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black intellect

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#166
Jun 21, 2009
 
i would definitely say there's a direct correlation between hoc/low income residents and crime. i live in the waterlanding section of germantown, and though it's a decent neighborhood, the distinct behavior and mentality between the "paying" residents and hoc deposits is apparent; and lot of problems we have are due to the hoc teenagers. the hoc teenagers are very loud, often litter, uncontrolled and yards never upkept. i think the county is doing a terrible job of managing many of these residents. i mean, let's be quite frank, many of these hoc kids, teenagers and adults look like they're straight out of SE DC or the worse parts of PG county.

if i had to do it all over again, i would stay far far away from germantown and gaitherburg (east of 270).
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#167
Jun 22, 2009
 
being unkept, "looking" like hoodlums, etc... is one thing (no law against that). i was asking about correlation to actual crime increase in areas with hoc/low income residents in montgomery county and germantown.

if there is a correlation, we should have these hoc programs revisited. i am a germantown resident and concerned with what i read about the crimes in the area. thx.
black intellect

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#168
Jun 22, 2009
 
guest,

yes, there are no laws prohibiting a certain type of lifestyle, BUT in many instances, there are obvious connections between some of these "legal" conditions and crimes.

with that being said, i don't think you would find any literature or collected data that specifically says hoc/low-income resident x committed crime y or the influx of hoc housing has increased crime; i think that would cause the aclu and other left-wing zealous (yes, i'm a democrat) to go nuts. however, if you closely study the crime logs/reports (links above) it is obvious that it is not the $90k+ household residents that are burglarizing houses, committing arm robberies or stealing from vehicles.

have you ever wondered why besthesda, chevy chase, potomac, etc. are much safer neighborhoods while takoma park, germantown, silver spring, etc. are hot spots? do you know what differentiates these neighborhoods? i think it's quite obvious -- median income, lack of subsidized housing, run down apartments, well-kept houses, etc., etc., etc.$$$$$
black intellect

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#169
Jun 22, 2009
 
also, i seriously doubt the county or state would stop relocating low income/hub residents, or at the very least, do a thorough revisit of the management policies guiding these programs. these social engineering "experiments" grow out of idealism instead of practicality: you can't simply dump (or should i say, relocate) people and expect a drastic change or substantial shift in lifestyle. the effort should be a complete one: job training, professional counseling, after-school and summer programs for underprivileged kids/teenagers, etc., etc. in addition to providing housing. it also needs to be strict and make the recipients accountable.
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#170
Jun 23, 2009
 
black intellect - i don't disagree with you. i just wanted to see there were concrete link between the 2 (some data behind it). if there is solid evidence, we should at least have moco hoc revisit their plans.

i do understand we need to help the less fortunate, but not at the safety of our communities. however, i'm still tossed whether there is a firm link, though.
PC is BS

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#171
Jul 2, 2009
 
Section 8 Vouchers and Crime Correlated

"criminologist husband and his housing-expert wife made a correlation that makes so much sense, you just know it will encounter fierce resistance from media and political elites"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/...
black intellect

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#172
Jul 3, 2009
 
PC is BS, thank very very very much for this article.

guest, do you need anymore proof? or do you rather have data that specifically says Germantown, MD instead of Memphis, TN?

visit http://www.crimereports.com/map/index/... and then drive around those neighborhoods with the heavy concentration of icons; i guarantee you these neighborhoods have a relatively high number of section 8 housing. to give you a example, look at the crime rate (icon) in the south germantown neighborhood (south-west corner of the intersection of clopper road and germantown road) and the rest of germantown. what does that tell you? the south germantown community has very few or no section 8 housing while the remaining has relatively high low income residents. please, please don't take my word for it. just drive in that part of town and then the "other side" of town. you would see the vivid evidence.

guest, seriously, this is not rocket science! Betts and Janikowski have already done most of the work for you. i've provided the link of crime icons, now you have to trace where some of these section 8 residents live or are concentrated; you will see the correlation you asked for and Betts and Janikowski perfectly painted for you.
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#173
Jul 6, 2009
 
black intellect, i totally agree with you. what i was asking originally is if there were any studies or data to prove it. pc is bs and you have provided some convincing info.

my question now is why would montgomery county jeopardize communities when there is proof like this? i imagine there must be some compelling reason why there is an organization like the moco hoc.

in any case, i don't think section 8 programs will be stopped and we'll probably have to endure more of the same.
black intellect

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#174
Jul 7, 2009
 
guest,

you're absolutely correct. i don't understand why montgomery county would jeopardize losing tax paying residents and its middle-class base in a neighborhood with great potential like germantown. i'm black (apparent from my alias), but i would have left this area, county and even state in a heartbeat if the housing market was slightly better; and i still have plans to. the problem with montgomery county, and even the state of maryland, is that it is very liberal and sometime neglect the middle-class in an effort to be seen as "opened." if i could do it all over again i would've moved across the river to virginia where they are not as liberal and are more realistic: they understand that gangsters abruptly removed out of southeast d.c. and relocated into the suburbs wouldn't miraculously become a law-abiding citizens.

honestly, there is great intention behind moco hoc, but it's one thing in theory and another in practice.
PC is BS

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#175
Jul 8, 2009
 
black intellect wrote:
PC is BS, thank very very very much for this article.
You're welcome.

Love your points in the last couple posts. I am white and therefore run into a situation where if I say something, I'm "racist". I hate that. Hence MY handle.

I like to say that "thug" and "ghetto" are not races, they are attitudes. Lifestyles. Warped world views. Regardless of a person's color or ethnicity or country of origin, if they are bombarded from birth with negative stereotypes in the media (rappers, etc.),liberals telling them they are victims, the victim industry (Sharpton, Jackson) reinforcing the victim mentality, and are used to getting things for free from the goverment and thus develop an attitude of entitlement.... You get antisocial thugs!

The trick, I believe, is to immediately stop rewarding bad decisions by rescinding welfare payouts and replacing them with jobs. I'm not saying force anyone to work. They can choose not to work, it's just that society will no longer pay the bills. There is plenty of infrastructure work that needs to be done and it seems to me we have an idle potential labor force which we are paying anyway to do nothing.

It might take a while, possibly a generation, but I believe people who would otherwise fall into thuggery might get the sense of responsibility and pride that the rest of us take for granted and actually contribute something to society.
black intellect

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#176
Jul 8, 2009
 
ahhh... political correctness is bullshit.. lol... so, so true.

man, no one could have articulated this position any better. you are 10000000% correct!! this has been my position all along. i really hate Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson; and NO!, they are NOT Reverends. many so-called black leaders either don't fully understand or intentionally ignore the detrimental impact that these fools are having on the black and minor community in general. they are opportunists, at the expensive of uneducated minorities.

my family was once a welfare case and we understood the important of education. i worked very hard to get an undergraduate degree in a very tough major and most recently a masters. i make decent money and no i'm not a sellout. it's a very simple formula: you work hard you get rewarded.
PC is BS

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#177
Jul 9, 2009
 
black intellect wrote:
my family was once a welfare case and we understood the important of education. i worked very hard to get an undergraduate degree
My paternal grandparents were immigrants who came over with nothing and worked their way up. They encouraged my Dad to try to have a better life, get a degree, etc. and he likewise encouraged me. I was taught nothing is free and you have to work for everything you get in this life. On my maternal side my Mom was adopted and supposedly her Mom was so poor she used to clean apartments for peanuts but to hear my Mom tell it, all her step-sibs were law abiding and polite and all went on to marry and raise nice families and be generally good people.

So though I am lucky to have been born into a middle class standing that was acquired by my family before I came along, at least the principles that got my family there were passed down to me. And they will be to my kids.

Problem with society now is this isn't taught enough. And the nanny government is a massive part of the problem. Their job is to provide an even playing field and infrastructure and anything beyond that that you get in life should be the fruit of your own labors. This government has no concept of the founding principles of this country.

Somewhat related anectdote is that I work with a number of Africans. Not Americans, I mean from continental Africa. They seem to have been taught by their parents to do real well in school and excel at work and in life in general. Couple of them speak 3 or 4 languages. Anyway, as I said before, it's NOT about race, it's about attitude, upbringing, world view,....
GARY

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#178
Jul 9, 2009
 
PC is BS wrote:
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The trick, I believe, is to immediately stop rewarding bad decisions by rescinding welfare payouts and replacing them with jobs.
What jobs? Are you referring to the jobs that used to be here or the jobs that are now performed on a slave basis by illegals?

Soon, all of us will be on welfare unless one has a government job. What reasoning will you use at that point.

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#179
Jul 10, 2009
 
Scarey And Very True
GARY wrote:
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Soon, all of us will be on welfare unless one has a government job. What reasoning will you use at that point.
PC is BS

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Jul 10, 2009
 
GARY wrote:
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What jobs? Are you referring to the jobs that used to be here or the jobs that are now performed on a slave basis by illegals?
ABSOLUTELY! It is completely baffling to me how there can be people on welfare but at the same time also so many jobs that need to be done that illegals are enticed in here to fill them. Illegals working, Americans sitting on their ass at the same time. Perverse!

So yes, they absolutely should take those jobs. Further, our infrastructure is completely crumbling and even with this abhorant "stimulus" spending, only about 1/3 the money necessary to fix bridges, sewage systems, water systems, etc. is being spent. So you have a need for a LOT of labor... and you have an idle work force getting money ANYWAY.

All I'm saying is give them the opportunity to work for their checks.

We have got to break the cycle of dependency and the attitude of entitlement. We are raising generations of people who don't even grasp the concept of working for what you have. Who have no interest whatsoever in self improvement, etc. Welfare and social programs, though intended to give people a leg up or help them through a rough patch, have been completely perverted. They were never meant to be a lifestyle
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#181
Jul 10, 2009
 
PC is BS wrote:
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It is completely baffling to me how there can be people on welfare but at the same time also so many jobs that need to be done that illegals are enticed in here to fill them. Illegals working, Americans sitting on their ass at the same time.

Welfare and social programs, though intended to give people a leg up or help them through a rough patch, have been completely perverted. They were never meant to be a lifestyle
The answer is Social Engineering. Some segments are meant to be idle and business here prefers workers that will perform as slaves with no concern for labor/wage law.

This economy will no longer/never support the jobs necessary to put everyone to work. Study just England's economy and social structure and you will see where this populace is headed by the recent revisionist political policies.

CHI-TOWN economics at it's best, selling the country for votes.
Roserazzle

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#183
Jul 12, 2009
 

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Black Intellect: I congratulate you on your determination and success. You have fought a battle and won.

I live in Ashburn Virginia, in Broadlands. It is a marvelous neighborhood. If you are sick of Maryland, you should consider moving to Loudoun County, Virginia. Maryland is going downhill. we lived there 18 years ago, in Crofton. I hated it. My girls were in Elementary school and I just had this gut feeling I did not want my girls to grow up in this area, and this socialist state.

With the current administration, I say, sell your place, get out and get far away from DC. We are 35 miles away. I like it here. I feel safe. We can walk around at night. Broadlands is the best neighborhood. My girls are grown. I have one still home (going to William and Mary... by the way, Virginia has better colleges) My husband and I are looking to downsize. Not sure where we are going, we are not in a hurry.
Loudoun county has fabulous schools too. This has been a wonderful area for our girls.
black intellect

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#184
Jul 13, 2009
 
thank you very much, Roserazzle!

you are absolutely right about maryland going down the tube. i once thought columbia (and howard county in general) was better but i'm starting to learn there's an influx from baltimore city; there are only a few pockets in these counties (montgomery and howard) that are comparable to northern virgina cities. maryland honestly needs to look in the mirror and reevaluate its detrimental policies.

i have several friends that live in subdivision/towns throughout asburn -- including the broadlands, lansdowne and belmount. i've always LOVE these three subdivisions/towns. it's picture perfect. i once read a forum posting where a traveler passing through asburn thought it was the most beautiful town he's ever seen.

i was once searching in asburn right after the market crashed, but i decided to wait until it bottomed. i hope to focus on the mclean, tyson corner or fall church areas soon. i'm really hoping for a piece of mind where i don't have to compete with the non-paying residents who tend to consume most of the hoa and county resource.
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#185
Jul 23, 2009
 
black intellect, I've lived in both MD and VA and currently reside in Vienna, VA and it's not as safe as you think it would be.

My bf and I rent house in Vienna and frankly for the price we pay I would have expected a much nicer and safer community. Both our cars have been broken into, two burglaries have occured in our neighborhoods and three weeks ago a neighbor's car was stolen right from their driveway-and this is a neighborhood with houses valued at $500K and above.

Ironically, I used to work in Germantown and lived in Gaithersburg and had no issue with crime. Germantown has it's issues and I certainly don't think that Germantown being a dumping ground for Section 8 is a good thing. However; crime can happen just about anywhere these days.

Since you mentioned Loudoun County, there have been several disturbing crimes including the murder of a couple in Lansdowne during an early morning stroll and a fatal shooting in Potomac Falls, so crime does happen their too.

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#186
Jul 24, 2009
 
If I was a crim, I'd find my way to where the money is and rip off cars or houses there. So I don't think there are 100%'safe' areas.

Crime is down overall in Monty, I was happy to read. Proactive policing? Kids having more to do? I don't know but what ever it is we should do more of it.

I think the approach is two pronged: Make the punishments for crime stick, not revolving door prisons so that getting caught is more than just a slight inconvenience. But at the same time reward those kids that want to find alternatives by actually giving them something to do to make good use of their time.

Used to be parents made sure their kids had alternatives, now unfortunately they leave it up to society. But that's the reality of it, so maybe a few more community centers and activities would be a good idea.

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