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xyzxxx

Lees Summit, MO

#21 Oct 28, 2012
Harry wrote:
<quoted text>
Who the heck are you talking about? If anybody running for President is the anti-Christ, it would be Romney.
Mormons are anti Christian. Ryan has already stated his greatest mentor is a Russian atheist that hates poor people .
How much more do you need? That they both want to raise taxes on old people and poor people?
Folks are not using their heads this election. Save yourself lots of cash in taxes and vote Obama!
Have you considered getting sober???
sooki

Poplar Bluff, MO

#22 Oct 28, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>Sooki says your a cult, you say your not, sounds like you need to get it straight in your own church before you talk about it on Topix. Lol!

And if Monson is a prophet, I'm a deciple of Christ himself. But he's a heck of a lot better as a figurehead of the church, than the guy waiting for him to die. You better hope for the sake of your religion that Monson outlives him.[/QUOTE]

You misunderstand. All religions are a cult.

Mormons are a Christian cult. Baptist are a Christian cult, Pentecost are a Christian cult.

No one can point at any Christian church and claim authority over all Christianity .

All see the others as heretics .....
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#23 Oct 28, 2012
sooki wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>Sooki says your a cult, you say your not, sounds like you need to get it straight in your own church before you talk about it on Topix. Lol!

And if Monson is a prophet, I'm a deciple of Christ himself. But he's a heck of a lot better as a figurehead of the church, than the guy waiting for him to die. You better hope for the sake of your religion that Monson outlives him."

You misunderstand. All religions are a cult.

Mormons are a Christian cult. Baptist are a Christian cult, Pentecost are a Christian cult.

No one can point at any Christian church and claim authority over all Christianity .

All see the others as heretics .....
Oh, so who's right? I'm going with the Egyptians, Amon-Ra and Osiris and using the Book of the Dead, after all it's where the story of Jesus came from, and Mosses, and Noah, and Joseph and Mary, a few thousand years before someone thought to remake those stories, and others, into the Bibles of Christianity.

The Nicea council took it many steps further, years later, in 300ish AD, and that is why many Christian religions speak the name of Amon-Ra in the translation "Amen" at the end of their prayers.

Certain books from the bible were also taken from the Gilgamesh Epics, The Atra Hasis, and the Enuma Elish just to name a few.

Nothing original about Christianity in any form.

Won't even start on the character of the 47 men gathered in 1604 to retranslate the Bishops and Geneva bibles, among others, into one of the most widely used bibles in the world.

So I guess some lost tablets delivered by Moroni, to Mr. Smith, in upstate New York, shouldn't be anything to far out there at all. Seems about par for the course.

One things for sure, your right that they're all Cults! With leaders,
and followers willing to believe whatever they're told to.
sooki

Poplar Bluff, MO

#24 Oct 29, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>Oh, so who's right? I'm going with the Egyptians, Amon-Ra and Osiris and using the Book of the Dead, after all it's where the story of Jesus came from, and Mosses, and Noah, and Joseph and Mary, a few thousand years before someone thought to remake those stories, and others, into the Bibles of Christianity.

The Nicea council took it many steps further, years later, in 300ish AD, and that is why many Christian religions speak the name of Amon-Ra in the translation "Amen" at the end of their prayers.

Certain books from the bible were also taken from the Gilgamesh Epics, The Atra Hasis, and the Enuma Elish just to name a few.

Nothing original about Christianity in any form.

Won't even start on the character of the 47 men gathered in 1604 to retranslate the Bishops and Geneva bibles, among others, into one of the most widely used bibles in the world.

So I guess some lost tablets delivered by Moroni, to Mr. Smith, in upstate New York, shouldn't be anything to far out there at all. Seems about par for the course.

One things for sure, your right that they're all Cults! With leaders,
and followers willing to believe whatever they're told to.[/QUOTE]

The roots of a religion are not the same thing as the tenants of a religion.

As far as who is right? Everyone gets to be right in matters of religion...
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#25 Oct 29, 2012
sooki wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>Oh, so who's right? I'm going with the Egyptians, Amon-Ra and Osiris and using the Book of the Dead, after all it's where the story of Jesus came from, and Mosses, and Noah, and Joseph and Mary, a few thousand years before someone thought to remake those stories, and others, into the Bibles of Christianity.

The Nicea council took it many steps further, years later, in 300ish AD, and that is why many Christian religions speak the name of Amon-Ra in the translation "Amen" at the end of their prayers.

Certain books from the bible were also taken from the Gilgamesh Epics, The Atra Hasis, and the Enuma Elish just to name a few.

Nothing original about Christianity in any form.

Won't even start on the character of the 47 men gathered in 1604 to retranslate the Bishops and Geneva bibles, among others, into one of the most widely used bibles in the world.

So I guess some lost tablets delivered by Moroni, to Mr. Smith, in upstate New York, shouldn't be anything to far out there at all. Seems about par for the course.

One things for sure, your right that they're all Cults! With leaders,
and followers willing to believe whatever they're told to."

The roots of a religion are not the same thing as the tenants of a religion.

As far as who is right? Everyone gets to be right in matters of religion...
Except the secret your leaders know, but don't tell you, is the Nicea council made some drastic misinterpretations, and reversed the roles of God and Satan.

I have to leave this thread, I try not to discuss religion with the masses,
It makes me sad.

Happy Samhain
sooki

Poplar Bluff, MO

#26 Oct 29, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>Except the secret your leaders know, but don't tell you, is the Nicea council made some drastic misinterpretations, and reversed the roles of God and Satan.

I have to leave this thread, I try not to discuss religion with the masses,
It makes me sad.

Happy Samhain[/QUOTE]

Really? Your saying it makes a difference?

Metaphysical horse crap to avoid personal responsibility.

We all live in the 21st century. Of course there are still those living in mysticism......we have a word for them...idiots...
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#27 Oct 29, 2012
sooki wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>Except the secret your leaders know, but don't tell you, is the Nicea council made some drastic misinterpretations, and reversed the roles of God and Satan.

I have to leave this thread, I try not to discuss religion with the masses,
It makes me sad.

Happy Samhain"

Really? Your saying it makes a difference?

Metaphysical horse crap to avoid personal responsibility.

We all live in the 21st century. Of course there are still those living in mysticism......we have a word for them...idiots...
Oh, there is the name calling I knew we could get to. And you were so polite up to that point. Lol! So we have decided there is a group of people in the world that you consider "idiots" because they don't believe like you?

That's the religious right I know and love!

And here I thought you were going to let me down.
Biblical Scholar

United States

#28 Oct 29, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much?"]<quoted text>
I still want to know how Noah fit all those animals on his ark? Was it some sort of alternate dimension with unlimited space? Otherwise it wouldn't have held even the land mammals of Africa, let alone any other species.
And what about the trees and flowers, did God grant them the ability to survive under water for 40 days and nights? I've seen small floods that only lasted a couple of weeks, kill trees and grass and everything else on the land they covered.
Is this just one more of those questions I ask because of that pesky tree of knowledge that God didn't want anyone eating from?
Did God just want followers? With no ability to gain knowledge that would make us question things?
While we're at it, what language did Adam and Eve speak? Maybe the whole Snake and apple thing was just a miscommunication? And why does every picture I see of Adam and Eve, show them with belly buttons? Kind of like all of the modern depictions of Jesus, make him a white guy? Shouldn't he have a prominent Jewish nose, at least? And didn't he wear tassels to signify his strong Hebrew beliefs? Where are those in the depictions?
I guess they were left out, along with Horus's head of an eagle? Since that is the first story that depicts a son of God, born to a virgin mother Mary, having 12 followers, helping the poor and healing the sick, raising a dude named lazarus, and being risen from the dead after a few days. Not to mention all the other things that match up perfectly.
The men who wrote your bible were nothing if not good plagiarizers.
[/QUOTE]

To answer your question about whether everything was killed the Bible does not really say but I believe the trees and vegetation probably were killed based on fossils archeaologists have discovered. The whole climate was probably changed; fossils have been discovered that would indicate that the North and South pole probably were very tropical before the flood.
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#29 Oct 29, 2012
Biblical Scholar wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much?"]<quoted text>
I still want to know how Noah fit all those animals on his ark? Was it some sort of alternate dimension with unlimited space? Otherwise it wouldn't have held even the land mammals of Africa, let alone any other species.
And what about the trees and flowers, did God grant them the ability to survive under water for 40 days and nights? I've seen small floods that only lasted a couple of weeks, kill trees and grass and everything else on the land they covered.
Is this just one more of those questions I ask because of that pesky tree of knowledge that God didn't want anyone eating from?
Did God just want followers? With no ability to gain knowledge that would make us question things?
While we're at it, what language did Adam and Eve speak? Maybe the whole Snake and apple thing was just a miscommunication? And why does every picture I see of Adam and Eve, show them with belly buttons? Kind of like all of the modern depictions of Jesus, make him a white guy? Shouldn't he have a prominent Jewish nose, at least? And didn't he wear tassels to signify his strong Hebrew beliefs? Where are those in the depictions?
I guess they were left out, along with Horus's head of an eagle? Since that is the first story that depicts a son of God, born to a virgin mother Mary, having 12 followers, helping the poor and healing the sick, raising a dude named lazarus, and being risen from the dead after a few days. Not to mention all the other things that match up perfectly.
The men who wrote your bible were nothing if not good plagiarizers.
"

To answer your question about whether everything was killed the Bible does not really say but I believe the trees and vegetation probably were killed based on fossils archeaologists have discovered. The whole climate was probably changed; fossils have been discovered that would indicate that the North and South pole probably were very tropical before the flood.
Umm... Ok? Are those the fossils that biblical scholars such as yourself choose to believe in? As opposed to the ones you don't? I always get them confused.

I guess the possibility that the fossils got there from the shifting of the plates that make up the crust of the planet is just crazy! Obviously climate worked different back then, and the poles of the earth had more sun during the days than they do now, and of course the atmosphere was entirely different to make that possible..

I'm glad we decided on an inter-dimensional space within the Ark, to hold all the animals though, that gives me some peace of mind on the subject.
sooki

Poplar Bluff, MO

#30 Oct 29, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>Oh, there is the name calling I knew we could get to. And you were so polite up to that point. Lol! So we have decided there is a group of people in the world that you consider "idiots" because they don't believe like you?

That's the religious right I know and love!

And here I thought you were going to let me down.[/QUOTE]

It is apparent you did not read any of my posts...I am actually arguing against religion and championing reason concerning good and evil...

Like I said idiot....
proud veteran

Poplar Bluff, MO

#31 Oct 29, 2012
Harry wrote:
<quoted text>
Who the heck are you talking about? If anybody running for President is the anti-Christ, it would be Romney.
Mormons are anti Christian. Ryan has already stated his greatest mentor is a Russian atheist that hates poor people .
How much more do you need? That they both want to raise taxes on old people and poor people?
Folks are not using their heads this election. Save yourself lots of cash in taxes and vote Obama!
if you want to loose EVERYTHING you have worked so hard for vote Obama BUT if you want to save this country from loosing EVERYTHING we have fought for vote Romney!! As fsr as religion goes there are hypocrites in every religion and they think there religion is right everyone else is wrong!!NOW YOU KNOW WHY I DONT BELONG TO A CHURCH!!Im pagan I believe what I see I worship the land and animals on it not the people cause animals wont lie to you!! VOTE ROMNEY
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#32 Oct 30, 2012
proud veteran wrote:
<quoted text>if you want to loose EVERYTHING you have worked so hard for vote Obama BUT if you want to save this country from loosing EVERYTHING we have fought for vote Romney!! As fsr as religion goes there are hypocrites in every religion and they think there religion is right everyone else is wrong!!NOW YOU KNOW WHY I DONT BELONG TO A CHURCH!!Im pagan I believe what I see I worship the land and animals on it not the people cause animals wont lie to you!! VOTE ROMNEY
Umm... Ok... Thanks for your input. I'm sure we will all take your list of reasons, and ponder deeply.

Let's see, your list is..

Obama bad!
Romney good!

Pretty convincing argument.
Seriously
#33 Oct 30, 2012
Harry wrote:
<quoted text>
Who the heck are you talking about? If anybody running for President is the anti-Christ, it would be Romney.
Mormons are anti Christian. Ryan has already stated his greatest mentor is a Russian atheist that hates poor people .
How much more do you need? That they both want to raise taxes on old people and poor people?
Folks are not using their heads this election. Save yourself lots of cash in taxes and vote Obama!
I agree!!
julie

Chicago, IL

#34 Oct 30, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
Oh, there is the name calling I knew we could get to. And you were so polite up to that point. Lol! So we have decided there is a group of people in the world that you consider "idiots" because they don't believe like you?
That's the religious right I know and love!
And here I thought you were going to let me down.[/QUOTE] I am part of the religious right and i will thank you not to lump me in with everyone. That is quite a blanket statement considering you don't know everyone on the right. If you are commenting on a previous comment, don't make a blanket statement about a whole religion. It makes you look silly and narrow minded.
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#35 Oct 30, 2012
julie wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
Oh, there is the name calling I knew we could get to. And you were so polite up to that point. Lol! So we have decided there is a group of people in the world that you consider "idiots" because they don't believe like you?
That's the religious right I know and love!
And here I thought you were going to let me down. "

I am part of the religious right and i will thank you not to lump me in with everyone. That is quite a blanket statement considering you don't know everyone on the right. If you are commenting on a previous comment, don't make a blanket statement about a whole religion. It makes you look silly and narrow minded.
As part of the religious right, you get lumped in with the religious right. If you don't want to be lumped in with them, maybe you don't want to use them as a description of yourself.

They all share many traits, just like the religious left, extreme liberals, fiscal conservatives, religious conservatives, Etc etc etc.. Saying that your part of any of these groups comes with acknowledging that you stand for at least a majority of the values, or lack thereof, they espouse as their ideology.

For instance, if your part of the religious right, I can assume that your pro conception to birth as this is a center theme in that movement.
julie

Chicago, IL

#36 Oct 30, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
As part of the religious right, you get lumped in with the religious right. If you don't want to be lumped in with them, maybe you don't want to use them as a description of yourself.
They all share many traits, just like the religious left, extreme liberals, fiscal conservatives, religious conservatives, Etc etc etc.. Saying that your part of any of these groups comes with acknowledging that you stand for at least a majority of the values, or lack thereof, they espouse as their ideology.
For instance, if your part of the religious right, I can assume that your pro conception to birth as this is a center theme in that movement.[/QUOTE] OK. what i should have said is I would be lumped in with the religious right. I am a christian, but not a robot. I am non-denominational and suspicious about all motives of christian people. I have learned to trust no one. But even yourself would have to be lumped in with someone. even if it were just being human...which can come with alot of criticism.
gullible much?

Farmington, MO

#37 Oct 30, 2012
julie wrote:
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
As part of the religious right, you get lumped in with the religious right. If you don't want to be lumped in with them, maybe you don't want to use them as a description of yourself.
They all share many traits, just like the religious left, extreme liberals, fiscal conservatives, religious conservatives, Etc etc etc.. Saying that your part of any of these groups comes with acknowledging that you stand for at least a majority of the values, or lack thereof, they espouse as their ideology.
For instance, if your part of the religious right, I can assume that your pro conception to birth as this is a center theme in that movement. "

OK. what i should have said is I would be lumped in with the religious right. I am a christian, but not a robot. I am non-denominational and suspicious about all motives of christian people. I have learned to trust no one. But even yourself would have to be lumped in with someone. even if it were just being human...which can come with alot of criticism.
I am my biggest critic no doubt, and I have a lot of criticisms for the human race in general.

I have friends from the right, the left, and even the extremes of those categories, I believe that our future as a nation, and as humans, lies somewhere in the middle. I share some beliefs from many ideologies, and from some I share none.

I am pro conception to birth, for myself and prochoice for everyone else. I am pro life, from birth to natural or accidental death, and believe we should make laws to ensure that that death is as far away from birth as possible.

Pick a category for me, classification doesn't bother me, just haven't found the one I really fit into just yet. And I think there are more people like me than people like to admit.
julie

Chicago, IL

#38 Oct 30, 2012
[QUOTE who="gullible much? "]<quoted text>
I am my biggest critic no doubt, and I have a lot of criticisms for the human race in general.
I have friends from the right, the left, and even the extremes of those categories, I believe that our future as a nation, and as humans, lies somewhere in the middle. I share some beliefs from many ideologies, and from some I share none.
I am pro conception to birth, for myself and prochoice for everyone else. I am pro life, from birth to natural or accidental death, and believe we should make laws to ensure that that death is as far away from birth as possible.
Pick a category for me, classification doesn't bother me, just haven't found the one I really fit into just yet. And I think there are more people like me than people like to admit.[/QUOTE]As a christian, I have to believe that God is fair and in the end, He will sort the whole mess out. For me, the extremes are, on the left, tree huggers, socialists, new agers. and on the right, klan, nazi's and skinheads. I fit in none of those. I thank you for your reply. This world is hard to live in and like me I hope you find your way in the most excellent way. For me, it's with the help of Christ. I can't help it. i love Him.:) I am pro life. period. But i am compassionate when someone has to make that hard choice because i had to. I chose abortion. I regret it. along with alot of other choices. I love His mercy. and yet He has allowed me to adopt 2 boys and have 3 grandchildren. anyway reply to me anytime. no animosity on my side. Julie

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