Dr.'s in Poplar Bluff?
Citizen Cain

Faridabad, India

#21 Jun 12, 2008
What do they call someone who flunks out of medical school? A dentist.
new gal

Faridabad, India

#22 Jun 12, 2008
Critical thinker wrote:
Begin by writing in English?
What language did you read my post to be? LOL...German, perhaps?
You should maybe be less critical of those who question the validity of your posts and spend more time making sure your facts are accurate, and without predjudice.
Obviously the media has played a part in the misconception that Poplar Bluff's medical community is lacking in the proper credentials, or training.
ONE doctor with an MD degree from a Caribbean school, ONE who cannot pass their boards, doesn't make for an ENTIRELY tainted medical community in Poplar Bluff.
Also, I wouldn't exactly refer to St.Bernards as this region's John Hopkins University.....
Why is everyone in such a flux about Poplar Bluff hospitals being unable to handle the health issues of it's residents?
For choosing a presumptiously pompous moniker such as "critical thinker," you sure missed the thrust of my cpmment. I did not [favorably]compare St. Bernard's to Johns Hoplkins; I somewhat sarcastically ridiculed it. You are correct that there are many fine physicians here. The crux of the issue is that some of the younger, 2nd generation docs have not met the standards that their fathers did. You can see this by objective standards, such as the quality of the medical school, residency,board certification, and the like. The resumes of accomplished physicians generally reflects good schools, training and boards. When these factors are absent, one should "critically" assess this. If you were able to talk to accomplished physicians here, or ones at Barnes or SLU, who regularly are forced to treat not only the patient's original problem, but the others that develop due to inferior/wrong treatment, and if that patient was your son or daughter, I am certain you would feel differently.
Critical thinker

AOL

#23 Jun 12, 2008
Well, at least I have enough class not to post derogatory remarks at those who don't agree with my statements. Ok, so I didn't catch onto the sarcasm....
Since you make the accusations about second generation physicians in Poplar Bluff not being up to snuff, why not go public with the names of those you so easily discredit?
I don't remember too many of the 2nd gen guys except for Mike Caldwell and Gene Hansbrough.
I wouldn't so easily discredit a school that wasn't among the elite, as having that much bearing on the competence of a doctor, either. If a school is accredited, it's up to the individual to prove his/her ability and competence. Some teachers, trainers etc...are more talented than others, that's an obvious factor.
As for Barnes, Johns Hopkins etc...they are usually the next stage when a diagnosis is missed, or the problem goes beyond a small town doctor's expertise.
You are not the first person who has made the statement: If your son or daughter was wrongly diagnosed by these doctors, you've feel differently.
So what's with the docs now in Poplar Bluff?
How do people find out who's not up to par on their boards? Is it THAT obvious to EVERYONE???
new gal

Faridabad, India

#24 Jun 12, 2008
Critical thinker wrote:
Well, at least I have enough class not to post derogatory remarks at those who don't agree with my statements. Ok, so I didn't catch onto the sarcasm....
Since you make the accusations about second generation physicians in Poplar Bluff not being up to snuff, why not go public with the names of those you so easily discredit?
I don't remember too many of the 2nd gen guys except for Mike Caldwell and Gene Hansbrough.
I wouldn't so easily discredit a school that wasn't among the elite, as having that much bearing on the competence of a doctor, either. If a school is accredited, it's up to the individual to prove his/her ability and competence. Some teachers, trainers etc...are more talented than others, that's an obvious factor.
As for Barnes, Johns Hopkins etc...they are usually the next stage when a diagnosis is missed, or the problem goes beyond a small town doctor's expertise.
You are not the first person who has made the statement: If your son or daughter was wrongly diagnosed by these doctors, you've feel differently.
So what's with the docs now in Poplar Bluff?
How do people find out who's not up to par on their boards? Is it THAT obvious to EVERYONE???
Actually, to the extent it is even a question of "class," you don't; you began this by criticizing my post as the "dumbest" you've ever heard, largely because you did not take the time to properly read and/or comprehend it. It is ok; I understand.

I would suggest that simply asking your physician about his or her background would be the place to start, and essentially end, the process. If merely requiring your doctor to make it through an accredited school is your standard, if you can even call it that, then speciality training and board certification probably would mean little, if anything, to you.
pbstranger2

United States

#25 Jun 12, 2008
Okay now...let's all take a deep breath and try to relax a little...I feel a CODE ICE coming on!!! The problem with the healthcare here in PB is not the 2nd generation docs or the facilities that they practice in. It is the Admin. who runs these facilities and pays these docs. The admin. allows "rent-a-docs" to man the ER, they have a "hospitalist" to accept and admit patients who either don't have a regular doc or their regular doc is "out of pocket" or chooses not to admit his/her patients to this facility. They are getting rid of all the longterm "older" nurses so they can pay new grads less money. Then there are the few 1st and 2nd generation docs who have the "I am God" attitude simply because they are a doc, but continue to provide patients with lackluster care. These particular docs get verbally angry if their patient questions the docs chosen course of treatment. It's almost like a little hamster on the wheel....round and round we go and we get nowhere. Every place in the US has the same issues with healthcare PB is not elite in it's problems. I have received both good and bad care by PBRMC and its affiliates, but ultimately the choice is mine on who I see and what they do to me. If I'm not happy or comfortable, then I have the choice to go somewhere else....AIN'T AMERICA GREAT!!!!!
Critical thinker

AOL

#26 Jun 12, 2008
How about that, new gal? An intelligent reply by the pbstranger2. One that doesn't ASSUME what I'd require of my doctor too...Imagine that???
Appreciate your insight into this situation stranger, and you're right, this problem isn't confined to just Poplar Bluff...
Any other reply's with helpful insight is appreciated, as I am interested in opinions as to why people wouldn't neccesarily trust their local doc.
After spending most of my life in Semo, and never having a problem with the docs I grew up going to, I'm surprised at the disdain for these local guys now.
Nurse

Florence, CO

#27 Jun 14, 2008
You can all say what you want, you know that whole freedom of speech crap! Well, these doctor's can save your ass and trust me if they turned you away then you would all bitch and then sue us!

“THERE THEY GO !!”

Since: Sep 07

the sweet River

#28 Jun 14, 2008
Nurse wrote:
Well, these doctor's can save your ass and trust me if blah blah blah....
If the so calles "reputable"1st generation cant read an X-Ray{as in broken FEMUR]they need to go fishin' and call it quits,or watch basketball games or sumpfin:]Serious trouble needs serious doctors.Road Trip !
checker

AOL

#29 Jun 14, 2008
If you all think the doctors in the Bluff are awful-try most of the Doctors in Doniphan! I only trust good ole Doc Leroux and Amy Holland who's a Nurse Practitioner. The others are rude, incompetant, or foreign. I am not racist, but I do like a doctor that I can understand. When you live in Doniphan, you will be thankful for any Doctor at any hospital away from here.
new gal

Faridabad, India

#30 Jun 14, 2008
The topic began requesting comments about PB physicians, NOT about PBRMC. My comments are NOT critical of all of our doctors or critical of "critical thinker." I merely pointed out that most prudent people with chronic medical illnesses would probably prefer a smarter doc who went to a better medical school, completed a residency at a more prestigious university, and passed their boards, as opposed to one who made it through an average (or even foreign) school, a run-of-the-mill residency and could not pass their boards.(CT: a doc can practice medicine and make money without having their boards). It may not make much difference if all you have is a cold or flu (which will heal on its own any way). The problem is when the doctor treats you for cough or bronchitis, and 12 months later a better educated, trained, and insightful doc diagnoses your lung cancer, which has now spread everywhere, and is untreatable. Or your nice-guy family doc who recommends antacid for your heartburn, cannot read the chest x-ray and EKG he has ordered to rule out a heart attack, and sends you home with instructions to lay off the spicy foods, and the pathologist has to tell your family that you suffered a massive heart attack instead. Or the doc who does not keep up with the latest diabetic treatments, poorly manages your diabetes and hypertension for 10 years, at which time you lose a foot, a kidney, and then your eyesight to diabetic retinopathy. Do you need more examples? Basic medical problems are one thing; insidious diseases such as this, which most of the doctors here treat, are completely another thing. "Critical Thinker," if you are comfortable with someone who barely graduated from a nowhere medical school and an undistinguished residency treating your mom, dad, husband or wife, that is ok. I am only commenting that there are a few highly-regarded doctors here who fit the characteristics that I have mentioned, that I would not be comfortable having take care of a loved one with one or more of these terrible diseases. If my family is sick, I want the best, most qualified doctor caring for them. It is okay if you do not.
Critical thinker

AOL

#31 Jun 14, 2008
new gal, I can't help but to refer to you as the ultimate idealist, and a walking contridiction..
OF COURSE, we all want the very best health care professional, treating any of our loved ones, IF we know where to find them.
We also would prefer to have the best educated, most qualified, best trained individuals we can get too. Unfortunately, many of those doctors work at more prestigious hospitals than our own 'hometown' facilities.
As for the misdiagnosis of a cough or bronchitis for lung cancer that now is untreatable, I certainly have no way of defending that, except to wonder if there weren't more severe symptoms associated with it. An entire year after the initial diagnosis of bronchitis doesn't sound neccesarily as if the doctor 'failed' to make the right call..
I will say that MOST people don't survive a 'massive' heart attack. I would think that MOST any doctor can read an EKG, and if the attack were THAT severe, wouldn't ANY nurse or lay person see an EKG going off the charts, as a heart attack?
As for a diabetic, why would you see family practice doctors for that anyway?
Are these actual cases that have happened to someone in your family, or cases that you've HEARD about from friends??
Got an idea too...When you reply, stop ASSUMING that you know what I'm thinking...I didn't start this post to begin an argument with anyone. I only wondered why SOME people in this community doubted the ability of our local doctors to do a good job with the Hipocratic Oath that they took to care for those they serve.
If you have FACTUAL information to share, then share it, but don't spew heresay incidences of stuff you've 'heard' about from others, and stop with the condescending attitude, already. I started this to gather information, not start fights...

Since: Jun 08

Eminence, MO

#32 Jun 14, 2008
Critical thinker wrote:
Dons, I don't live in the area anymore, but when I did, Poplar Bluff's healthcare was exemplary.
When and how did the reputation of the areas medical community begin to go south? Word of mouth? DAR stories of lawsuits against doctors or hospitals?
Remember that it doesn't take but ONE lawsuit against a hospital being written by an overly enthusiastic reporter, to send shock waves through a community. Much like gossip...
i know people that have gone to the doctor here and been treated for a couple of months before the workmans comp would send them to stl and the doctor up there said that the doctor down here was a quack and hurt him more than helped him. additionally i just was hurt this past weekend and wouldn't dare step into our hospitals er to be looked at i would rather take my chances and wait till the next morning and went to one of the new doctors out at the copper top.
Critical thinker

AOL

#33 Jun 14, 2008
Appreciate the feedback pbredneck.....
There's a HUGE difference between ordinary treatment of an ailment and when it happens-work related. When it happens at work and thus, is referred to a workmans comp case, you are sent to a workers comp doctor. He's one who's interest is to protect the Missouri Employers Mutual Insurance Companies interest(company that pays work comp claims)from paying out anymore than is absolutely necessary. I'll leave it at that.

As for why you wouldn't let a local ER deal with your injury, I'm stumped...
How could the local hospitals garner such a negative view by what seems like, so many people?

Since: Jun 08

Eminence, MO

#34 Jun 14, 2008
i have just had some bad run-ins in the past with our hospital and they just scare me. it was not an absolute emergency and it wasn't worth having to sit in our er for hours waiting for them to say that i would have to go see a specialist anyways. and as for the work-mans comp the doctor here gave hiim a list of "exercises" to do in the mornings and night and the doctor from stl said that all of the exercises but one was hurting his back more than anything and that was from a very well known doctor in town.
Critical thinker

AOL

#35 Jun 14, 2008
I see....Again, thanks for the feedback
Just me

Saint Louis, MO

#36 Jun 15, 2008
try Dr.Hicky! she is GREAT! I promise you wont have anything bad to say about her.. maybe a long wait but... Not usually
new gal

West Monroe, LA

#37 Jun 16, 2008
Critical thinker wrote:
new gal, I can't help but to refer to you as the ultimate idealist, and a walking contridiction..
OF COURSE, we all want the very best health care professional, treating any of our loved ones, IF we know where to find them.
We also would prefer to have the best educated, most qualified, best trained individuals we can get too. Unfortunately, many of those doctors work at more prestigious hospitals than our own 'hometown' facilities.
As for the misdiagnosis of a cough or bronchitis for lung cancer that now is untreatable, I certainly have no way of defending that, except to wonder if there weren't more severe symptoms associated with it. An entire year after the initial diagnosis of bronchitis doesn't sound neccesarily as if the doctor 'failed' to make the right call..
I will say that MOST people don't survive a 'massive' heart attack. I would think that MOST any doctor can read an EKG, and if the attack were THAT severe, wouldn't ANY nurse or lay person see an EKG going off the charts, as a heart attack?
As for a diabetic, why would you see family practice doctors for that anyway?
Are these actual cases that have happened to someone in your family, or cases that you've HEARD about from friends??
Got an idea too...When you reply, stop ASSUMING that you know what I'm thinking...I didn't start this post to begin an argument with anyone. I only wondered why SOME people in this community doubted the ability of our local doctors to do a good job with the Hipocratic Oath that they took to care for those they serve.
If you have FACTUAL information to share, then share it, but don't spew heresay incidences of stuff you've 'heard' about from others, and stop with the condescending attitude, already. I started this to gather information, not start fights...
1. We have a number of superbly trained docs here, but they are not the ones that you see being thanked by the families of deceased patients in the paid expressions of condolescences published in the DAR.

2. Regrettably, mis-diagnosis and/or mistreatment of life-threatening diseases occurs more frequently than it should. My knowledge is personal, not hearsay, and it comes from many close friends whose family members haves suffered, and many who work in the healthcare field who are among my friends.

3. "Massive" heart attacks are not fatal if diagnosed and promptly and properly treated.They become fatal when they are mis-diagnosed and untreated. Nurses do not diagnose heart attacks. You should know that very few physicians around here actually know how to read an EKG. Aside from failed diagnoses, You would be surprised at the number of patients that undergo unnecessary cardiac by-pass surgery based upon EKGs and stress test that are improperly interpreted.

4. Many family doctors consider themselves capable of treating diabetics, and they do. They are able to because so many in this community lack the knowledge to seek treatment docs capable of treating their disease.

5. I do not assume, CT, that I know what you are thinking, any more than you know what I am "thinking." I draw reasoned conclusions from that which you express in writing on this board, just as you attempt to do.

6. What I share is factual, that I personally know from the experience of friends and their family. I do not believe it is appropriate to reveal names. The idea is not to make this personal. but to stimulate thought from those who care to think. My hope would be that people put as much thought into selecting a personal physician as they do into surfing the internet and spilling their guts on boards such as this.
Critical thinker

AOL

#38 Jun 16, 2008
Very good post..Thank you
No Longer There

Faridabad, India

#39 Jun 16, 2008
Well, the doctors do not share all the responsibility for all the problems. How many diabetics that are told to change their eating and get more exercise actually do it? How many people with cardiac and circulatory problems put down their cigarettes and booze to do their exercise? Not many!! Before you put all your blame on your doctor and hospital take a good long look at yourselves and see what you can do different to help your own health.
Guest

Faridabad, India

#40 Jun 16, 2008
I have to say that most of the problems in Poplar Bluff are with the hospital administration. I have worked there for 10 years and HMA is horrible. We are not allowed to order the supplies we need to treat patients. We have computer systems that are running on Windows 98. Most programs don't run on Windows 98 anymore. The administration does not care about the employees at all. All they care about is MONEY. And not what they are paying us but how much is going the their pockets. We worker ants are lucky to get a 3% a year raise. That does not even cover the increase in medical insurance every year. I could go on and on. I am just about to finish school with a different degree so I can get away from PBRMC. Don't go there if you don't have to.

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