Border Patrol presence protested in Port Angeles

[mike_lee]

Didn't you ever see the Cheech and Chong movie were Cheech got deported?

Anyway a lot of "American Citizens" were born and raised in Mexico. It's not like some old white guy in a suit is walking around "I say old man, do you have any grey Poupon?

[Texicana]

they are probably looking out for the "cold ones" lol :P

[Summermoondancer]

Wrong, they alledge he told them that...his mother had already shown his birth certificate ...and he isn´t the only one they have done this to.
Had they bothered to run his fingerprints they could have figured out quite easily that he was a US citizen.

http://stateswithoutnations.blogspot.com/2007...

http://www.startribune.com/nation/14456137.ht...

Thomas Warziniack was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, but immigration authorities pronounced him an illegal immigrant from Russia.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held Warziniack for weeks in an Arizona detention facility with the aim of deporting him to a country he's never seen. His jailers shrugged off Warziniack's claims that he was an American citizen, even though they could have retrieved his Minnesota birth certificate in minutes and even though a Colorado court had concluded that he was a U.S. citizen a year before it shipped him to Arizona.

On Thursday, Warziniack finally became a free man. Immigration officials released him after his family, who learned about his predicament from a reporter, produced a birth certificate and after a U.S. senator demanded his release.

"The immigration agents told me they never make mistakes," Warziniack said in an earlier phone interview from jail. "All I know is that somebody dropped the ball."

An unpublished study by the Vera Institute of Justice, a New York nonprofit organization, in 2006 identified 125 people in immigration detention centers across the nation who immigration lawyers believed had valid U.S. citizenship claims.

[Summermoondancer]

Guillermo Olivares Romero also was deported and refused reentry...he is a US citizen.

Olivares had been refused entry into the U.S. on two previous occasions. In 2007, he was deported to Mexico after having served his time in state prison

This U.S. citizen, who has a criminal record for burglary and forgery, was recently released after having spent two weeks in an immigration detention center. He was released only after ACLU attorneys produced his birth certificate, vaccination and health records, and school records.

Rennison Castillo broke the law. He was punished for it. And he thought he had served his time. Instead, the last day of an eight-month jail sentence was the start of a seven-month nightmare that almost ended two years ago with Castillo – a Lakewood resident, Army veteran and American citizen – deported to Belize
http://www.citizenorange.com/orange/2008/08/u...

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/stor...

[HoneyC]

Summermoondancer wrote:

Wrong, they alledge he told them that...his mother had already shown his birth certificate ...and he isn´t the only one they have done this to.
Had they bothered to run his fingerprints they could have figured out quite easily that he was a US citizen.
http://stateswithoutnations.blogspot.com/2007...
http://www.startribune.com/nation/14456137.ht...
An unpublished study by the Vera Institute of Justice, a New York nonprofit organization, in 2006 identified 125 people in immigration detention centers across the nation who immigration lawyers believed had valid U.S. citizenship claims.

Wrong? How could his mother have shown his birth certificate when she didn't even know he was in custody?? She's a psychic and know it all like you? To this day no birth certificate has been produced for that man. Nothing at all to prove he was born in the US. NOTHING. The ACLU claims he was born here, but has yet to provide definitive proof of that claim. And everyone involved, including the dumb ass in question, has admitted he told the authorities he was an illegal, so I'm not sure where you get everyone is lying except for his mama. Mama didn't know where he was, and if she had, maybe he wouldn't have been on restricted airport property in the first place. Where would his fingerprints have been found? Does he have a criminal record that you know about and the rest of us don't? That right thumb print the DMV gets means nothing, since any Tom, Dick and Harry can get a driver's license in California, so that doesn't prove citizenship at all. You claim 125 cases in a country of 300 million people. That's not alot and most of them, if not all, are straightened out eventually. Not everyone or everything is perfect like you and mistakes are made. This "Institute" you cite claims they "believe" there are 125 people wrongly in custody. There's no proof, no verifiable data to back it up. Just their "belief". Plus, there is no distinction made between natural born citizens and naturalized citizens in your citation. Naturalized citizens can be stripped of their citizenship and deported once they commit a crime under the 1996 immigration laws. By the way, how is this information from the "Vera Institute" available if it's not published? Not published could mean they can't back it up or it just doesn't exist. Maybe you could cite published data to back up your claims the next time.

[HoneyC]

Yeah, Mr. Castillo sounds likes a model citizen there. Came here illegally, breaks the law and now he whines? He's the perfect candidate to have his citizenship revoked. Ask all the Cambodians in Massachusetts how they feel about him being allowed to stay and their being forcibly returned to Cambodia after committing more minor crimes than this loser. He obviously took advantage of the 1986 amnesty and wow, aren't we thrilled another criminal slipped through on that one? He should have been deported and was probably not the best case for you to cite. Can't you find a model citizen that wasn't being deported after an 8 month jail term to cite rather than that trash?

[spud]

These protesters who are bothered by the increased homeland security presence remind me of Ted, I'm all for alternative energy, Kennedy. These people want a safe country as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Teddy is all for alternative energy but no way can they put those windmills up where they will ruin his view.

[Summermoondancer]

HoneyC wrote:

<quoted text>Wrong? How could his mother have shown his birth certificate when she didn't even know he was in custody?? She's a psychic and know it all like you? To this day no birth certificate has been produced for that man. Nothing at all to prove he was born in the US. NOTHING. The ACLU claims he was born here, but has yet to provide definitive proof of that claim. And everyone involved, including the dumb ass in question, has admitted he told the authorities he was an illegal, so I'm not sure where you get everyone is lying except for his mama. Mama didn't know where he was, and if she had, maybe he wouldn't have been on restricted airport property in the first place. Where would his fingerprints have been found? Does he have a criminal record that you know about and the rest of us don't? That right thumb print the DMV gets means nothing, since any Tom, Dick and Harry can get a driver's license in California, so that doesn't prove citizenship at all. You claim 125 cases in a country of 300 million people. That's not alot and most of them, if not all, are straightened out eventually. Not everyone or everything is perfect like you and mistakes are made. This "Institute" you cite claims they "believe" there are 125 people wrongly in custody. There's no proof, no verifiable data to back it up. Just their "belief". Plus, there is no distinction made between natural born citizens and naturalized citizens in your citation. Naturalized citizens can be stripped of their citizenship and deported once they commit a crime under the 1996 immigration laws. By the way, how is this information from the "Vera Institute" available if it's not published? Not published could mean they can't back it up or it just doesn't exist. Maybe you could cite published data to back up your claims the next time.

Honey, and how can a person who has been arrested before and is clearly listed as being born in LA be deported without them even checking? For that matter how can another person that is a US citizen be deported to Haiti and actually die there. It took a lawsuit before they ever admitted their error. They also held in their custody for fifteen months a man who is a US citizen and served in the Army...please explain why they aren´t checking things out? The man was mentally retarded...for some reason I doubt their story that he said that he was born in Mexico. He says he never told them that.

[Summermoondancer]

HoneyC wrote:

<quoted text>Wrong? How could his mother have shown his birth certificate when she didn't even know he was in custody?? She's a psychic and know it all like you? To this day no birth certificate has been produced for that man. Nothing at all to prove he was born in the US. NOTHING. The ACLU claims he was born here, but has yet to provide definitive proof of that claim. And everyone involved, including the dumb ass in question, has admitted he told the authorities he was an illegal, so I'm not sure where you get everyone is lying except for his mama. Mama didn't know where he was, and if she had, maybe he wouldn't have been on restricted airport property in the first place. Where would his fingerprints have been found? Does he have a criminal record that you know about and the rest of us don't? That right thumb print the DMV gets means nothing, since any Tom, Dick and Harry can get a driver's license in California, so that doesn't prove citizenship at all. You claim 125 cases in a country of 300 million people. That's not alot and most of them, if not all, are straightened out eventually. Not everyone or everything is perfect like you and mistakes are made. This "Institute" you cite claims they "believe" there are 125 people wrongly in custody. There's no proof, no verifiable data to back it up. Just their "belief". Plus, there is no distinction made between natural born citizens and naturalized citizens in your citation. Naturalized citizens can be stripped of their citizenship and deported once they commit a crime under the 1996 immigration laws. By the way, how is this information from the "Vera Institute" available if it's not published? Not published could mean they can't back it up or it just doesn't exist. Maybe you could cite published data to back up your claims the next time.

It is 125 too many...anyone staying in custody for 15 months because the immigration office cannot figure out how to read a birth certificate is ridiculous.

[Summermoondancer]

HoneyC wrote:

Yeah, Mr. Castillo sounds likes a model citizen there. Came here illegally, breaks the law and now he whines? He's the perfect candidate to have his citizenship revoked. Ask all the Cambodians in Massachusetts how they feel about him being allowed to stay and their being forcibly returned to Cambodia after committing more minor crimes than this loser. He obviously took advantage of the 1986 amnesty and wow, aren't we thrilled another criminal slipped through on that one? He should have been deported and was probably not the best case for you to cite. Can't you find a model citizen that wasn't being deported after an 8 month jail term to cite rather than that trash?

Um he can´t have his citizenship revoked for committing a minor infraction...eight months in jail is probably not anything major.

There were others there you failed to read them...he also served in the US Army.

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archiv...

Thomas Sylvain, the U.S.-born young man who was mistakenly deported to
Haiti for several months before immigration officials brought him home,
died of cardiac arrest Wednesday at Jackson Memorial Hospital.

He was unable to recover from the serious deterioration of his
health that occurred during his months in Haiti. Since returning
two months ago, he had been on life support in Jackson's
critical care ward

Their father, Andre Sylvain, blames the U.S. Immigration and
Naturalization Service for his son's death.''Please let everybody know
that INS killed my son, the INS killed my son,'' Andre Sylvain repeated,
sobbing.''I don't know what to do seeing him lying there.''

[Whos -Your-Target -Today]

Mooner? So who'll be told you're suing them today?

[HoneyC]

Summermoondancer wrote:

<quoted text>
Um he can´t have his citizenship revoked for committing a minor infraction...eight months in jail is probably not anything major.
There were others there you failed to read them...he also served in the US Army.
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archiv...
Thomas Sylvain, the U.S.-born young man who was mistakenly deported to
Haiti for several months before immigration officials brought him home,
died of cardiac arrest Wednesday at Jackson Memorial Hospital.
He was unable to recover from the serious deterioration of his
health that occurred during his months in Haiti. Since returning
two months ago, he had been on life support in Jackson's
critical care ward
Their father, Andre Sylvain, blames the U.S. Immigration and
Naturalization Service for his son's death.''Please let everybody know
that INS killed my son, the INS killed my son,'' Andre Sylvain repeated,
sobbing.''I don't know what to do seeing him lying there.''

BS, under the 1996 immigration laws, two MISDEMEANORS are grounds for revoking citizenship and deportation. ONE FELONY or two misdemeanors. You don't get 8 months in jail for jaywalking and the man admitted in the article that YOU provided that he had broken the law on several occasions. Those are just the crimes he was convicted for. We have no idea how many he committed that he was never convicted for or how many he committed that went undetected. I could give a damn when someone who started off here illegally and then CHOSE a life of crime gets deported.
You cite ONE case. Out of how many? Mistakes happen. I'm sure that even though you follow every rule and regulation laid out under the sun, you make mistakes. How someone can be held in custody and no one looks at the paperwork for how long(?) is beyond me. No one is deported overnight and it seems the family in your sad little story had ample opportunity to get this case in front of a judge to show him/her the proper paperwork. Every potential deportee has their day in court and nothing you can cite will change that fact. The story also says that young man had AIDS and I'm guessing he wasn't getting his meds. How come his family wasn't sending money to him? Anything is available for the right price in Haiti. And who knows? He may have told the authorities he was here illegally, too. I wasn't there and you weren't there. On top of all that, it was NINE years ago.
Oh, and go back and read the story of the poor little guy who "wandered" about Mexico for three months. His family completely denies he has any kind of disability or illness. They say he has some odd mannerisms, but nothing is clinically wrong with him.
No system is perfect and mistakes happen, but the fact that they don't happen more often is what's more amazing to me. Maybe if there weren't so many people wandering this country with false documents and false ID's, it wouldn't be so difficult to determine a citizen from an illegal. Have you ever considered it from that point of view?

[Robert]

I am shocked that the Border Patrol would be stationed near a entry point to the United States. Who gave them the right to protect us and to enforce our laws...come on this is not the America we have come to love ... let all people in we don't need any laws , everyone do what they want , only abide by whatever laws that you decide are important....
BTW who ever keeps reelecting Barney Frank ??

[Summermoondancer]

HoneyC wrote:

<quoted text>BS, under the 1996 immigration laws, two MISDEMEANORS are grounds for revoking citizenship and deportation. ONE FELONY or two misdemeanors. You don't get 8 months in jail for jaywalking and the man admitted in the article that YOU provided that he had broken the law on several occasions. Those are just the crimes he was convicted for. We have no idea how many he committed that he was never convicted for or how many he committed that went undetected. I could give a damn when someone who started off here illegally and then CHOSE a life of crime gets deported.
You cite ONE case. Out of how many? Mistakes happen. I'm sure that even though you follow every rule and regulation laid out under the sun, you make mistakes. How someone can be held in custody and no one looks at the paperwork for how long(?) is beyond me. No one is deported overnight and it seems the family in your sad little story had ample opportunity to get this case in front of a judge to show him/her the proper paperwork. Every potential deportee has their day in court and nothing you can cite will change that fact. The story also says that young man had AIDS and I'm guessing he wasn't getting his meds. How come his family wasn't sending money to him? Anything is available for the right price in Haiti. And who knows? He may have told the authorities he was here illegally, too. I wasn't there and you weren't there. On top of all that, it was NINE years ago.
Oh, and go back and read the story of the poor little guy who "wandered" about Mexico for three months. His family completely denies he has any kind of disability or illness. They say he has some odd mannerisms, but nothing is clinically wrong with him.
No system is perfect and mistakes happen, but the fact that they don't happen more often is what's more amazing to me. Maybe if there weren't so many people wandering this country with false documents and false ID's, it wouldn't be so difficult to determine a citizen from an illegal. Have you ever considered it from that point of view?

Wrong it is grounds for revoking Permenent residency or visa, not US citizenship...the laws of 1996 do not address US citizens as it cannot.
The USSC has already held that you cannot revoke a person´s US citizenship unless they do it themselves.

[Summermoondancer]

Involuntarily Losing Your US Citizenship (Denaturalization

1. Convicted For An Act Of Treason Against The United States

2. Holding A Policy Level Position In A Foreign Country

3. Serving In Your Native Country’s Armed Forces If That Country Is Engaged In Hostilities Or At War With The United States

4. Serving In Your Native Country’s Armed Forces As An Officer Or A Non-Commissioned Officer

5. Lying To The USCIS During The Naturalization Process

6. Refusal To Testify Before Congress About Your Subversive Activities

Even if you were not entirely truthful or forthcoming during the naturalization process, the USCIS just can’t arbitrarily revoke your citizenship. Citizenship is one of those fundamental rights that our third branch of government (the judicial branch) takes very seriously. It appears the USCIS runs into difficulty with the federal courts when the USCIS revokes someone’s citizenship without giving the accused his or her day in court (no matter how blatant the violation of the law, see - Challenge to INS Denaturalization Procedure ).

After becoming a naturalized US citizen, you always have the option of renouncing your US citizenship. Beware though, if you renounce US citizenship, you will most likely be barred from living in the United States (there are exceptions), and can never become a US citizen again.

These are the only reasons for a loss of citizenship...not two misdemeanors as HoneyC implied.
http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html

[Summermoondancer]

Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964)

The Supreme Court held that since no provision of the law stripped natural-born Americans of their citizenship as a result of extended or permanent residence abroad, it was unconstitutionally discriminatory to apply such a rule only to naturalized citizens. The court rejected arguments that naturalized citizens who resumed permanent residence in their countries of origin presented particular challenges to US foreign policy, and that the government had a right to strip such people of their US citizenship in order to safeguard the country's diplomatic objectives.

Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967)
Beys Afroyim (born Ephraim Bernstein in Poland in 1893) immigrated to the US in 1912 and became a naturalized US citizen in 1926. In 1950, Afroyim moved to Israel. He tried to renew his US passport in 1960, but the State Department refused on the grounds that he had lost his citizenship by voting in an Israeli election in 1951. Afroyim sued the State Department, and the Supreme Court ruled (5-4) that he was still a US citizen.

The basic point of the Supreme Court's ruling in Afroyim v. Rusk was that the "citizenship clause" of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution -- while originally intended mainly to guarantee citizenship to freed Negro slaves and their descendants, and subsequently interpreted in Wong Kim Ark as conferring citizenship at birth to virtually everyone born in the US -- had effectively elevated citizenship to the status of a constitutionally protected right. Hence, Congress had no right to pass a law which had the effect of depriving an American of his citizenship without his assent.

Thus, the court ruled, a section of the Immigration and Nationality Act mandating automatic loss of citizenship for voting in a foreign election was invalid. Other, similar provisions providing for loss of citizenship for serving in a foreign army, or even swearing allegiance to a foreign country, were similarly invalid unless the action was accompanied by an intent to give up US citizenship.

[HoneyC]

And yes, you can lose American citizenship under many circumstances. For instance,

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2002-0...

[HoneyC]

Summermoondancer wrote:

Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964)
The Supreme Court held that since no provision of the law stripped natural-born Americans of their citizenship as a result of extended or permanent residence abroad, it was unconstitutionally discriminatory to apply such a rule only to naturalized citizens. The court rejected arguments that naturalized citizens who resumed permanent residence in their countries of origin presented particular challenges to US foreign policy, and that the government had a right to strip such people of their US citizenship in order to safeguard the country's diplomatic objectives.
Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967)
Beys Afroyim (born Ephraim Bernstein in Poland in 1893) immigrated to the US in 1912 and became a naturalized US citizen in 1926. In 1950, Afroyim moved to Israel. He tried to renew his US passport in 1960, but the State Department refused on the grounds that he had lost his citizenship by voting in an Israeli election in 1951. Afroyim sued the State Department, and the Supreme Court ruled (5-4) that he was still a US citizen.
The basic point of the Supreme Court's ruling in Afroyim v. Rusk was that the "citizenship clause" of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution -- while originally intended mainly to guarantee citizenship to freed Negro slaves and their descendants, and subsequently interpreted in Wong Kim Ark as conferring citizenship at birth to virtually everyone born in the US -- had effectively elevated citizenship to the status of a constitutionally protected right. Hence, Congress had no right to pass a law which had the effect of depriving an American of his citizenship without his assent.
Thus, the court ruled, a section of the Immigration and Nationality Act mandating automatic loss of citizenship for voting in a foreign election was invalid. Other, similar provisions providing for loss of citizenship for serving in a foreign army, or even swearing allegiance to a foreign country, were similarly invalid unless the action was accompanied by an intent to give up US citizenship.

You're trying to bring up issues that have nothing to do with the price of tea in China. If the little dumbass from California had voted in Mexico and was deported for it, then your citations would apply. If the other criminal you cited had joined a foreign army, your citations would apply. Neither one of them did, so none of your citations mean squat. Stick with your usual argument. You know, the all white people are racist devils one? You wander off on these tangents to redirect attention from the original story every time. You smokescreen better than any attorney I've ever seen. Are you in Honduras because we have no extradition treaty with them or something? You just have no justifiable racist argument for people protesting at the Canadian border because then it doesn't fit the "out to get the brown guy" argument, so you attempt to change direction. Give it up.

[Summermoondancer]

Honey, no you were the dumbass who claimed that a US citizen can have their citizenship revoked for committing two misdemeanors, now how about providing proof of that or admitting that you made a mistake?

[Summermoondancer]

Oh and Honey he was stripped of his citizenship for lying on his application which specifically asks if you were ever involved in the Nazi military during WWII
I already mentioned that as being something that is able to get your citizenship revoked..but a misdemeanor is not something that can get your citizenship revoked.

A judge in the U.S. city of Cleveland has revoked the U.S. citizenship of an accused Nazi death camp guard. As a result, retired autoworkers John Demjanjuk could face deportation.

U.S. District Judge Paul Matia ruled that the government proved in a trial eight months ago that 81-year-old John Demjanjuk served as a willing guard at Nazi camps during World War II. He also ruled that Demjanjuk lied about his past when he first came to the United States in 1952. Demjanjuk could be detained and deported or extradited to another country for criminal prosecution