things actually get screwed up more over time. The human body is so complex that it obviously had a designer. You do not rely on proof because you have never witnessed macroevolution, you just believe that it exists. I agree that organisms adapt to their environments over time and that natural selection ensures the continuation of favorable traits and other things that give certain species an "edge" over others in survival, but I believe that life has to be breathed into something, it didn't simply just form from non-life.

If I were you, I'd just be enjoying the time I had left on Earth partying, sinning, and just doing whatever I want to. You don't have anyone to answer to. There is no right and wrong.

But no, instead you have the holy spirit tugging at you and you probably feel like something in life is missing.

Just believe and try your best to follow Jesus' principles on a daily basis. It'll completely change your life for the better.
Atheo Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#14 Jun 10, 2013
Blue Vase wrote:
If you cannot look around and see God everywhere then you are crazy. Things don't assemble themselves over time if left to chance. Things actually get screwed up more over time. The human body is so complex that it obviously had a designer. You do not rely on proof because you have never witnessed macroevolution, you just believe that it exists. I agree that organisms adapt to their environments over time and that natural selection ensures the continuation of favorable traits and other things that give certain species an "edge" over others in survival, but I believe that life has to be breathed into something, it didn't simply just form from non-life.
If I were you, I'd just be enjoying the time I had left on Earth partying, sinning, and just doing whatever I want to. You don't have anyone to answer to. There is no right and wrong.
But no, instead you have the holy spirit tugging at you and you probably feel like something in life is missing.
Just believe and try your best to follow Jesus' principles on a daily basis. It'll completely change your life for the better.
Who created god?
concerned

Alpharetta, GA

#15 Jun 10, 2013
Atheo Aphobos wrote:
<quoted text>
First, let me start by saying that as an atheist I reject your claim of supernatural deities existing.(Satan included)
Let's speak of "satanism" and "satans world". Do you really believe that the devil, satan, lucifer, the deceiver and his demons are all around us, tempting us, leading us away from your imaginary sky daddy? Really?
Have you ever seen a satanic ritual **in person** where they sacrifice animals or human? I'm sure you've seen plenty of propaganda videos at your church. Btw, most animal sacrifices today are done by Christian-primal religion mixes (Santeria, voodoo, etc.) and is definitely not satanic as it is based on the Christian faith.
However, I see children raped by priests in the churches, is that the new "blood sacrifice"? I see that children are exploited, indoctrinated, deceived etc...by the church.
I see more child sacrifice by Christians than by satanists on the news. Parents refusing to inoculate their children of dangerous diseases causing their death. Parents praying over their sick child and refusing medical attention. The pope telling people in Africa that AIDS is bad but condoms are worse.
Religion in all is bad.
Truth, reason, logic, empathy, sympathy, kindness is the way to a better life.
**on a side note:
If satan punishes and tortures the bad, evil people doesn't that make him the good guy?
We all believe you are a pathlogical sociopath. Get help. Nobody cares about your stupidity. You idiot. Go get those kneepads.
concerned

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Jun 10, 2013
Atheo Aphobos wrote:
<quoted text>
Who created god?
We know who created you. A hog with a case of the runs. hahahahahahahahaha
concerned

Alpharetta, GA

#17 Jun 10, 2013
Atheo Aphobos wrote:
<quoted text>
Basically, you believe fairy tales about talking donkeys, snakes and bushes and I understand science and rely on empirical evidence which can be tested and displayed for anyone to see (even if you chose to ignore it). Enough said.
Basically you believe anybody cares about what you think. You idiot. Go get your boytoy.
concerned

Alpharetta, GA

#18 Jun 10, 2013
Atheo Aphobos wrote:
<quoted text>
First, let me start by saying that as an atheist I reject your claim of supernatural deities existing.(Satan included)
Let's speak of "satanism" and "satans world". Do you really believe that the devil, satan, lucifer, the deceiver and his demons are all around us, tempting us, leading us away from your imaginary sky daddy? Really?
Have you ever seen a satanic ritual **in person** where they sacrifice animals or human? I'm sure you've seen plenty of propaganda videos at your church. Btw, most animal sacrifices today are done by Christian-primal religion mixes (Santeria, voodoo, etc.) and is definitely not satanic as it is based on the Christian faith.
However, I see children raped by priests in the churches, is that the new "blood sacrifice"? I see that children are exploited, indoctrinated, deceived etc...by the church.
I see more child sacrifice by Christians than by satanists on the news. Parents refusing to inoculate their children of dangerous diseases causing their death. Parents praying over their sick child and refusing medical attention. The pope telling people in Africa that AIDS is bad but condoms are worse.
Religion in all is bad.
Truth, reason, logic, empathy, sympathy, kindness is the way to a better life.
**on a side note:
If satan punishes and tortures the bad, evil people doesn't that make him the good guy?
You need to start by saying goodbye. hahahahahahahahaha Get down on your knees. hahahahaha
Atheo Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#19 Jun 10, 2013
Blue Vase wrote:
If you cannot look around and see God everywhere then you are crazy. Things don't assemble themselves over time if left to chance. Things actually get screwed up more over time. The human body is so complex that it obviously had a designer. You do not rely on proof because you have never witnessed macroevolution, you just believe that it exists. I agree that organisms adapt to their environments over time and that natural selection ensures the continuation of favorable traits and other things that give certain species an "edge" over others in survival, but I believe that life has to be breathed into something, it didn't simply just form from non-life.
If I were you, I'd just be enjoying the time I had left on Earth partying, sinning, and just doing whatever I want to. You don't have anyone to answer to. There is no right and wrong.
But no, instead you have the holy spirit tugging at you and you probably feel like something in life is missing.
Just believe and try your best to follow Jesus' principles on a daily basis. It'll completely change your life for the better.
So, nature is god? I look around and see the natural world. The world that we can see, touch, feel, taste, smell, hear, breathe in. I don't see a god nor do I see the signature of a "creator".

Things do "assemble" themselves. You're just to simple minded to accept that. You see things like building, paintings and watches and automatically assume their is a creator. Why? Because we know that these things are man made. Complexity does not indicate design.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI101.h...

So you accept parts of evolution yet clearly instill some **special pleading**? You accept that things change gradually (microevoultion) but deny the fact that macroevolution is just microevolution spread out over longer periods of time.

If you were me, you would continue to seek the truth that lies in empirical evidence and not be satisfied with "god did it". That is intellectualy dishonest.

I don't deal in absolutes, as you do. If proper testable evidence were provided to me of the existence of a god, I would accept it. I will still remain skeptical but would be more willing to understand with evidence. The only evidence ever provided has been the bible, which you can't use to prove the existence of god and personal revelation which no other person can see or test.

So, who created god?

How are you so sure that its your god that exists and not one the 1,000's of others that have existed in the history of humankind?
Really

Fayetteville, GA

#20 Jun 10, 2013
God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.(John 4:24)
Note that the Bible says,“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”(Genesis 1:1). Here God created time itself. Only One who is outside of time, that is, timeless, or eternal, could do this.

Now to ask where someone who is eternal, someone who had no beginning, came from (‘Who created God?’) is like asking,‘To whom is the bachelor married?’ It is an irrational question.

Everything which has a beginning has a cause.
The universe has a beginning.
Therefore the universe has a cause.
Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time God is the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15).

The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning.

It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a cause.

The universe therefore requires a cause, just as Genesis 1:1 and Romans 1:20 teach.

God, as creator of time, is outside of time. Since therefore He has no beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn't need a cause.

I really pray this helps you Atheo Aphobos. God is real and I am praying for you

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