Defense argues self-defense in case of slain prostitute

Oct 25, 2007 Full story: Kalamazoo Gazette 12

Karon Hussine-Saunders had sex with Justin Allen Schneider on Aug. 10, 2002, and then she was killed. via Kalamazoo Gazette

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Carattop66

AOL

#1 Oct 29, 2007
How do they know that Justin Allen Schneider and Karon Hussine Sanders had sex and then she was killed? Perhaps it was the other way around.
old friend of Justin

Kalamazoo, MI

#2 Dec 2, 2007
carattoop66, you are an idiot and should not be allowed to reproduce. Only a mentally challenged person would even get that in their head. I feel sorry for you
Local SW WMU student

Greenville, MI

#3 Dec 5, 2007
I had no idea until a discussion in one of my social work classes recently that Kalamazoo even had prostitutes. Some of the students made some very valid points that it is dangerous for both prostitutes and their customers, when we have prostitution going on illegally in such an urban and crime-ridden area. Those girls have no protection, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were smart enough to carry a concealed weapon for their own defense (although not smart enough to recognize the severe consequences of their job-choice). Police don't provide protection for criminals, they are actually protecting them enough by arresting and incarcerating them while also protecting the public. Whatever happened, self defense or a twisted homocide, something needs to be done to protect the vulnerable. Just because they're prostitutes and they are doing it illegally doesn't mean they don't deserve the right to life and safety. And just because people are actually purchasing the illegal activities doesn't mean they don't deserve the right to life and safety also. Educative programs, safety classes, whatever it takes.
student

Kalamazoo, MI

#4 Oct 10, 2008
old friend of justin....attacking another person for posing a valid opinion is by no means idiotic...you may have been a friend of his but I bet you didn't think he was capable of beating someone to death just because he's the idiot who didn't have the money to pay for sex. You don't know what really happened that night so don't cut down someone elses opinion just because you think you knew someone.
Justins sister

Saint Cloud, FL

#5 Mar 20, 2009
student wrote:
old friend of justin....attacking another person for posing a valid opinion is by no means idiotic...you may have been a friend of his but I bet you didn't think he was capable of beating someone to death just because he's the idiot who didn't have the money to pay for sex. You don't know what really happened that night so don't cut down someone elses opinion just because you think you knew someone.
Student- You also don't know what happened that night. The information that is allowed into the media is highly skewed. The fact that you are coming down on this person for reacting to a ridiculous statement by, in turn,reacting the same way to theirs is pretty amusing actually.
I would also venture a guess that the reason this old friend of Justin's was upset by the comment is not because they don't think he's capable of such things. It's probably more because after reading a story about someone who died because of poor decisions and someone who possibly lost the rest of his because of poor decisions, the only thing this genius has to say about the story is some inane little comment attacking this "murderer."
And while I'm sure it just disgusts you that someone is standing up for this filth, maybe you should grow up and look at the bigger picture. Several lives were changed forever because of this horrendous event. What happened really sucks for everyone involved and it will never go away. But yes, indeed, that was an idiotic thing to say, not a "valid opinion."
Come ON already

Portage, MI

#6 Sep 16, 2009
This is a murderer.....a man who killed another HUMAN being. NO excuses, none. The court transcript states that the victim was lying down and this Monster crossed the road, picked up a cement block and bashed her head TWICE!!!! Prison is too good for him.
our sons father

Louisville, KY

#7 Feb 5, 2010
Let me tell you a little bit about Karon s Chandler (hussine-sanders).as not to dig in areas,thats better untouched.Karon was a daughter,sister,mother,aunt.he r past wasnt that clean,but when she entered kvcc,to become a medical assistant she was turning her life around,and reinventing herself.to better support her children.her and i had ran into each other the summer of 01,at eagle lake in oshtemo.she had her kids with her,as i did.a few minutes into the conversation she said to me the following: "i need help,(what do you mean,i asked) well i met this guy,on the net receantly,and i decided to meet him a few times,and he was younger then what i thought when we met.they went out a few times,but realy she wasnt interested in him,because he had known our oldest son,(whom she had been trying to reunite after him get taken away in early 80s).she said i tried to break it off,but he is harrassing me,and threatning me,and such.(i said do you have proof like cell phone message,or email) she played a mess from this guy,who said b---h you aint never getting away from me,i'll kill you first.more ranting.(have you called the police) no.(why not) im street smart and ill handle this,but will you meet me by my car,next tue night make sure im ok ?(he had been leaving notes on her car).so i did for 2 weeks,everything was fine.arround winter time i ran in to her again,but just passin (she had a guy friend with her,so i figured all is good) i moved away from kzoo that spring,arround oct of 2002 i got a phone call,from my mom,about the news of her death,and couldnt believe it.detectives phoned me after the gazzette interviewed me/question me,i basicaly told them the same thing.ok here is one fact.she was not prostituting the night she was killed/or prior.just cause her body was found in a known area(for prostitution) doesnt mean thats what happened.thats what pisses me off,the facts arent straight.and realy i dont know all of the story,because all there is: "dead prostitute found slaned" i cant get any info on nothing.the beating she suffered,was because a knife was pulled ! that was more then deffending yourself period! anyhow i found our eldest son and he is fine with me.just sad to know her life was cut short.
Someone he hurt for life

Portage, MI

#8 Oct 17, 2012
I went to school my whole life with this sick person.I hope he burns in hell. He scared me even more then I already was. He would hang out with my rapist and swap story's and then tease me and say I wanted him and my rapist. I am sorry knowone ever put him away before he was able to do this. And hisfamily that sticks up for him knows he has always been crazy and obsesive. So when they stick up for him it makes me sick just like my rapist's family begging with me not to press charges after he did what he did.
someone else he hurt

Plainwell, MI

#9 Oct 17, 2012
Someone he hurt for life wrote:
I went to school my whole life with this sick person.I hope he burns in hell. He scared me even more then I already was. He would hang out with my rapist and swap story's and then tease me and say I wanted him and my rapist. I am sorry knowone ever put him away before he was able to do this. And hisfamily that sticks up for him knows he has always been crazy and obsesive. So when they stick up for him it makes me sick just like my rapist's family begging with me not to press charges after he did what he did.
Why are you posting now after so much time has passed? I would like to talk to you about how he has affected your life, please email me at goatTinHeart@aol.com for further discussion.
Karons Niece

Kalamazoo, MI

#10 Jan 25, 2013
Carattop66 wrote:
How do they know that Justin Allen Schneider and Karon Hussine Sanders had sex and then she was killed? Perhaps it was the other way around.
Hey Idiot ;
My aunt was brutally murdered . However since you feel the need to examine the sickest and perhaps most irrelevant portion of the topic and/or tragedy ... Shall we ? She lived with ME less than 6 months before she was murdered ... So I know more about this topic than just about anyone besides Karon and Justin . She was brutally beaten to death... to the extent that the beating continued past the point of her expiring . When the Employees from the Sacket Brick Company in Kalamazoo Michigan went in to work Monday morning they found what was left of her near the railroad tracks . They believed her to be a dead fighting dog so they contacted animal control . When animal control arrived and discovered that it was a human being they contacted the proper authorities . They ran news and news paper articles trying to find anyone who knew her identity . In short you ignorant incompetent sick little *****... There wasn't anyone or anything to have sex with AFTERWARD !!!
Karons Niece

Kalamazoo, MI

#11 Jan 25, 2013
our sons father wrote:
Let me tell you a little bit about Karon s Chandler (hussine-sanders).as not to dig in areas,thats better untouched.Karon was a daughter,sister,mother,aunt.he r past wasnt that clean,but when she entered kvcc,to become a medical assistant she was turning her life around,and reinventing herself.to better support her children.her and i had ran into each other the summer of 01,at eagle lake in oshtemo.she had her kids with her,as i did.a few minutes into the conversation she said to me the following: "i need help,(what do you mean,i asked) well i met this guy,on the net receantly,and i decided to meet him a few times,and he was younger then what i thought when we met.they went out a few times,but realy she wasnt interested in him,because he had known our oldest son,(whom she had been trying to reunite after him get taken away in early 80s).she said i tried to break it off,but he is harrassing me,and threatning me,and such.(i said do you have proof like cell phone message,or email) she played a mess from this guy,who said b---h you aint never getting away from me,i'll kill you first.more ranting.(have you called the police) no.(why not) im street smart and ill handle this,but will you meet me by my car,next tue night make sure im ok ?(he had been leaving notes on her car).so i did for 2 weeks,everything was fine.arround winter time i ran in to her again,but just passin (she had a guy friend with her,so i figured all is good) i moved away from kzoo that spring,arround oct of 2002 i got a phone call,from my mom,about the news of her death,and couldnt believe it.detectives phoned me after the gazzette interviewed me/question me,i basicaly told them the same thing.ok here is one fact.she was not prostituting the night she was killed/or prior.just cause her body was found in a known area(for prostitution) doesnt mean thats what happened.thats what pisses me off,the facts arent straight.and realy i dont know all of the story,because all there is: "dead prostitute found slaned" i cant get any info on nothing.the beating she suffered,was because a knife was pulled ! that was more then deffending yourself period! anyhow i found our eldest son and he is fine with me.just sad to know her life was cut short.
I just found these posts . Karon is my aunt ... My Mothers sister , and was living with me less than 6 months before she was murdered . She had lost her children to CPS ... and was staying in my home so that she would be close enough to DHS in kalamazoo to be able to attend supervised visits there . She was married . They had made plans to leave Michigan together , bags were packed , bus tickets had been purchased ... Justin was found immediately following the attack with no shirt and no shoes in his automobile at the scene of the crime . The motor was off and the officers who found him there didn't notice Karon or any signs of what had happened . Not when they arrested him that night for being intoxicated in public , Not when they impounded THE VEHICLE SHE WAS LAST SEEN IN ... In Fact ; he had been in and out of jail/prison a few times before the state crime lab found evidence connecting him to her Murder .
Also ; this was a random senseless act . It doesn't matter who or how Karon was , what she did or didn't do , or whether or not it was legal.... Nobody deserves to die the way she did and there isn't anyone on Gods green earth who has the right to decide whether or not someone-anyone else deserves to live or die ! Many people who live deserve to die and many people who die deserved life ... can you give it to them ?
Finally ; even the articles name the area she was found in as a place "known to be frequented by prostitutes " ... to an extent , doesn't that send up a red flag for anyone else ? You - the "Law" there to serve and protect know whats going on and where ... but do you care until/unless you have no choice but to deal with these individuals/situations ?
I Will Never Forget You

Kalamazoo, MI

#12 May 9, 2013
~ i think i know who you are, and your mom. karon and i were rather young teen agers when we met. and i wished i had it all to do over again. i dont think i would have pushed her away like i did. i got tired of seeing karon on the streets all the time, it embaressed me, and i never got over that kind of hurt for a long time. when i met my wife in 87. i never looked back. around 1990 when our son was born, karon was there, brought flowers, some balloons, and a yellow two peice outfit for him to wear home. we hung out alot and got re-aquianted. i fronted her one husband the briley guy, off at allstar cab co one day, i dont care if karon and i hadnt been together for all them years, ill be damned if im gonna let a man talk to her like he did that day. and i told him i didnt realy care for him back when i was a kid nor do i care about you now, you wont talk to her like that again, or the next time i wont say anything ill just beat ure ass. my wife and i after our daughter was born moved from kazoo to kentucky a few times and we all lost touch. anyways, im trying to show a side of her that most wont know, and dont know. she was a real person, and real down to earth. i miss her laugh, i miss the way the corner of her eyes wrinkle up when she gets to smiling. i know she used to write short stories, and poetry on the bed, at night when we talked. i pushed her away, cause she wouldnt stay to home. most of all we loved fine, that part of our ralationship was good. we couldnt co-exsist in an apt. her and i were just kids realy, we didnt know what we was doing. of course then- we thought we knew it all. Ha! no i believe my exsessive in-out of the jasper unit, using my body ofr science and pay. took its tool on our relationship and her and i just fell away from one another, and went on with our lives. i dont wish to remember the drama, ive allready lived through that. im sadden to think ill never speak to her again, and im reuinted with our son, and i sure wished she could have met him....damnit

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