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McKeesport Bar shut down for not paying drink tax.

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Everyone Wary

Wexford, PA

#1 Feb 23, 2012
Pittsburgh area bars shut down for not paying drink tax.

It was shut down for not paying $12000 in drink tax. The Retreat in McKeesport owed $31000 but declared bankruptcy to avoid payment.

www.wpxi.com/news/news/pittsburgh-area-bars-s...

150 Businesses brought to McKeesport was a lie claimed by the former mayor. But to save semantics, we will oblige with counting down rapid losses. A portent of things here predicted by many in the know.

149 Maglev (Created with government funding, failed recently.)
148 Diamond Cutz (barber business)
147 The Retreat (drug filled bar room)
What Happened

Mckeesport, PA

#2 Feb 23, 2012
Everyone Wary wrote:
Pittsburgh area bars shut down for not paying drink tax.
It was shut down for not paying $12000 in drink tax. The Retreat in McKeesport owed $31000 but declared bankruptcy to avoid payment.
www.wpxi.com/news/news/pittsburgh-area-bars-s...
150 Businesses brought to McKeesport was a lie claimed by the former mayor. But to save semantics, we will oblige with counting down rapid losses. A portent of things here predicted by many in the know.
149 Maglev (Created with government funding, failed recently.)
148 Diamond Cutz (barber business)
147 The Retreat (drug filled bar room)
We keep chipping away at the elusive 150 and decreasing.
Eight Ball

Dravosburg, PA

#3 Feb 24, 2012
Does bankruptcy protection apply to taxes? I'm under the impression it doesn't. Good riddance to a nuisance bar.
Good Riddance

Mckeesport, PA

#4 Feb 24, 2012
Eight Ball wrote:
Does bankruptcy protection apply to taxes? I'm under the impression it doesn't. Good riddance to a nuisance bar.
Couldn't find anything specific to PA, but this describes excise vs trust fund taxes. Not sure how this works in PA for Allegheny County drink taxes, but apparently there are ways to discharge sales tax debts.

They'll probably just incorporate under a different name and start all over again.

Sales Tax

If you owe the state sales tax, whether or not they are dischargeable will depend on whether the sales taxes are considered an “excise tax” or “trust fund tax.” How the sales taxes are categorized depends on your state. Sales tax is considered a trust fund tax if the tax is assessed on the customer at the time of the sale and the responsibility to collect the tax is on the business owner. The business owner is supposed to collect the tax to turn over to the taxing authority. Trust fund taxes are not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

Sales tax that is the responsibility of the owner for the privilege of doing business in the state is considered an excise tax. California is an “excise tax” state, so that means that the business owners are responsible for the sales tax, not the customer. It may be a little confusing, since almost all the business owners pass on the sales tax to their customers, but the ultimate liability of the sales tax is still on the business owner. Excise taxes are dischargeable in bankruptcy, so that is good news for failed business owners in the state of California.
Eight Ball

Dravosburg, PA

#5 Feb 24, 2012
Good Riddance wrote:
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Couldn't find anything specific to PA, but this describes excise vs trust fund taxes. Not sure how this works in PA for Allegheny County drink taxes, but apparently there are ways to discharge sales tax debts.
They'll probably just incorporate under a different name and start all over again.
Sales Tax
If you owe the state sales tax, whether or not they are dischargeable will depend on whether the sales taxes are considered an “excise tax” or “trust fund tax.” How the sales taxes are categorized depends on your state. Sales tax is considered a trust fund tax if the tax is assessed on the customer at the time of the sale and the responsibility to collect the tax is on the business owner. The business owner is supposed to collect the tax to turn over to the taxing authority. Trust fund taxes are not dischargeable in bankruptcy.
Sales tax that is the responsibility of the owner for the privilege of doing business in the state is considered an excise tax. California is an “excise tax” state, so that means that the business owners are responsible for the sales tax, not the customer. It may be a little confusing, since almost all the business owners pass on the sales tax to their customers, but the ultimate liability of the sales tax is still on the business owner. Excise taxes are dischargeable in bankruptcy, so that is good news for failed business owners in the state of California.
Wow! Very detailed explanation. Thanks.
OnoRATo SUX balls

Pittsburgh, PA

#6 Feb 24, 2012
if they weren't charging it, then good for then.

if they were charging it and keeping it, that is theft.

the real theives are Allegheny County collecteing this BS tax to fund the Lazy ass overpaid slovenly PAT Union workers - steal from thet axpayer to giv$$ to these pieces of crap.

F- OnoRATo and F - PAT!

That bar did suck, who the H would ever go in there anyway?
Troublemaker

Pittsburgh, PA

#7 Feb 24, 2012
Eight Ball wrote:
Does bankruptcy protection apply to taxes? I'm under the impression it doesn't. Good riddance to a nuisance bar.
Taxes are still owed, whether it's liquidation or reorganization. Everybody misuses the term bankruptcy "protection". If they filed Chapter 7, assets are liquidated. If they filed 11 or 13, that is the understood "protection" of assets, meaning they stay in business and work it out with the creditors.

I hope they meant 7, and yes, good riddance to a nuisance bar.
Gone bye bye

Wexford, PA

#8 Feb 24, 2012
The bar due to its location was a breeding ground for seedy drug deals. Long suspected is that the deals were covered up.

More investigations on everything in McKeesport should remain ongoing.
John Q Portman

Pittsburgh, PA

#9 Feb 24, 2012
Wow.. something we can all agree on. Where was this place? I have never heard of it. If they were passing the tax on to customers, that is theft of the tax money. If they did not, then couldn't pay.. that is mis management. If it was a seedy place... good riddance .... And Before any jokes start up... I am sure Mr. Elash was never at a place like that.
Failed DUI City

Wexford, PA

#10 Feb 24, 2012
Bar gone bye bye!
Drug elements are closing down in McKeesport!
duke

West Mifflin, PA

#11 Feb 24, 2012
The bar has had 3 or 4 names in the last 10 years. It will be opened in another name and the same dealers and prostitutes will conduct business as usual. Nothing will change but its name.
The Count Down to May

Mckeesport, PA

#12 Feb 24, 2012
Everyone Wary wrote:
Pittsburgh area bars shut down for not paying drink tax.
It was shut down for not paying $12000 in drink tax. The Retreat in McKeesport owed $31000 but declared bankruptcy to avoid payment.
www.wpxi.com/news/news/pittsburgh-area-bars-s...
150 Businesses brought to McKeesport was a lie claimed by the former mayor. But to save semantics, we will oblige with counting down rapid losses. A portent of things here predicted by many in the know.
149 Maglev (Created with government funding, failed recently.)
148 Diamond Cutz (barber business)
147 The Retreat (drug filled bar room)
Not sure if these two qualify as bussiness per se:

146 Former City Administrator Dennis Pittman

145 Former City Solicitor JJE.
Coors Lt

Mckeesport, PA

#13 Feb 24, 2012
Somtimes G-reat things happen when you want them to. Whats up now?
Gondola

Wexford, PA

#14 Feb 25, 2012
The Count Down to May wrote:
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Not sure if these two qualify as bussiness per se:
146 Former City Administrator Dennis Pittman
145 Former City Solicitor JJE.
Who's next?
Count Down to April Vote

Mckeesport, PA

#15 Feb 25, 2012
Gondola wrote:
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Who's next?
Shame on me-- I forgot!

144 Wally and Joe Weld Shop
Thanks

Wexford, PA

#16 Feb 25, 2012
Next business lost in McKeesport announced tomorrow.
Count Down to April

Mckeesport, PA

#17 Feb 25, 2012
Thanks wrote:
Next business lost in McKeesport announced tomorrow.
142 - The Retreat

141 - MASD Haler Heights Elem School???
Count Down to April Vote

Mckeesport, PA

#18 Feb 25, 2012
143 - Rost damaged Bldg 716 Long Road until repaired
Next

Wexford, PA

#19 Feb 28, 2012
Next to close
Great Idea

United States

#20 Feb 28, 2012
Wasn't that Bar next to the Boys club? Drug infested and prostitution next to where our children are encouraged to play? tell Jim Barry to stick MYBO where the sun don't shine... our kids will be going to the new program playing up at McClure, if White Oak will have them.

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