ti school budget & sports programs
Teachers

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#82 Apr 25, 2013
Teacher's don't get paid nearly what they should. Raises have been frozen for 2 years + now. Some teachers are paying for classroom supplies out of their own pockets to educate YOUR children. Instead of 'downing' them & thinking they're making millions (which they are not), maybe you should thank them for all they do in these tough economic times. I know for a fact many teachers just can't afford to work in this district anymore & have voiced their concerns over it and are ready to walk on to another district. So, when teachers start leaving and others wont apply to work at TCSD because they already know the financial situation here is not so good, what will you all have to bitch about then?? Not enough teachers = poor education! So what if they cut sports?! The enphasis on the sporting programs have always been a bit much around here. Baseball,football & track is not going to get your kid through life. A solid education will. Vote wisely! Just for the record, I am NOT a teacher.
motherme

Ticonderoga, NY

#83 Apr 25, 2013
Teachers wrote:
Teacher's don't get paid nearly what they should. Raises have been frozen for 2 years + now. Some teachers are paying for classroom supplies out of their own pockets to educate YOUR children. Instead of 'downing' them & thinking they're making millions (which they are not), maybe you should thank them for all they do in these tough economic times. I know for a fact many teachers just can't afford to work in this district anymore & have voiced their concerns over it and are ready to walk on to another district. So, when teachers start leaving and others wont apply to work at TCSD because they already know the financial situation here is not so good, what will you all have to bitch about then?? Not enough teachers = poor education! So what if they cut sports?! The enphasis on the sporting programs have always been a bit much around here. Baseball,football & track is not going to get your kid through life. A solid education will. Vote wisely! Just for the record, I am NOT a teacher.
Awesome post finally someone who gets it!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you

San Diego, CA

#84 Apr 25, 2013
As the taxpayers who are paying for EVERYTHING, we have every right to know everything. Everything! As for board members being "ripped apart," I can only laugh and pass along this Truman quote.

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
--Harry S. Truman
To motherme wrote:
As an elected official it is called public accountability and transparency!
Enough is Enough

Hudson, NY

#85 Apr 25, 2013
Board Of EDUCATION meeting tonight High SCHOOL,see you there.
Unfortunate

Burlington, VT

#86 Apr 25, 2013
Well then, let them walk. We have no choice but to live within our means. Ticonderoga, Essex County, NY is a poverty-ridden place. We must face that fact. Taxpayer resources are already stretched to breaking point. Another fact we must face.

I personally know many teachers. I know many teachers who live in *much* more expensive communities who make a lot less and have foregone raises for longer than two years.

Also, there are plenty of young teachers who wish to work as teachers--who are more interested in teaching and public service than they are money. Talented teachers. Creative, energetic people who are interested in giving extra (aka unpaid) time to extracurricular activities.

As for school supplies. It is customary in the Northern New England states for districts to provide school supplies for their students, especially those in need.(And, there are also teachers use reach into their own pockets--teachers *can* claim these expenses on the IRS tax forms, BTW.) Also, some communities and counties have a United Way fund that provides school supplies at a very small cost to those who qualify. Churches used to help those in need, too. Perhaps the school district should look into some of these possible sources of assistance.

The bottom line is, as a community, we MUST live within our means.
And, "we" haven't been doing that. And now, we are in trouble.
Teachers wrote:
Teacher's don't get paid nearly what they should. Raises have been frozen for 2 years + now. Some teachers are paying for classroom supplies out of their own pockets to educate YOUR children. Instead of 'downing' them & thinking they're making millions (which they are not), maybe you should thank them for all they do in these tough economic times. I know for a fact many teachers just can't afford to work in this district anymore & have voiced their concerns over it and are ready to walk on to another district. So, when teachers start leaving and others wont apply to work at TCSD because they already know the financial situation here is not so good, what will you all have to bitch about then?? Not enough teachers = poor education! So what if they cut sports?! The enphasis on the sporting programs have always been a bit much around here. Baseball,football & track is not going to get your kid through life. A solid education will. Vote wisely! Just for the record, I am NOT a teacher.
Thankyouuuu

Pattersonville, NY

#87 Apr 25, 2013
Thank you wrote:
As the taxpayers who are paying for EVERYTHING, we have every right to know everything. Everything! As for board members being "ripped apart," I can only laugh and pass along this Truman quote.
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
--Harry S. Truman
<quoted text>
You comment on every post and complain about everything. I also am a tax payer and I feel that if you must complain about everything and everyone than run for a position instead of crying all of the time. I have given the board my concerns and opinions to their face. I do not need to bash them on topix. This shows the kind of character you are as a person. I have seen you run people into the ground on other posts. I hope it makes you feel good about yourself.
Unfortunate

Burlington, VT

#88 Apr 25, 2013
Accountability and transparency are becoming harder and harder to find in government at all levels. And yet, they are essential to all citizens, those who pay taxes and those who do not, for whatever reasons.

I agree. Let us know how, where and for what each of our representatives has advocated on our behalf. This information would be great help for voters for various reasons, including elections.

Does the Board have its own website?
To motherme wrote:
As an elected official it is called public accountability and transparency!
Thank you

San Diego, CA

#89 Apr 25, 2013
I don't know you think I might be. I certainly do not "complain about everything" or "run people into the ground on other posts." I often have positive input, I believe.

Perhaps my ISP and proxy server, that we use both at home and in office space, is confusing you. I know that there others that use the same proxy service that we do. It is a popular service and the company that provides the product/service that we use is the one most commonly used, from what I have read.

Sorry for the confusion. Cheers.
Thankyouuuu wrote:
<quoted text>
You comment on every post and complain about everything. I also am a tax payer and I feel that if you must complain about everything and everyone than run for a position instead of crying all of the time. I have given the board my concerns and opinions to their face. I do not need to bash them on topix. This shows the kind of character you are as a person. I have seen you run people into the ground on other posts. I hope it makes you feel good about yourself.
motherme

Ticonderoga, NY

#90 Apr 25, 2013
Unfortunate wrote:
<quoted text>Well then, let them walk. We have no choice but to live within our means. Ticonderoga, Essex County, NY is a poverty-ridden place. We must face that fact. Taxpayer resources are already stretched to breaking point. Another fact we must face.

I personally know many teachers. I know many teachers who live in *much* more expensive communities who make a lot less and have foregone raises for longer than two years.

Also, there are plenty of young teachers who wish to work as teachers--who are more interested in teaching and public service than they are money. Talented teachers. Creative, energetic people who are interested in giving extra (aka unpaid) time to extracurricular activities.

As for school supplies. It is customary in the Northern New England states for districts to provide school supplies for their students, especially those in need.(And, there are also teachers use reach into their own pockets--teachers *can* claim these expenses on the IRS tax forms, BTW.) Also, some communities and counties have a United Way fund that provides school supplies at a very small cost to those who qualify. Churches used to help those in need, too. Perhaps the school district should look into some of these possible sources of assistance.

The bottom line is, as a community, we MUST live within our means.
And, "we" haven't been doing that. And now, we are in trouble.
Find me 5 teachers willing to move to as you put it poverty ridden Ticonderoga and teach. Tell them they will go years with no raises even though they have rent, utilities, car payments, and student loans to pay. Tell them the community will bash them and call them over paid. Tell them they will have to donate time to extra curricular activities and buy supplies for students who's parents can't. Good luck!!!!!!
broke

Ticonderoga, NY

#91 Apr 25, 2013
Teachers wrote:
Teacher's don't get paid nearly what they should. Raises have been frozen for 2 years + now. Some teachers are paying for classroom supplies out of their own pockets to educate YOUR children. Instead of 'downing' them & thinking they're making millions (which they are not), maybe you should thank them for all they do in these tough economic times. I know for a fact many teachers just can't afford to work in this district anymore & have voiced their concerns over it and are ready to walk on to another district. So, when teachers start leaving and others wont apply to work at TCSD because they already know the financial situation here is not so good, what will you all have to bitch about then?? Not enough teachers = poor education! So what if they cut sports?! The enphasis on the sporting programs have always been a bit much around here. Baseball,football & track is not going to get your kid through life. A solid education will. Vote wisely! Just for the record, I am NOT a teacher.
It may not please you but we have to start living within our means as a later poster stated, so if what we pay is not enough then "step-off ! I have a friend who is here to work the shutdown from Maine. His wife is a teacher,retied after 27 years,pension is barely 30k,with a considerable healthcare co-pay,maybe you could try there.The in-escape able reality is that the industrial engines that drove the prosperity in America in the last century are now running overseas!We will all have to get used to making less and paying more,so if your job is funded by tax dollars you should be on notice.The 47% can't pay you more,and the rest of us are fed up!Maybe you can start a soup kitchen in that imposing edifice erected at the behest of the B.O.E., and fund some wage increases.
teacher

Ticonderoga, NY

#92 Apr 25, 2013
motherme wrote:
<quoted text>Find me 5 teachers willing to move to as you put it poverty ridden Ticonderoga and teach. Tell them they will go years with no raises even though they have rent, utilities, car payments, and student loans to pay. Tell them the community will bash them and call them over paid. Tell them they will have to donate time to extra curricular activities and buy supplies for students who's parents can't. Good luck!!!!!!
Make sure you add that it's very difficult to meet decent people and you have to travel a hour to see a movie and buy a pair of shoes. Add that the local entertainment is going to Walmart where most costumes wear pajamas. Explain how the area is breath taking and beautiful but has little to offer young, single teachers unless you enjoy the local bar scene and the sketchy individuals that tend to camp out there!!!
meeting

Ticonderoga, NY

#93 Apr 25, 2013
I find it funny that the last 7 posts were made while the board meeting on the budget was going on. I doubt any of those people were there. I was and it was informative. I may not agree with everything that was said but at least I heard things for myself.
me

Ticonderoga, NY

#94 Apr 25, 2013
meeting wrote:
I find it funny that the last 7 posts were made while the board meeting on the budget was going on. I doubt any of those people were there. I was and it was informative. I may not agree with everything that was said but at least I heard things for myself.
My husband went while I stayed home with our kids.
Philip

Crown Point, NY

#95 Apr 25, 2013
meeting wrote:
I find it funny that the last 7 posts were made while the board meeting on the budget was going on. I doubt any of those people were there. I was and it was informative. I may not agree with everything that was said but at least I heard things for myself.
So fill everyone in. What is going on? Did they decide on a budget, sports cuts, staff cuts, etc???
ABC

Hudson, NY

#97 Apr 25, 2013
Unfortunate wrote:
I personally know many teachers. I know many teachers who live in *much* more expensive communities who make a lot less and have foregone raises for longer than two years.
Also, there are plenty of young teachers who wish to work as teachers--who are more interested in teaching and public service than they are money. Talented teachers. Creative, energetic people who are interested in giving extra (aka unpaid) time to extracurricular activities.

The bottom line is, as a community, we MUST live within our means.
And, "we" haven't been doing that. And now, we are in trouble.
<quoted text>
I am a young college grad (within the last 5 years) who got a great education and decided to give back by becoming a teacher. I would have loved to return to the Ti area, but frankly the way that the town treats its teachers was a huge turnoff. Even when it is not budget time people are constantly bashing the school and I couldn't imagine trying to teach in a town that has so little support for the people who are trying to shape future generations. As a young teacher, the last thing you want is to end up teaching in an unsupportive school. You claim that there are scores of young teachers knocking on the door, but personally even if you got some to come I doubt they would stay. As is stated in a later post there is little in Ti that would appeal to a young professional who is not interested in going out to the bar as a form of entertainment. I also fear that if these new young teachers were to come into the school you would complain that these "out of towners" were coming in to take local people's jobs, or that the town would complain about the school being full of young, inexperienced teachers.

I don't deny that the school has budget issues, but I don't think it is fair to pin the blame on the teachers. There are many, many issues at play here that are causing these issues. I also do not think it is fair to ask someone to volunteer the amount of time needed to run an extracurricular (especially a sport, which could easily add an extra 12-20 hours to the work week depending on the game/meet schedule) that people seem to deem as vital to the education provided by the school. If someone asked you to volunteer that amount of time at your job you would likely scoff at them and walk away. When you (and this means most of the people on this forum) make demands of teachers, put yourself in their shoes before you condemn them as in the wrong. If someone made that same demand of you in your job, and then constantly complained about you to anyone who would listen, how would you feel?
Please clarify

Burlington, VT

#98 Apr 26, 2013
Do you mean "unsupportive" or "unsupported?"
ABC wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a young college grad (within the last 5 years) who got a great education and decided to give back by becoming a teacher. I would have loved to return to the Ti area, but frankly the way that the town treats its teachers was a huge turnoff. Even when it is not budget time people are constantly bashing the school and I couldn't imagine trying to teach in a town that has so little support for the people who are trying to shape future generations. As a young teacher, the last thing you want is to end up teaching in an unsupportive school. You claim that there are scores of young teachers knocking on the door, but personally even if you got some to come I doubt they would stay. As is stated in a later post there is little in Ti that would appeal to a young professional who is not interested in going out to the bar as a form of entertainment. I also fear that if these new young teachers were to come into the school you would complain that these "out of towners" were coming in to take local people's jobs, or that the town would complain about the school being full of young, inexperienced teachers.
I don't deny that the school has budget issues, but I don't think it is fair to pin the blame on the teachers. There are many, many issues at play here that are causing these issues. I also do not think it is fair to ask someone to volunteer the amount of time needed to run an extracurricular (especially a sport, which could easily add an extra 12-20 hours to the work week depending on the game/meet schedule) that people seem to deem as vital to the education provided by the school. If someone asked you to volunteer that amount of time at your job you would likely scoff at them and walk away. When you (and this means most of the people on this forum) make demands of teachers, put yourself in their shoes before you condemn them as in the wrong. If someone made that same demand of you in your job, and then constantly complained about you to anyone who would listen, how would you feel?
me

Ticonderoga, NY

#99 Apr 26, 2013
ABC wrote:
<quoted text>I am a young college grad (within the last 5 years) who got a great education and decided to give back by becoming a teacher. I would have loved to return to the Ti area, but frankly the way that the town treats its teachers was a huge turnoff. Even when it is not budget time people are constantly bashing the school and I couldn't imagine trying to teach in a town that has so little support for the people who are trying to shape future generations. As a young teacher, the last thing you want is to end up teaching in an unsupportive school. You claim that there are scores of young teachers knocking on the door, but personally even if you got some to come I doubt they would stay. As is stated in a later post there is little in Ti that would appeal to a young professional who is not interested in going out to the bar as a form of entertainment. I also fear that if these new young teachers were to come into the school you would complain that these "out of towners" were coming in to take local people's jobs, or that the town would complain about the school being full of young, inexperienced teachers.

I don't deny that the school has budget issues, but I don't think it is fair to pin the blame on the teachers. There are many, many issues at play here that are causing these issues. I also do not think it is fair to ask someone to volunteer the amount of time needed to run an extracurricular (especially a sport, which could easily add an extra 12-20 hours to the work week depending on the game/meet schedule) that people seem to deem as vital to the education provided by the school. If someone asked you to volunteer that amount of time at your job you would likely scoff at them and walk away. When you (and this means most of the people on this forum) make demands of teachers, put yourself in their shoes before you condemn them as in the wrong. If someone made that same demand of you in your job, and then constantly complained about you to anyone who would listen, how would you feel?
Perfect post thank you.
TEACH

Ticonderoga, NY

#100 Apr 26, 2013
To ABC I know many teachers that are choosing to work in areas with high poverty. New teachers are signing up for jobs on Indian Reservations, inner city schools and other areas to educate children that are challenging. When you choose to be a teacher I would hope the goal was to educate a child first. Maybe it is you that has lost your way. I know many new grads that would gladly come to our community and teach, inspire and change lives. I hate to tell you this but I am afraid you are in the wrong profession. You should choose teaching to teach. Instead it sounds like you are looking for a spouse and great weekend entertainment. I do hope you leave and open the door for one of those teachers that wanted to teach for right reasons. Yes this area is filled with poverty. Yes you have a Wal Mart filled with individuals that live on public assistance. Yes you have to drive miles to for culture. We all see it. It sounds like you feel you are better than the children you serve. Please move on and I hope you find what you are looking for.
attend the meetings

Troy, NY

#102 Apr 26, 2013
What did come out at the meeting is that the over 1.2 million dollars the teachers and staff gave up over the past two years is gone. They won't get it back and it obviously did nothing to help the situation. The staff can give up salaries for the next two years and it won't help the ongoing problem. The salaries that are paid for the education of our children are not the problem in Ti Schools.
yestheyare

Germany

#103 Apr 26, 2013
attend the meetings wrote:
What did come out at the meeting is that the over 1.2 million dollars the teachers and staff gave up over the past two years is gone. They won't get it back and it obviously did nothing to help the situation. The staff can give up salaries for the next two years and it won't help the ongoing problem. The salaries that are paid for the education of our children are not the problem in Ti Schools.
The salaries are the problem-- when a teacher in 5th grade makes 100K+, retires and collects a pension at 80% of salary for the rest of their life-- where do you think the money comes from! The salaries in Ti- are way out of wack for the area's tax base. Its selfish to cut sports--

1. Make the retirees PAY for their benefits-
2. Cut pensions-- no yearly increase in pensions either!! what a joke that is!!! Social security doesn't even go up that much each year!
3. Cut salaries-- start at the top and work down. The more you make the more the cut.

Sorry-- that's where the money should come from-- not taken out of extracurricular activities for the kids education. Get real people!

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