Shepherds Chapel? Cult?

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Since: Sep 09

In Your Head

#154 Jun 5, 2012
faith wrote:
The closer you draw to Jesus, you dont feel how great you are. You feel how small you are and how great He is. That doesnt happen with people who worship the idols they created. Its shame that you dont realize that a Creation has a Creator, with a plan for His Creation, that you dont see the hand of God in your own life, that you dont see the work of God in a low place, and most importantly that you dont know Jesus bore your sin and shame for you to just believe and accept it. God has given you the faith to do so. For that their is judgment. BTW - Arnold Murray is a good dude, a marine, a war veteran. He goes through the Bible line by line and verse by verse. He is not always correct, but you could open a Bible too and seek God for the truth. God doesnt call you to always be correct or perfect. But, He does call you to seek Him, and be loyal, so He can fulfill the plan He has for your life.
The Mormons believe the creator had a creator.

This is what Mitt Romney believes, but I bet most Christian's will vote for this nutcaase.

The only faith I truly have is everyone is wrong about what they think God said or meant.

“Use Your Prepper Sense”

Since: Sep 09

In Your Head

#155 Jun 5, 2012
Faith, one last thing.

I can tell you are a nice, very sincere person that means well. I do appreciate that.

My problem is, I do not accept the bible as the inspired word of God, nor does the bible make such a claim.
newie

Campbellsville, KY

#156 Jun 5, 2012
Jimmy Rants wrote:
Faith, one last thing.
I can tell you are a nice, very sincere person that means well. I do appreciate that.
My problem is, I do not accept the bible as the inspired word of God, nor does the bible make such a claim.
Your wife is nasty and ugly!@!! You ruined me!!

“Use Your Prepper Sense”

Since: Sep 09

In Your Head

#157 Jun 5, 2012
newie wrote:
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Your wife is nasty and ugly!@!! You ruined me!!
Try to brace up and over come it if you can.
dennis7MN

Clear Lake, MN

#158 Jun 29, 2012
I have been watching Shepherds Chapel for years, i can testify this Church does not meet the criteria for a cult. If anything it is the opposite of a cult. Everyone, any race can benefit by learning Gods Word chapter by chapter verse by verse when being tought by very well educated people like the Sehpherd Chapel staff. Everything you ever need to know is in the bible. "Behold I have told you all things" Where do you geniuses think that quote came from. I will help you, the bible. This is a great way to learn all about God's letter to you,but with experts to help you learn the truth, the proper interpretation of the letter. The truth will set you free. God Bless the Shepherds Chapel, Gods Best Soldiers. Join the force.
faith

Sardinia, OH

#159 Jul 8, 2012
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 4:18. So, the Bible does declare itself to be the Word of God. And when the Bible says to love the Lord God with all your heart, soul and mind and seek Him; And when God makes salvation available to all man by sending Himself so that none shall perish, is it God's fault that you reject Him, do not believe and/or chose to follow other things? Why do you say that that is your problem? Do you know the Bible answers that. There is none righteous (apart from those with a relationship in Jesus Christ, because of His work on the cross). No not one. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We need a Savior and He has given us one. Youmay have heard,'Jesus loves me Yes I Know, because the Bible tells me so.'
Jimmy Rants wrote:
Faith, one last thing.
I can tell you are a nice, very sincere person that means well. I do appreciate that.
My problem is, I do not accept the bible as the inspired word of God, nor does the bible make such a claim.
faith

Sardinia, OH

#160 Jul 8, 2012
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said,‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
Jimmy Rants wrote:
<quoted text>
The Mormons believe the creator had a creator.
This is what Mitt Romney believes, but I bet most Christian's will vote for this nutcaase.
The only faith I truly have is everyone is wrong about what they think God said or meant.

“Use Your Prepper Sense”

Since: Sep 09

In Your Head

#161 Jul 8, 2012
faith wrote:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 4:18. So, the Bible does declare itself to be the Word of God. And when the Bible says to love the Lord God with all your heart, soul and mind and seek Him; And when God makes salvation available to all man by sending Himself so that none shall perish, is it God's fault that you reject Him, do not believe and/or chose to follow other things? Why do you say that that is your problem? Do you know the Bible answers that. There is none righteous (apart from those with a relationship in Jesus Christ, because of His work on the cross). No not one. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We need a Savior and He has given us one. Youmay have heard,'Jesus loves me Yes I Know, because the Bible tells me so.'
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I do not accept the bible as the inspired word of God, nor does it make that claim.

It's more like what man thought God said, or meant.

Let's be honest here.
faith

Sardinia, OH

#162 Jul 8, 2012
The Bible says that man is born a sinner. The only thing required to be a sinner is to be born. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." That the wages of sin are death. All have missed the mark and will continue to miss the mark apart from the One true holy Living God of the Bible, who has freely given live to those who will receive it. What could be more honest or true or llving and just than that.
Jimmy Rants wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not accept the bible as the inspired word of God, nor does it make that claim.
It's more like what man thought God said, or meant.
Let's be honest here.

“Use Your Prepper Sense”

Since: Sep 09

In Your Head

#163 Jul 8, 2012
faith wrote:
The Bible says that man is born a sinner. The only thing required to be a sinner is to be born. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." That the wages of sin are death. All have missed the mark and will continue to miss the mark apart from the One true holy Living God of the Bible, who has freely given live to those who will receive it. What could be more honest or true or llving and just than that.
<quoted text>
What you are saying is fine and dandy if one accepts the bible as the inherent word of God. I do not.

It matters not to me what the bible says. You might as well be quoting from the Egyptian holy Book, "The Book of the Dead."

That also means nothing to me.

If all you have is a bible to defend your belief system, then you have no proof of anything, only hearsay, and your personal interpretation.

If your God knew everything, always did, always will, then this means your god knew that most men would fail, and end up in a fiery hell. Since your god knew this beforehand, and allowed the creation process to take place, that makes your god, mean, vicious, and vile. I cannot worship anything like that. Sorry.

I'm not apart of the choir, so I do not believe by faith, or wishful thinking, as many do.

I need empirical evidence.

Please do not come back at me with more bible quotes, or scriptures. I do not accept them as truth like you do.

I look at it like a huge joke on all of humanity.

“Use Your Prepper Sense”

Since: Sep 09

In Your Head

#164 Jul 8, 2012
dennis7MN wrote:
I have been watching Shepherds Chapel for years, i can testify this Church does not meet the criteria for a cult. If anything it is the opposite of a cult. Everyone, any race can benefit by learning Gods Word chapter by chapter verse by verse when being tought by very well educated people like the Sehpherd Chapel staff. Everything you ever need to know is in the bible. "Behold I have told you all things" Where do you geniuses think that quote came from. I will help you, the bible. This is a great way to learn all about God's letter to you,but with experts to help you learn the truth, the proper interpretation of the letter. The truth will set you free. God Bless the Shepherds Chapel, Gods Best Soldiers. Join the force.
All churches are cults.

Sorry!
faith

Sardinia, OH

#165 Jul 9, 2012
God's grace is greater than Adam's sin, your sin, the law. He allows free choice, because of love. He is just fair. You could have God's grace, but reject it. What does that say about you. Yes, he already knew but loves you anyway. He is all powerful but cant save you, if you wont let Him work. The only reason people go to hell is because they reject God's offer of forgiveness, not disobedience, lust, lealousy, murder, hypocrisy, lying. He calls people to follow Him faithfully, not to be perfect. Jesus says follow Him, not His foollowers. "I am the Lord your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go. Isaiah 48:17 THe Bible is not an option; it is necessity if we are going to be rooted in Him (which He wants for you because He is loving and knows what is best), the Creator, the One who wrote the Owner's Manual. How does the Bible help us develop spiritually? First, it points us to the truth - about God, about ourselves, about the world around us, about the future, and most of all about Jesus Christ and His love for us. Only Jesus - the incarnate Son of God - could say, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me... Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father" John 14:6;9 The Christian faith isnt a matter of personal opinion or unfounded optimism. It is rooted in the unchanging word truth of God, revealed to us in the pages of thewritten word The Bible is the constant rain that waters our root system of faith. It is the inspiration from which we drink daily. The world has its own values and goal, self gratification, success, pleasure, security, pride and so forth. But, these are false and they will never give us the lasting security and peace we seek. God created us this way with a longing for eternity and needs that can only be fulfilled in Him.
Jimmy Rants wrote:
<quoted text>
What you are saying is fine and dandy if one accepts the bible as the inherent word of God. I do not.
It matters not to me what the bible says. You might as well be quoting from the Egyptian holy Book, "The Book of the Dead."
That also means nothing to me.
If all you have is a bible to defend your belief system, then you have no proof of anything, only hearsay, and your personal interpretation.
If your God knew everything, always did, always will, then this means your god knew that most men would fail, and end up in a fiery hell. Since your god knew this beforehand, and allowed the creation process to take place, that makes your god, mean, vicious, and vile. I cannot worship anything like that. Sorry.
I'm not apart of the choir, so I do not believe by faith, or wishful thinking, as many do.
I need empirical evidence.
Please do not come back at me with more bible quotes, or scriptures. I do not accept them as truth like you do.
I look at it like a huge joke on all of humanity.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#166 Jul 9, 2012
faith wrote:
God's grace is greater than Adam's sin, your sin, the law. He allows free choice, because of love. He is just fair. You could have God's grace, but reject it. What does that say about you. Yes, he already knew but loves you anyway. He is all powerful but cant save you, if you wont let Him work. The only reason people go to hell is because they reject God's offer of forgiveness, not disobedience, lust, lealousy, murder, hypocrisy, lying. He calls people to follow Him faithfully, not to be perfect. Jesus says follow Him, not His foollowers. "I am the Lord your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go. Isaiah 48:17 THe Bible is not an option; it is necessity if we are going to be rooted in Him (which He wants for you because He is loving and knows what is best), the Creator, the One who wrote the Owner's Manual. How does the Bible help us develop spiritually? First, it points us to the truth - about God, about ourselves, about the world around us, about the future, and most of all about Jesus Christ and His love for us. Only Jesus - the incarnate Son of God - could say, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me... Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father" John 14:6;9 The Christian faith isnt a matter of personal opinion or unfounded optimism. It is rooted in the unchanging word truth of God, revealed to us in the pages of thewritten word The Bible is the constant rain that waters our root system of faith. It is the inspiration from which we drink daily. The world has its own values and goal, self gratification, success, pleasure, security, pride and so forth. But, these are false and they will never give us the lasting security and peace we seek. God created us this way with a longing for eternity and needs that can only be fulfilled in Him.
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May I suggest you read "The End Of Faith" by Sam Harris. It is a really good book and explains a lot of reasons why people doubt that the Bible or any holy book is true.

“Use Your Prepper Sense”

Since: Sep 09

In Your Head

#167 Jul 9, 2012
circus life wrote:
<quoted text>
May I suggest you read "The End Of Faith" by Sam Harris. It is a really good book and explains a lot of reasons why people doubt that the Bible or any holy book is true.
YES, YES, and YES. Did I say YES? lmao

There is no use in trying to reason with unreasonable people.

Not to be mean, but I have said, I do not accept the bible as the inspired book from God. I also say, please do not come at me with more scriptures. It's worthless too me. What do they do? Come at me with more ad nausea.

These CHURCHanity "Sheeple People" need to learn the mind is like a parachute, it does no good closed.<---I wish I knew who stated that, but I don't.

I can historically prove to all of these CHURCHanity people their bible is a copy, or a stolen group of writings from other ancient religions 1,000s of years older than Christianity. In fact, Christianity is the newest religion on the planet with exception of Islam.

It's a shame Christians are not willing to do an open minded research of their own religion.

They won't.

Why?

Because their mental vehicle is hooked to an oxen, while we are hooked to a jet in the 21st Century.

Leave the Sluggards behind. lol
faith

Sardinia, OH

#168 Jul 18, 2012
"Oh, the depths of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! "For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor? Or who has first give to Him And it shall be repaid to him? For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen."
Jimmy Rants wrote:
<quoted text>
What you are saying is fine and dandy if one accepts the bible as the inherent word of God. I do not.
It matters not to me what the bible says. You might as well be quoting from the Egyptian holy Book, "The Book of the Dead."
That also means nothing to me.
If all you have is a bible to defend your belief system, then you have no proof of anything, only hearsay, and your personal interpretation.
If your God knew everything, always did, always will, then this means your god knew that most men would fail, and end up in a fiery hell. Since your god knew this beforehand, and allowed the creation process to take place, that makes your god, mean, vicious, and vile. I cannot worship anything like that. Sorry.
I'm not apart of the choir, so I do not believe by faith, or wishful thinking, as many do.
I need empirical evidence.
Please do not come back at me with more bible quotes, or scriptures. I do not accept them as truth like you do.
I look at it like a huge joke on all of humanity.
faith

Sardinia, OH

#170 Jul 18, 2012
Children of God will always point you to the Bible. To do less, is to try to sell their influence no God's power to save. He is more than capable. He has told you through other His plan of redemption. And, your mind has continuously been like a closed parachute. It has hardened your heart and caused you to become arrogant, elevating yourself above God. He is more than capable, but you must be willing. You have been unwilling and received an entire life of His mercy, which you have taken for weakness. The Word of God is the power of power of God, which is the power of salvation and the basis of His system of government. You do not follow that, so you succumb to satan's strategy to keep you under the power of darkess. Someday, you WILL underatand the truth about yourself, that you are a spirit born of God, an enemy of God unless or until you receive His offer of reconciliation. You continue to be guided by your feelings, or your intellect (their are a lot of people in the grave that had intellect) you will go to the grave separated from God, without any connection to God, because you really do not want to be with Him. He is only fair.
Jimmy Rants wrote:
<quoted text>
YES, YES, and YES. Did I say YES? lmao
There is no use in trying to reason with unreasonable people.
Not to be mean, but I have said, I do not accept the bible as the inspired book from God. I also say, please do not come at me with more scriptures. It's worthless too me. What do they do? Come at me with more ad nausea.
These CHURCHanity "Sheeple People" need to learn the mind is like a parachute, it does no good closed.<---I wish I knew who stated that, but I don't.
I can historically prove to all of these CHURCHanity people their bible is a copy, or a stolen group of writings from other ancient religions 1,000s of years older than Christianity. In fact, Christianity is the newest religion on the planet with exception of Islam.
It's a shame Christians are not willing to do an open minded research of their own religion.
They won't.
Why?
Because their mental vehicle is hooked to an oxen, while we are hooked to a jet in the 21st Century.
Leave the Sluggards behind. lol
The Great and Powerful OZ

Jackson, OH

#171 Jul 18, 2012
faith wrote:
Children of God will always point you to the Bible. To do less, is to try to sell their influence no God's power to save. He is more than capable. He has told you through other His plan of redemption. And, your mind has continuously been like a closed parachute. It has hardened your heart and caused you to become arrogant, elevating yourself above God. He is more than capable, but you must be willing. You have been unwilling and received an entire life of His mercy, which you have taken for weakness. The Word of God is the power of power of God, which is the power of salvation and the basis of His system of government. You do not follow that, so you succumb to satan's strategy to keep you under the power of darkess. Someday, you WILL underatand the truth about yourself, that you are a spirit born of God, an enemy of God unless or until you receive His offer of reconciliation. You continue to be guided by your feelings, or your intellect (their are a lot of people in the grave that had intellect) you will go to the grave separated from God, without any connection to God, because you really do not want to be with Him. He is only fair.
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Did the wicked witch dope you up with poppies?

Or are you just without a brain like the scarecrow?

I bet money you molest young boys and cheat your neighbors too!

REPENT!

PRAISE BE OZ!
PRAISE BE MY HOLY NAME!

PRAISE BE!
jmaker

Viroqua, WI

#172 Jul 23, 2012
NewVille Father wrote:
“They could tattoo “666” from your head to your feet and it would not change your feelings or mind about Christ. This is important. I hope you understand”(Newsletter #264 Oct.2000).
I got this from here: http://www.forgottenword.org/arnold-murray.ht...
That is not what the bible says will happen. If you take the mark, you will be damned to hell. It doesn't matter if you take it "just because". So, if what I've read and posted here is true, the guy is leading a cult. Sorry if I offended you, Jeff.
Do you understand what the mark even is?
jmaker

Viroqua, WI

#173 Jul 23, 2012
Jimmy Rants wrote:
<quoted text>
YES, YES, and YES. Did I say YES? lmao
There is no use in trying to reason with unreasonable people.
Not to be mean, but I have said, I do not accept the bible as the inspired book from God. I also say, please do not come at me with more scriptures. It's worthless too me. What do they do? Come at me with more ad nausea.
These CHURCHanity "Sheeple People" need to learn the mind is like a parachute, it does no good closed.<---I wish I knew who stated that, but I don't.
I can historically prove to all of these CHURCHanity people their bible is a copy, or a stolen group of writings from other ancient religions 1,000s of years older than Christianity. In fact, Christianity is the newest religion on the planet with exception of Islam.
It's a shame Christians are not willing to do an open minded research of their own religion.
They won't.
Why?
Because their mental vehicle is hooked to an oxen, while we are hooked to a jet in the 21st Century.
Leave the Sluggards behind. lol
You say you can prove that it's stolen? So prove it!
jmaker

Viroqua, WI

#174 Jul 23, 2012
The bible is like a puzzle. You can find many different scriptures refering to the same subject in the Old Testament and the New Testament. You have to be saved because the only way to the Father is through the Son. God gave us free will to choose Him or to choose satan. Who's side are you on and which one will you choose. satan is the father of this world not God. satan throws road blocks into your life to try and get you to disobey The One True Living God. All I can say is that I'm on the winning side. The world will battle for my heart but the war has already been won!

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