Military to hold gun confiscation drill

Military to hold gun confiscation drill

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Proud Gun Owner

Seattle, WA

#1 Feb 21, 2009
Well, if this doesn't prove what is about to happen, nothing will.
The Iowa National Guard is planning to conduct a training exercise on how to invade a community in order to search door-to-door for firearms and arrest gun dealers. It will be held in Arcadia, Iowa on April 2-5. Other Guard units across the U.S. will conduct similar training in the near future in preparation for planned gun bans by Obama.

Here are some links for more information:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php...

http://www.ngb.army.mil/features/SDGC/news/08...

http://www.infowars.com/iowa-national-guard-t...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php...

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

I suggest reading all of the links and more to get the whole story. It is VERY scary!
guest

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Feb 21, 2009
I've reviewed the links you posted and I think you have taken the information out of context. I'm a gun owner and support my 2nd Amendment rights, but this type of false information does nothing to help our cause. The drill that was planned (and now cancelled) involved going door to door, of people who had already volunteered to participate, to search for a suspected arms dealer. There was no mention of confiscating people's guns.

Maybe as you said- "I suggest reading....to get the whole story."

“Bringer of Light”

Since: Feb 08

Near Detroit, MI

#3 Feb 21, 2009
"National Guard scraps plans to invade rural town"

It's not happening.

Aside from that, WND and infowars are far from reliable sources for any sort of real information.

I listen to alex jones sometimes for a laugh. the other day he was screaming about "fda reports finding toxic levels of mercury in high fructose corn syrup!" which is a complete and total f**king lie, as usual. The FDA reported finding DETECTABLE levels of mercury in HFCS, not toxic. The difference between a detectable level and a toxic level is something along the lines of an order of magnitude.

Take real information, tweak the details a tad to raise panic amongst the paranoid, and you have the kind of reporting you find on the websites you linked.
Capricorn

Olive Branch, MS

#4 Feb 21, 2009
The Little Rock police dept and Arkansas National Guard have had several trainings in urban warfare very similar to what was planned in Iowa. Only households willing to participate in the role playing were actually searched, and then only for training purposes. From what I understand from people that took part, it was great training for the police/ military.
bubagump

Faridabad, India

#5 Feb 21, 2009
Why do you think they do it for? The want to get people used to the idea of gun confiscation. They don't do it for nothing.
guest wrote:
I've reviewed the links you posted and I think you have taken the information out of context. I'm a gun owner and support my 2nd Amendment rights, but this type of false information does nothing to help our cause. The drill that was planned (and now cancelled) involved going door to door, of people who had already volunteered to participate, to search for a suspected arms dealer. There was no mention of confiscating people's guns.
Maybe as you said- "I suggest reading....to get the whole story."
DCC

Oxford, PA

#6 Feb 21, 2009
I'm really glad I'm retired Milatary. HHAHHAH You guys crack me up
socrates

Piggott, AR

#7 Feb 21, 2009
A little nugget about the upcoming G20 conference in London...

The consolidation of the world financial system stability through the creation of regional reserve currencies will be one of the problems to be discussed at the G20 Summit, Russian Minister Sergei Lavrov said. "Russian president Dmitri Medvedev and Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez discussed at their meeting the measures, developing the G20 principles approved in Washington, which are to be discussed at the next G20 Summit. One of the problems to be discussed is the consolidation of the stability of the international financial system by creating regional reserve currencies," he said. "This measure is a necessity, not an invention. The rouble and the yuan are objectively becoming centres of such regional currency support structures. The euro is already in existence. The dollar will cease to exist in the foreseeable future. A possibility of creating special currency in the Arab world is being discussed," Lavrov continued. He noted that an extraordinary summit of the Bolivarian Alternative for Latin America (ALBA) held on November 26 it had been agreed that a regional accounting unit, initially called a "sukre," could be created. "They agreed to assign the experts to analyse ways of using it not as real currency so far, but as accounting unit in trade and financial operations in general," Lavrov said.

http://www.g8.utoronto.ca/g20/g20plans/g20lea...

Haven't heard any of this on ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, or CNN. I wonder why?
Proud Gun Owner

Seattle, WA

#8 Feb 21, 2009
guest wrote:
I've reviewed the links you posted and I think you have taken the information out of context. I'm a gun owner and support my 2nd Amendment rights, but this type of false information does nothing to help our cause. The drill that was planned (and now cancelled) involved going door to door, of people who had already volunteered to participate, to search for a suspected arms dealer. There was no mention of confiscating people's guns.
Maybe as you said- "I suggest reading....to get the whole story."
You have missed the point entirely! The drill did not involve the guard actually taking peoples guns, it was an exercise, in other words practice. Yes the participants were volunteers.

The point is that the national guard would plan such an exercise. Why in the world would military forces in our own country want to plan how to confiscate citizen's guns unless there are plans to do so? I'm not claiming they are actually seizing guns in Iowa, they are planning to seize guns sometime in the future and this is a drill for that.

Plans to scrap the exercise does not change the fact that military units were planning and desiring the conduct such an exercise.
DHS66

Chesterfield, MO

#9 Feb 23, 2009
Proud Gun Owner,

These are variants of MOUT exercises. Military Operations on Urban Terrain. They have been going on for some years now. Some cities have refused to participate. The city of San Antonio resused, it was the Police Chief who would not give his concent. The military pressured the mayor and the city council to try to go around him.

Marines train for this all the time. A couple years ago, I talked with a former Marine Gunny, who had gotten out recently, and a Marine Captian. They BOTH told me that they were told that the training was presented to them as for foregin scenarios, but they, and the participating Marines knew that it was intended for the US. They did not know each other, had not served together, were of different ages, and from different areas from southeast Missouri.

That is why I keep telling some of the dummies who post over in "Military" that an unconditional LOVE of your military is dangerous. The military is an organization with objectives. The military is made up of individuals. It is fine to love an individual, but the love of an organization is a little Orwellian, too much like "1984."

As stated here. Why the hell would the Iowa National Guard be training to go after "gun dealers?" They have no policing power. They are restrained from policing by the Posse Comitatus Act of 1876. A gun dealer is not a terrorist, he is a private citizen. So, why the gun dealer scenario? A gun dealer training exercise can be converted rather quickly into a total gun confiscation for real. Information learned could be easily adopted to go after gun owners.

After all, these are the same bastards who went door to door in Iraq, a country which never harmed us, nor, did they threaten us, and they kicked in the doors of the Iraqi citizens, and took the firearms LEAGALLY OWNED by Iraqi citizens, when President Saddam Hussein was president. An Iraqi, under Iraqi law, could legally own a fully automatic AK-47. Can you? Without jumping through so many hoops and paying an outrageous tax to the BATF?

I wonder if these soldiers and Marines realize that when they come to our homes to take our guns, that there will be many Americans who will go to their homes and give their families a dose of the same terror that they gave us? Just wondering.
DHS66

Chesterfield, MO

#10 Feb 23, 2009
socrates, and bubagump,

You guys have got it right. Don't let these dummies shout you down.
DHS66

Chesterfield, MO

#11 Feb 23, 2009
Temecula,

You are not as smart as you think that you are.

You ridiculed the story on Alex Jones program heard live and repeated every 4 hours, 24/7, at www.infowars.com .

Well, dummy, here it is from Yahoo News. Notice the credible sources...

"Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury
Mon Jan 26, 5:02 pm ET

MONDAY, Jan. 26 (HealthDay News)-- Almost half of tested samples of commercial high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) contained mercury, which was also found in nearly a third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first- or second-highest labeled ingredient, according to two new U.S. studies.

HFCS has replaced sugar as the sweetener in many beverages and foods such as breads, cereals, breakfast bars, lunch meats, yogurts, soups and condiments. On average, Americans consume about 12 teaspoons per day of HFCS, but teens and other high consumers can take in 80 percent more HFCS than average.

"Mercury is toxic in all its forms. Given how much high-fructose corn syrup is consumed by children, it could be a significant additional source of mercury never before considered. We are calling for immediate changes by industry and the [U.S. Food and Drug Administration] to help stop this avoidable mercury contamination of the food supply," said the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy's Dr. David Wallinga, a co-author of both studies.

In the first study, researchers found detectable levels of mercury in nine of 20 samples of commercial HFCS. The study was published in current issue of Environmental Health.

In the second study, the agriculture group found that nearly one in three of 55 brand-name foods contained mercury. The chemical was most common in HFCS-containing dairy products, dressings and condiments.

The use of mercury-contaminated caustic soda in the production of HFCS is common. The contamination occurs when mercury cells are used to produce caustic soda.

"The bad news is that nobody knows whether or not their soda or snack food contains HFCS made from ingredients like caustic soda contaminated with mercury. The good news is that mercury-free HFCS ingredients exist. Food companies just need a good push to only use those ingredients," Wallinga said.

More information

The U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry has more about mercury and health."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20090126/hl_hsn/s...

You are a very foolish man.

“Bringer of Light”

Since: Feb 08

Near Detroit, MI

#12 Feb 23, 2009
DHS66 wrote:
Temecula,
You are not as smart as you think that you are.
You ridiculed the story on Alex Jones program heard live and repeated every 4 hours, 24/7, at www.infowars.com .
Well, dummy, here it is from Yahoo News. Notice the credible sources...
"Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury
Mon Jan 26, 5:02 pm ET
MONDAY, Jan. 26 (HealthDay News)-- Almost half of tested samples of commercial high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) contained mercury, which was also found in nearly a third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first- or second-highest labeled ingredient, according to two new U.S. studies.
HFCS has replaced sugar as the sweetener in many beverages and foods such as breads, cereals, breakfast bars, lunch meats, yogurts, soups and condiments. On average, Americans consume about 12 teaspoons per day of HFCS, but teens and other high consumers can take in 80 percent more HFCS than average.
"Mercury is toxic in all its forms. Given how much high-fructose corn syrup is consumed by children, it could be a significant additional source of mercury never before considered. We are calling for immediate changes by industry and the [U.S. Food and Drug Administration] to help stop this avoidable mercury contamination of the food supply," said the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy's Dr. David Wallinga, a co-author of both studies.
In the first study, researchers found detectable levels of mercury in nine of 20 samples of commercial HFCS. The study was published in current issue of Environmental Health.
In the second study, the agriculture group found that nearly one in three of 55 brand-name foods contained mercury. The chemical was most common in HFCS-containing dairy products, dressings and condiments.
The use of mercury-contaminated caustic soda in the production of HFCS is common. The contamination occurs when mercury cells are used to produce caustic soda.
"The bad news is that nobody knows whether or not their soda or snack food contains HFCS made from ingredients like caustic soda contaminated with mercury. The good news is that mercury-free HFCS ingredients exist. Food companies just need a good push to only use those ingredients," Wallinga said.
More information
The U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry has more about mercury and health."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20090126/hl_hsn/s...
You are a very foolish man.
"In the first study, researchers found detectable levels of mercury in nine of 20 samples of commercial HFCS. The study was published in current issue of Environmental Health."

Nowhere in that article does it claim that toxic levels of mercury exist in HFCS. It only says detectable levels. Therefore it debunks the claims of you and alex jones, which are intentionally amped up in order to raise panic amongst paranoid conspiracy theorists.

You're a paranoid conspiracy theorist, and probably prone to delusion.
Love it

Carrollton, TX

#13 Feb 23, 2009
Temecula wrote:
<quoted text>
"In the first study, researchers found detectable levels of mercury in nine of 20 samples of commercial HFCS. The study was published in current issue of Environmental Health."
Nowhere in that article does it claim that toxic levels of mercury exist in HFCS. It only says detectable levels. Therefore it debunks the claims of you and alex jones, which are intentionally amped up in order to raise panic amongst paranoid conspiracy theorists.
You're a paranoid conspiracy theorist, and probably prone to delusion.
This is exactly why I put you on my list of favorite posters to read!
squeal louder

Los Angeles, CA

#14 Feb 23, 2009
Temecula wrote:
<quoted text>
"In the first study, researchers found detectable levels of mercury in nine of 20 samples of commercial HFCS. The study was published in current issue of Environmental Health."
Nowhere in that article does it claim that toxic levels of mercury exist in HFCS. It only says detectable levels. Therefore it debunks the claims of you and alex jones, which are intentionally amped up in order to raise panic amongst paranoid conspiracy theorists.
You're a paranoid conspiracy theorist, and probably prone to delusion.
it has already been determined that mercury is toxic at any level. besides, if it was harmless to eat "just a little bit" should we now put it on the content labels and control how much of it our children consume? should we allow this mercury just so the manufacturer can save a couple bucks? the prison industry would benefit greatly from the latter due to an influx of crims. who drank too many sodas as a child! and WE THE TAXPAYERS w/end up paying for the insanity caused by these money grubbing devils!
squeal louder

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Feb 23, 2009
.... and it is not only in sodas but also practically everything else due to the de regulation policies of the last 8 yrs..

“Bringer of Light”

Since: Feb 08

Near Detroit, MI

#16 Feb 23, 2009
squeal louder wrote:
<quoted text>it has already been determined that mercury is toxic at any level. besides, if it was harmless to eat "just a little bit" should we now put it on the content labels and control how much of it our children consume? should we allow this mercury just so the manufacturer can save a couple bucks? the prison industry would benefit greatly from the latter due to an influx of crims. who drank too many sodas as a child! and WE THE TAXPAYERS w/end up paying for the insanity caused by these money grubbing devils!
SOURCE???

What are the PPM/PPB levels of toxicity?

You're just making things up.
KOS

Chagrin Falls, OH

#17 Feb 23, 2009
socrates wrote:
A little nugget about the upcoming G20 conference in London...
The consolidation of the world financial system stability through the creation of regional reserve currencies will be one of the problems to be discussed at the G20 Summit, Russian Minister Sergei Lavrov said. "Russian president Dmitri Medvedev and Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez discussed at their meeting the measures, developing the G20 principles approved in Washington, which are to be discussed at the next G20 Summit. One of the problems to be discussed is the consolidation of the stability of the international financial system by creating regional reserve currencies," he said. "This measure is a necessity, not an invention. The rouble and the yuan are objectively becoming centres of such regional currency support structures. The euro is already in existence. The dollar will cease to exist in the foreseeable future. A possibility of creating special currency in the Arab world is being discussed," Lavrov continued. He noted that an extraordinary summit of the Bolivarian Alternative for Latin America (ALBA) held on November 26 it had been agreed that a regional accounting unit, initially called a "sukre," could be created. "They agreed to assign the experts to analyse ways of using it not as real currency so far, but as accounting unit in trade and financial operations in general," Lavrov said.
http://www.g8.utoronto.ca/g20/g20plans/g20lea...
Haven't heard any of this on ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, or CNN. I wonder why?
And what does that have to do with -Military to hold gun confiscation drill-
socrates

Piggott, AR

#18 Feb 23, 2009
KOS wrote:
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And what does that have to do with -Military to hold gun confiscation drill-
What could possibly cause the type of civil unrest that would cause the NG to patrol American cities? Think about it...
What

Chagrin Falls, OH

#19 Feb 23, 2009
socrates wrote:
<quoted text>
What could possibly cause the type of civil unrest that would cause the NG to patrol American cities? Think about it...
Maybe civil unrest when we transform our currency to the Yen or maybe the Euro.
socrates

Piggott, AR

#20 Feb 23, 2009
What wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe civil unrest when we transform our currency to the Yen or maybe the Euro.
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