CFCMI Christian Church in Norfolk

CFCMI Christian Church in Norfolk

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#1 Sep 12, 2008
This psuedo-church with cult status is focusing on recruiting the military into their organization. Be warned!!!

They are NOT a Christian Church.

CFCMI was founded by LR DAVIS, a homosexual pedophile preacher that preyed upon sailors from our Naval Bases. He raped and molested hundreds over his 30 year tenure as a self-appointed "bishop".

This organization has set up shop in an old Boy's Club building, and again is attempting to lure young men into it's fold. The leaders are corrupt con-men that are only interested in personal financial gain. CFCMI is a highly abusive and financially exploitive organization.

Be Warned---this den of theives and molesters are in your backyard, and have dedicated and named a playground in "honor" of a sodomizing rapist.

google CFCMI, read the available court transcripts to learn more. They are on Azalea Garden Rd. Military men are their main source of supply, so beware!

Be Well and Safe,
Blueflowers
Strawberry Kid

United States

#2 Sep 22, 2008
What Blueflowers says is true.

Beware of anyone from this Church who wants to take you to services or to Bible study. Do not give them any contact information: name, phone number, address etc. They are really pushy. THEY ARE A CULT!!!

The family of L.R. Davis currently runs CFCMI. His two sons-in-law are the General Pastors.

They currently have less than 130 members, 50 of which is staff. Their population is aging. They are trying to get new sailors to replace the older ones who are ailing.

Their staff members have historically given 80-90 percent of income to their sham church. Tax refunds are turned in, too. Pastor wear designer suits, live in mansions, and collect cars and motorcycles.

The good news is I think Norfolk is catching on. Some charities have backed out of collaborating with CFCMI. I'm sorry to report that the United Way of South Hampton Roads stopped by Friday 9/19/08 to help them do house cleaning in preparation for their Sunday service in their new Gym.

Get the word out. I wish there were a way to help those contemplating leaving or those who have just left.

God Bless!
James

Waukegan, IL

#3 Dec 12, 2008
This place is run by scam artists, pretending to be Ministers.

It is an abusive, mind-controling cult that victimizes mostly sailors!
MarcoT

Waukegan, IL

#4 Jan 3, 2009
My buddy left that place quite a while ago....they didn't want him to talk to girls, let alone have a girlfriend!(he had one anyway) He thought it was too weird. Lots of guys were gay there. He didn't want to be hit on so he left. What that guy said about them wanting only sailors is true obviously and sick. He told me there are "funny" things going on there. He's glad he only went a few times and wasn't re-baptized there like they wanted.
The people were pressured into buying Quikstar products to support the Pastors, who were the uplines.
I guess if your a homosexual that likes buying overpriced things, you should pay that place a vist.
MarcoT

Waukegan, IL

#5 Jan 3, 2009
My buddy visited there a few times. He said something "funny" was going on there; lots of guys are gay and they didn't want him to talk to evil girls, or have a girlfriend (he had one anyway) so he left because he didn't want to get hit on or spend his money buying the stuff they wanted him to buy. They wanted him to get re-baptized in there to because it would "save" him. So obviously what that guy said about the sailors is true and sick.
MarcoT

Waukegan, IL

#6 Jan 3, 2009
sorry my post went through two times. sorry about that. I hope i didn't make any gay guys mad or anything but that is what happened.

I think that God loves everyone but it is wrong for a church to tell you not to date girls if you want to; especially sailors they don't just want to sit around reading the bible and all.
Sayso

Waukegan, IL

#7 Jan 3, 2009
SO WHAT what if a bunch of homosexual sailors have their own cult!!!!!

It's called Freedom of Religion.
John Cady

Essex, MD

#8 Jan 16, 2009
The leadership of CFCMI know me very well. I was at one time a licensed minister with this organization, and was very active in the ministry on the naval bases. Why did I walk out? To be brief, I was tired of seeing what went on behind the scenes not match what was preached. In the nearly six years since I left, I have written numerous articles about the inner workings of CFCMI and their history. I am not proud of my involvement in pressuring and harrassing sailors, especially since I am retired Navy as well.

I will bring up a glaring example of Ed Thomas' continued poor judgment: naming a field after L.R. Davis, a convicted sex offender whose 1992 conviction in Lake County, Illinois is public record. I discussed this matter in August 2008 on Les Kinsolving's radio show on WCBM-680 in Baltimore. The overall response was one of disgust because who in their right mind would name ANYTHING after a convicted rapist and child molester - especially in a church? Knowing what I know now, I will never bring my child anywhere near that place.

"Coming Together, Moving Up" was a last-ditch effort to save what is left of a movement that at one time boasted nearly 1000 in attendance in Waukegan, Illinois alone; 400 in Norfolk; 250 in San Diego; and nearly 100 in Florida. The last time I saw a group coming together like this was Jonestown...and the result was one of the worst tragedies in US history.

Norfolk officials: maybe you can't shut them down, but you can certainly take a closer look and sift through all of Peter F. Paine and Ed Thomas' smoke and mirrors games. I do not want to see anyone else get hurt.
John Cady

Essex, MD

#9 Jan 19, 2009
Lame Puppy

Ed Thomas (from the Pillars website): "Church has become such a lame puppy. It's a dog that can't hunt. What good is a hunting dog that can't hunt? It poops in the house, eats your food, and doesn't listen to what you say. It's no good."

Ed seems to be overly critical of the mess he made of CFCMI. At one time CFCMI at least appeared to be yielding a lot of fruit. On the surface, it looked pretty good. Now, it has been revealed for what it really is: nice on the surface but rotten on the inside.

Matthew 7:16-19 -[16]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

The irony of all this is that Ed himself used to preach about being good fruit inspectors. As many of us grew in the faith and became a more integral part of of the CFCMI inner circle, we realized much of what we learned in the Bible did not jive with what went on behind closed doors. We saw the lies, corruption, and hidden sin. We knew what was wrong and went to those in charge to get the problem fixed - to no avail. That is why many of us walked out.

When a dog goes lame, we take that poor mutt to the veteranarian to try and nurse him to health. We take the dog to obedience classes to learn to listen to the owner. Jesus does the same thing:

Luke 13:6-9 -[6] He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.[7] Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?[8] And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:[9] And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

God will allow a space of time for people to repent and get their act together. However, as shown in this parable, that space is finite. How so?

Genesis 6:3 - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

As in the days of Noah, it is the same now. God will eventually require an accounting of not just people, but organizations for the works they did, whether they be good or evil. CFCMI has been given an unbelievable amount of space to repent; however, that time may be drawing quickly to a close as we see continued declines in attendance, new converts, and everything else. The leaders practically worship their fallen founder, who lived a life of secret sin that ruined all that was in the CFCMI structure from the foundation up.

How does all this tie in to the lame dog? Well, where I grew up, if it never got better, we put the old dog to sleep.
Strawberry Kid

United States

#10 Jan 22, 2009
So if Ed Thomas is calling CFCMI a lame puppy and useless and disobedient, could it mean that the members of Christian Fellowship Church are not knuckling under his control anymore? Maybe they are leading more independent lives and keeping more of their hard earned money. I am seeing great unrest in his flock from what he is preaching.

I think the total count of CFCMI nationwide is around 100, and that is being liberal.
John Cady

Essex, MD

#11 Feb 2, 2009
We have here first hand evidence - from the mouth of one of CFCMI's own - how they harrass sailors. The source of this transcript excerpt is the Pillars website.

Hubert Ulysse: "One day I was on the USS Nassau, and two brothers came to pick me up. But I decided that I was not going to church before I went to practice my studies. I had to get dressed very fast, because the two brothers knew exactly when I got off work. So I got to the quarterdeck at the same time that these two brothers arrived to ask for me. And they said, "Let's go to church." And I said, "No, I will go later; when I am ready, I will call for a ride." One of the brothers said, "No, you're coming now. And I said, "No, I am not coming." That brother said, "Let's call Pastor Thomas." And I said, "No, I am not calling Pastor Thomas." The other brother didn't say anything, but I could tell, as they turned to leave, that he was praying for me. Finally I said, "No, wait; I'll come." And that was the last time; after that I stopped fighting God."

The brief account revealed quite a few nuggets of gold:

- The staffers who looked him up knew when he got off work, and even when he was on duty. CFCMI kept very good records on any military members who attended.

- The staffers badgered him and coerced him into leaving with him that moment, not even allowing Hubert to make the choice to call later once he finished his studies for a Navy advancement exam. This happened a lot; sometimes CFCMI would tell the Navy guys they could study at the church, but there were times that promise was empty as the time offered was short. This illustrates harrassment in its purest form, regardless of motive.

- Threatening to call Ed letting him know Hubert wasn't coming to church that night. More harrassment and a forced guilt trip; CFCMI capitalized on Hubert's inherent love for God, and a desire not to make his new friends angry, and used it against him.

- Hubert then shared how he quit fighting God at the end of the story. I am sure this was true, but was there an undercurrent of giving in to the bullying tactics? I have shared the same exact story Hubert did, as have many others. Sadly, many of the men who are sent to the ships and barracks to look up others do so out of a sincere heart; their motive is right, but the avenue is wrong.

No church or any other organization has the right to keep harrassing someone, especially when they say "NO". We all have the right to choose what to do with our lives, and ultimately we must answer to God and not a group of control freaks. To any military leaders who read this: ask your personnel if they have been approached for information and repeatedly badgered by people like CFCMI. They need protection from harrassment, and need to be encouraged their chain of command will ensure that protection is enforced.
Strawberry Kid

United States

#12 Mar 16, 2009
Did you read the one about Ed daring those in CFCMI to lick a live extension cord with bare wire hanging out? What a sicko!!
Sweet

Waukegan, IL

#13 Mar 22, 2009
He should go first--and do humanity a favor.
Ano

La Crosse, WI

#14 May 26, 2011
This so called church sounds like a cult. Do any of you think they are like that Family Radio group who though the world would end? I wonder why people are so easily duped into joining such fraudulent organizations.
I hate child rapists

Peoria, AZ

#15 Nov 16, 2011
Oh, CFCMI is definitely a cult. High school graduates Edward J. Thomas Jr. and Pete F. Paine are the "pastors" of this farce, which was founded by their father-in-law L.R. Davis, an Arkansas hillbilly, with an advanced sixth grade education, that was later convicted of raping young boys and sent to prison (he was Jerry Sandusky before they was a Jerry Sandusky). These two religious freaks dupe gullible sailors into thinking that they are "Men of God" [pause here for lightning, thunder and earthquakes] and they convince these poor suckers to give them most of their money. Ed--the one with a fetish for licking electrical wires--is in reality, a crybaby wimp.
Belial

East Saint Louis, IL

#16 Dec 6, 2012
When I went back in 2000, I was terrified and I couldn't leave cause of the fear. I was stationed in Norfolk at the time and in the end I did leave. The scary thing was the whole being baptized in Jesus name theologically made a lot of sense. I was a very strong and committed Christian at the time, and one thing I am thankful for from this cult was showing me the REALLY nasty side of Christianity and how the Bible is so ambiguous. It wasn't until years later bouncing back and forth from one church to another that I finally stopped believing in God altogether. I suppose I owe that cult, the book "I kissed dating goodbye" by Josh Harris, other churches with cookey bullshit ideas such as "self esteem is of the world, self esteem is evil, you should hate yourself"(which was at a Baptist church in Va. Beach-wish that cocksucking pastor had the daily suicidal thoughts I used to have so he could see just how "evil" self esteem is). I owe my Atheism in large part to people like this church so anyone who was fortunate enough to denounce Christianity owes them a debt of gratitude. I want to go back and pretend to go along, plant falsified evidence, poison, roaches, etc etc and then call the health department so the authorities would start taking a long hard look at them. Break up a few of their marriages(the people in power from what I remember, not Wheeler or Thomas, but the married couple, plant some porn on their computer for instance, start rumors, that sort of thing). Maybe put a small snake in their desks. I would love to be Satan in their midst and be responsible for destroying their church through misdirection, that would be so much fun!!! I would so fuck them up lying right through my teeth cause I truly hate them.
Emperor 666

Vancouver, WA

#17 Jan 20, 2013
I was ordained and attended for 14 years until I began putting the pieces together from seeing what really was going on versus what the leadership said... Kind of hard to maintain a vow of "eunichship" (i.e. celibacy) when all of the leaders were married and going home to a nice house each night while we slept in crowded apartments on the floor...

Everything everyone has sad is true - avoid this place like the plague.

Lastly, I do want to thank them for one thing... it led me to see the "phallacy" in the nazarene way and led me to my true calling in traditional Satanism.

Go fuck yourself Christian Fellowship Ministries. May you rot on this earth as you take advantage of the gullible.

I long for the day when I hear that you have closed your doors.
just so sad

Chalmette, LA

#18 Apr 30, 2013
I am very heartbroken to hear that the things I have heard are true. I use to be a part of this church back in 1992. I have broken away from it in. 2002. I'm glad I am no longer a part of this church. I didn't know hardly anything about God until I came to this church. Because of them I don't wish to be part of any church but I still love the Lord. I feel so stupid that I went to LR Davis's funeral. I was in the dark about everything until after we left VA and came to Texas. So many marriages broke up around 2002 and after. Because we came to Texas and there was no church we weren't allowed to go to any other churches. They would send us tapes of the services. I blame them for why I had a nervous breakdown and snapped. No I have lost my family. I met my husband from there. He divorced me in 2005. I'm glad he did. He was a sorry piece of crap. Fcfc screwed up the men. I love God but don't care for churches. I hope everyone who was a part of fcfc can heal and move on. I have
John Cady

Dundalk, MD

#19 May 4, 2013
To just so sad:

I know you and your ex-husband very well. I was a close friend of his when we were all in CFCMI, and I was happy for both of you when I learned you got married (I was deployed at the time). I am sure the kids are all teenagers by now, or close to it; I am also sorry that your family life went south like it did.

Hopefully, we will see more of you here. The majority of people who post here are men; we would gladly welcome a woman's perspective on how CFCMI pretty much treated you as second class citizens...unless of course you were related to or married into the family.

My prayers are with you, your ex-husband, and your kids.

God bless, John
Checking the vital signs

Sweden

#21 Jan 2, 2014
There's a thread on Factnet called "What would bring CFCMI its fatal blow?"

How about negative growth?

The self-proclaimed "Largest JESUS Name Ministry in the World!" reported 47 baptisms in 2013. There were 62 in 2012. That's a 25% decline.

A poll was taken last year on the month that this POS cult goes kaput. I like February.

PS: You can't reliably post on Factnet anymore. The forum jumped the shark last year when they tried to embrace causes such as Global Warming, Pot Smoking, and every other wonderful thing under the sun. The forum software regressed as well; functionality is nonexistent and I wouldn't trust the security as far as I could throw Pam Thomas. No big deal though. CFCMI, like Factnet, is as dead as LR Davis.

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