Teen girls shown in Twitter video putting helpless kitten in the microwave and turning it on

Sep 11, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Daily Mail

Two teenage girls who uploaded a video of them giggling as they put a kitten in a microwave, which they then turned on, have landed themselves in trouble with the police.

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These girls are in need of long term counseling. They should be punished by the law for such an act. There is a fine line between animal cruelty and human cruelty. More than community service is needed in this case. Some time spent In J.D., and counseling . If they get buy with just a slap on the hand-What will they do next? This is really sad.
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typing fast. typo by-not buy. Still can't believe these teens are so cruel. The act speaks the truth.
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Its not a problem there's a surplus of kittens.

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the truth wrote:
These girls are in need of long term counseling. They should be punished by the law for such an act. There is a fine line between animal cruelty and human cruelty. More than community service is needed in this case. Some time spent In J.D., and counseling . If they get buy with just a slap on the hand-What will they do next? This is really sad.
There isn't evidence that animal abuse predicts human abuse. That is an inaccurate statement that has been said so many times that people believe it despite the fact that peer reviewed research has not demonstrated this.
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Why is cooking your food a problem?
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Better do some more some more research. There have been thousands of criminal cases where the criminal was found to have started young abusing animals. These confessors might have been abused as children. That is still not an excuse for putting a kitten in a microwave,turning it on, then post a video on web.

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The truth wrote:
Better do some more some more research. There have been thousands of criminal cases where the criminal was found to have started young abusing animals. These confessors might have been abused as children. That is still not an excuse for putting a kitten in a microwave,turning it on, then post a video on web.
What does that have to do with animal abuse being a predictor of human abuse? It has been well established that those who do not empathize with humans also do not empathize with animals. That is a different subject. What there is a lack of research for is animal abuse being a predictor of future human abuse.
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LAWL !
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oh my sweet lord. that can't be right.
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USA R0CKS wrote:
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What does that have to do with animal abuse being a predictor of human abuse? It has been well established that those who do not empathize with humans also do not empathize with animals. That is a different subject. What there is a lack of research for is animal abuse being a predictor of future human abuse.
Research has been done on those that do not empathize with humans. My point was research has been done on those that abuse animals. Not always known when these are young children. It is like they wear a mask. They may seem to have normal relationships with family and peers. The same applies to adults. They are sit sickos.

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The truth wrote:
<quoted text> Research has been done on those that do not empathize with humans. My point was research has been done on those that abuse animals. Not always known when these are young children. It is like they wear a mask. They may seem to have normal relationships with family and peers. The same applies to adults. They are sit sickos.
the research is on a variety of different kinds of human abuse. the sample is from human abusers. the findings of the study can only describe characteristics of people who abuse humans. For example, if you find someone who abuses their spouse, we can conclude that is is very likely they abuse animals. If we have a serial killer, we can conclude that this person likely abused animals in the past. That is how generalization works. you take your sample (human abusers) and extrapolate the information that was gleaned. It is erroneous to conclude predictability in the correlates of human abusers. The finds are "if human abuse (the sample), then previous animal abuse. It does not follow that if animal abuse, then human abuse. It is a logic error and an generalization error according to the laws of science to make the conclusions you are making.

Let me put this another way. Human abusers also tend to be men. Being a man neither predicts or predisposes someone to being an animal abuser. Human abusers have all eaten pizza at some time in their life. Eating pizza does not predispose someone to being an human abuser. Every single human abuser breaths air. Breathing air does not predispose or predict human abuse.

I will try yet another way to explain this according to the laws of logic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_co...
Affirming the consequent, sometimes called converse error or fallacy of the converse, is a formal fallacy of inferring the converse from the original statement. The corresponding argument has the general form:

If P, then Q.
Q.
Therefore, P.

If P (human abuse), then (history of animal abuse)
Q (animal abuse).
Therefore, P (human abuse).
^^logic error.

If P (human abuse), then (breaths air).
Q (breathes air).
Therefore P (human abuse)
^^logic error.

And before you say "animal abuse happened first", so did breathing.

I hope this clears things up.
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wrong again, as usual unsung blockhead. nobody here is affirming the consequent, except you with your twisted, warped and unreasonable example. the fact is that BEGGING THE QUESTION and the AD HOMINEM ABUSIVE are prime examples of logical fallacies, and as such are perfectly useless for purposes of this discussion.

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wrong again, as usual unsung blockhead. nobody here is affirming the consequent, except you with your twisted, warped and unreasonable example. the fact is that BEGGING THE QUESTION and the AD HOMINEM ABUSIVE are prime examples of logical fallacies, and as such are perfectly useless for purposes of this discussion.
I neither begging the question nor using ad hominem attacks (that would actually be you). If you (or anyone else) concludes that because people who abuse humans have a past history of animal "abuse," then those who abuse animals will become human abusers, then you are in fact affirming the consequent. I really wish you could understand this logical concept.
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wrong again unsung blockhead. yes you are begging the question. your aloof, spurious non-examples and synthetic commentary is proof positive of this. yes you are engaging in spiritless, cheap and meaningless personal attacks aka ad hominem abusive. there can be no doubt. you are not attacking the issues you are attacking the credibility of those who choose you point out the completely illogical, random and obtuse nature of your vapid and irrelevant posts. enough said.

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mojo karma cookie wrote:
wrong again unsung blockhead. yes you are begging the question. your aloof, spurious non-examples and synthetic commentary is proof positive of this. yes you are engaging in spiritless, cheap and meaningless personal attacks aka ad hominem abusive. there can be no doubt. you are not attacking the issues you are attacking the credibility of those who choose you point out the completely illogical, random and obtuse nature of your vapid and irrelevant posts. enough said.
Actually, I am discussing the objective findings (or lack thereof) of science.
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wrong again unsung blockhead. your malevolent, ridiculous, off-topic and illogical DUMBYist mumbo jumbo doublespeak speaks for itself.
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LOL "unsung Blockhead"
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I think the question should be more....what's the difference??

the kitten was scared. It would have been in pain, the situation was dangerous, and the act showed a lack of empathy and a lack of foresight. These are common for younger children, and teenagers do stupid things. But the real question should not be "does this mean they'll do it to people later?" as if that is the line that we draw here. The line should be drawn at cruelty at all, and the worry should be that these teenage girls saw a living thing as a dispensable tool for their entertainment, and that they could not empathise with another living being enough to understand that putting a baby in a microwave is a cruel thing to do. That may not mean that they will do that to a person, but it does certainly say something about their ability to connect with living beings other than themselves. They may merely have not thought things through. However, if they were to do some counselling sessions and some community service now, they would hopefully learn through counselling why they were not able to empathise with that animal and build on their social skills at a young age, and they would be shown that regardless of circumstance, age, gender, social status, or how much you cry to a judge that you didn't mean it, you need to think through your actions before you carry them out because crimes will be punished and whether you "meant to" or whether you were having a bad day or your friends told you to do it isn't going to make any difference in your adult life. That's a lesson I would rather that they learned now with the help of their family and a counsellor.

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There isn't evidence that animal abuse predicts human abuse. That is an inaccurate statement that has been said so many times that people believe it despite the fact that peer reviewed research has not demonstrated this.
Provide your "peer reviewed research".

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Rin wrote:
I think the question should be more....what's the difference??
the kitten was scared. It would have been in pain, the situation was dangerous, and the act showed a lack of empathy and a lack of foresight. These are common for younger children, and teenagers do stupid things. But the real question should not be "does this mean they'll do it to people later?" as if that is the line that we draw here. The line should be drawn at cruelty at all, and the worry should be that these teenage girls saw a living thing as a dispensable tool for their entertainment, and that they could not empathise with another living being enough to understand that putting a baby in a microwave is a cruel thing to do. That may not mean that they will do that to a person, but it does certainly say something about their ability to connect with living beings other than themselves. They may merely have not thought things through. However, if they were to do some counselling sessions and some community service now, they would hopefully learn through counselling why they were not able to empathise with that animal and build on their social skills at a young age, and they would be shown that regardless of circumstance, age, gender, social status, or how much you cry to a judge that you didn't mean it, you need to think through your actions before you carry them out because crimes will be punished and whether you "meant to" or whether you were having a bad day or your friends told you to do it isn't going to make any difference in your adult life. That's a lesson I would rather that they learned now with the help of their family and a counsellor.
Ever catch a mouse in a mouse trap? Ever squash an ant? Every kill any living being? If so, we could say the same thing about you.

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