Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as ...

Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire

There are 70731 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 18, 2009, titled Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Israeli troops began withdrawing from the Gaza Strip on Sunday after Hamas declared a cease-fire, setting the stage for intensified international efforts to arrange a durable truce after a 22-day war against ...

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Ize Back

United States

#63 Jan 19, 2009
Turkish Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
exactly
there are many kurds here in Istanbul, but they dont riot, cause violence. why? because they are now used to live in a big city, they have their job, their personal car, a girlfriend, a nice house. or at least the possibility, the dream of these stuff. in the eastern lands of my country, where kurds are highly populated, thats why there is chaos. because they dont have those stuff to look forward to. if you give these people a purpose they would not be violent. thats how the kurds in major cities arent violent. why should they? solution is simple. turkey will suspend all its army budget and invest in those lands. israel do the same to palestinians. i assure you when those people see they are being treated in a nice hospital and get educated in a university, they will give up their weapons. thats how there is no chaos in istanbul. we have kurds here too, but they are city people now :)
we should adapt the same city life to other regions.(worldwide)
Here's some old news that's relevant to this discussion, Doctor..
TURKEY has sent up to 10,000 troops into northern Iraq to hunt down Kurdish guerillas, despite earlier warnings from the United States against such a ground offensive.

"A land operation is a whole new level," a US deputy assistant Secretary of State, Matthew Bryza, said in Brussels yesterday.

In October, shortly before Turkey's parliament approved such a cross-border offensive, the US President, George Bush, said: "We are making it very clear to Turkey that we don't think it is in their interest to send troops into Iraq."

Mr Bush met the Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in November, and they agreed to boost intelligence sharing on the activities of the Kurdish guerilla group PKK.

Mr Bryza said the US had since been co-operating with Turkey in providing intelligence on PKK positions so Turkey could minimise civilian casualties during air attacks. He said the land incursion was "not the greatest news".

The US military said it was aware that Turkish ground forces had entered northern Iraq for an operation of "limited duration" and had given assurances it would do everything possible to avoid civilian casualties.

Turkey said its troops would return home "in the shortest time possible after its goals have been achieved".

#In Baghdad, the Iraqi Foreign Minister, Hoshiyar Zebari, said his Government was unaware of the offensive.

The European Union said Turkey should refrain from any disproportionate military action. Britain urged Ankara to leave Iraqi territory as early as possible.

Turkey says it has the right under international law to hit PKK rebels who shelter in northern Iraq and mount attacks in Turkey.

We got to do what we got to do..
Sounds all too familiar, right?
Obama Finklestein

Hebron, CT

#65 Jan 19, 2009
Turkish doctor has a Hamass flag on the wall in his basement where he sits in the dark and watches Farful The Mouse on video.

“Peace Advocate”

Since: Dec 08

Earth

#66 Jan 19, 2009
ize back. just because my fascist government invaded and raped another countries territory doesnt give you the right. so what you say doesnt change anything. my president, my army etc.. they do not represent me. i am an individual, and as an individual i m against such military operations. lets see what israel gained with latest gaza attacks? lets see.. i bet you anything it achieved nothing. no goals were accomplished. in a few months, the same incidents will happen again. what does that tell you? well it must tell you 1000 lives were lost for no good reason and advanced weaponary isnt the solution.

“Peace Advocate”

Since: Dec 08

Earth

#67 Jan 19, 2009
Obama Finklestein wrote:
Turkish doctor has a Hamass flag on the wall in his basement where he sits in the dark and watches Farful The Mouse on video.
you wish.
i just quit playing call of duty and switched off my ps3, i m typing this from my apple and have to go now because i ll be eating freshly food in my luxurious open kitchen. oh, about the movie, i will be watching slumdog millionaire.
Ize Back

United States

#68 Jan 19, 2009
Turkish Doctor wrote:
ize back. just because my fascist government invaded and raped another countries territory doesnt give you the right. so what you say doesnt change anything. my president, my army etc.. they do not represent me. i am an individual, and as an individual i m against such military operations. lets see what israel gained with latest gaza attacks? lets see.. i bet you anything it achieved nothing. no goals were accomplished. in a few months, the same incidents will happen again. what does that tell you? well it must tell you 1000 lives were lost for no good reason and advanced weaponary isnt the solution.
Okay. You made your point. We have many "individuals" here, too. They only come out at night and post feverishly in these threads. To the majority of Americans, they are considered whiners and crybabies with no respect for their Country or themselves.
Rapier

United States

#69 Jan 19, 2009
bpnirvana wrote:
Children, children--please, let's stop our bickering. It all comes down to this. If all the Jew haters were Jewish, they would know just what idiots Jew haters are. Take "Turkish Doctor" for instance. It says "Peace Advocate" under his screen name. He calls Israel a monster for defending itself against its Hamas aggressors, who want to wipe Israel off the map with bombs. Turkish Doctor, thanks for proving my point that you and the rest of the Jew haters are idiots. If you had a brain, you'd be dangerous...
All commies use the terms "advocates" or "peace" for the something or other cause.
cindylou

Skokie, IL

#70 Jan 19, 2009
Had Pals and Muslim leaders accepted the reality of Israel being an accepted country in 1948, there would be peace now. Had they accepted it instead of continually threatening the demise of Israel and Jews world wide, all these years. There would now be peace. I believe this as much as I believe that the US will have a black president, voted in by all the people, not just one race or one religion. And, for it taking us so long at least we progressed on our voyage, starting with Lincoln. Was it too long...of course, but it did have to start somewhere.
Jamie M

United States

#71 Jan 19, 2009
To the folks who think Israel is the aggressor here, please answer this question...

What would you do, as leader of Israel, if Hamas terrorists were lobbing missiles into Israeli neighborhoods? Bear in mind that the Hamas terrorists operate out of, and hide in, civilian areas.

Please tell me what you would do differently?

Listen. Israel is NOT targeting Palestinian civilians. They are targeting Hamas terrorists. But the terrorists, cowards they are, hide in residential areas.

So Israel is forced to choose between:

(1) killing the terrorists, which unfortunately means Palestinian civilians will also be killed

(2) doing nothing, and letting the Hamas terrorists continue to murder innocent Israelis.

If you are the leader of Israel, you literally have to choose between Israeli lives and Palestinian lives. That is an awful choice. But it is also an easy choice. You have to protect your own.

If Hamas wants to stop the killing of Palestinian children, as they claim, perhaps they should stop using Palestinian children as shields.

Please do not criticize the Israelis here unless you can tell me what you would do in their shoes.
Jamie M

United States

#72 Jan 19, 2009
terry wrote:
BlackMamba;
There were numerous occasions during the past hostilities when Israel cellphoned civilians in the areas on which they were about to fire in order to give them time to get out. why were they going to fire on those sites? Because hamas had fired FROM those sites on civilian targets in Israel as they CONTINUE to do.
If my tax dollars are being used to help defend Israel and her very RIGHT TO EXIST that's fine with me.
GREAT post. It is inarguable fact that Israel sends text messages into the Palestinian areas, telling the residents that Israeli strikes are coming.

Israel (the good guys) wants to kill the terrorists, and the Israelis do what they can do limit the civilian casualties.

Hamas (the bad guys) intentionally target Israeli civilian areas, because their goal is to kill Israeli civilians. Hamas knows they cannot stand toe-to-toe with the Israeli military.

I read all the posts bashing Osrael, and not once did any of you suggest what you think the Israeli leaders shuold do when Hamas launches missiles into Israeli neighborhoods, and then Hamas uses their own children as shields.
Jamie M

United States

#73 Jan 19, 2009
captDrake wrote:
<quoted text>Big difference Einstein. Maybe if you establish a starting point, you'll be able to focus more clearly.
First- A rocket is sent skyward toward Isreal, having no electronic tracking or targeting technology.
Second- An Isreali soldier gives coordinates to Air command, the location from where the rocket came from.
Third- An Isreali fighter jet or attack helicopter sends in ordinance to that spot, in an obvious attempt to retaliate agiainst rocket launchers.
Your comments and allegations hold no water. Any simpleton with an ounce of common sense would see this. Most Isreal haters are so deep in denial, pertaining to the cause of Palastinian civilians dying, trying somehow to put a spin on it. If you are infact a Jew hater, be forthright and convince us why we should support Isreal's enemies.
Another good post. As they say on Seinfield, "love the Drake"!

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#74 Jan 19, 2009
The long term solution has to be educaiton and economic opportunity. Education and convincing that secular government is in everybody's best interest. There should not be an official "jewish" state, and there should not be an official "islamic" state. Remove those religious barriers and there will be true freedom and liberty.
Ahmad

Palestinian Territory

#75 Jan 19, 2009
OK , I TOLD YOU SO !
----------
Hamas gave Israel 7 days to get out of Gaza .

Israeli Objectives :
1- Destroy Hamas -FAILED.
2-Stop launching rockets -FAILED.
3..Failed
4..Failed
5..Failed
6..Failed

So who wins ?
Hamas . Thank God .

XD
Allen

Rochester, NY

#76 Jan 19, 2009
Hamas only wanted a Ceasefire so they could now move their Rockets to other Populated Area's where Non Combatants live, so in a short time when they start to fire at Isreal as has been the case over and over, Isreal will eventually say enough is enough and then people that are so misinformed will be saying how bad Isreal is when in Fact it is the cowardly act of Hamas and Terrorists in General to use Human Shields! Then Cowards always seem to fight this way!
Rita Brunn

United States

#77 Jan 19, 2009
This morning I heard a couple of political analysts credit people like us, those who comment, for the good changes that are taking place in our world.

Many of us have, here, for example and in other posts, spoke out against the need for us to keep, always, in mind our humanitarian responsibilities to one another (survival of humanity depends on it)!

I do know it is simplistic to believe that we, the posters who wrote against injustice, were the only cause of the withdrawal of troops from Palestine; however, I do believe that we played an important role.

I then heard children from a private school in the Chicago area who will be singing in some part of the inaugural tomorrow.

The words which were written (remember, the pen is mightier than the sword) and sung by these students are worth repeating in this comment.

Here's the song:

"Time, for a brand new day,
All around the world,
There's gotta be a better way
For peace around the world,
Live in Peace,
and Harmony,
Love one another,
for eternity."

Perhaps, if you didn't have the pleasure of hearing it today, you will tomorrow!

And the children shall lead us!

Since: Jan 09

United States

#78 Jan 19, 2009
Jamie M wrote:
To the folks who think Israel is the aggressor here, please answer this question...
What would you do, as leader of Israel, if Hamas terrorists were lobbing missiles into Israeli neighborhoods? Bear in mind that the Hamas terrorists operate out of, and hide in, civilian areas.
Please tell me what you would do differently?
Listen. Israel is NOT targeting Palestinian civilians. They are targeting Hamas terrorists. But the terrorists, cowards they are, hide in residential areas.
So Israel is forced to choose between:
(1) killing the terrorists, which unfortunately means Palestinian civilians will also be killed
(2) doing nothing, and letting the Hamas terrorists continue to murder innocent Israelis.
If you are the leader of Israel, you literally have to choose between Israeli lives and Palestinian lives. That is an awful choice. But it is also an easy choice. You have to protect your own.
If Hamas wants to stop the killing of Palestinian children, as they claim, perhaps they should stop using Palestinian children as shields.
Please do not criticize the Israelis here unless you can tell me what you would do in their shoes.
Well said!
Bubba

Chicago, IL

#79 Jan 19, 2009
Turkish Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
you find data about how many israeli lives Hamas had taken
and i ll find out how many palestinian lives israeli's had taken.
wanna try?
after all its all about human lives, correct? so lets see who is the biggest murderer.
my god you are pathetic. when you see an aircraft with tons of bombs, suddenly you are blinded, that is not terrorism.
anyone who uses advanced weaponary isnt a terrorist. that is your logic.
No Gaza invasion by Israel without thousands of Hamas rockets fired at Israeli civilians.

Since: Jan 09

United States

#80 Jan 19, 2009
cindylou wrote:
Had Pals and Muslim leaders accepted the reality of Israel being an accepted country in 1948, there would be peace now. Had they accepted it instead of continually threatening the demise of Israel and Jews world wide, all these years. There would now be peace. I believe this as much as I believe that the US will have a black president, voted in by all the people, not just one race or one religion. And, for it taking us so long at least we progressed on our voyage, starting with Lincoln. Was it too long...of course, but it did have to start somewhere.
Amen, however the goal of Hamas is not to live in peace beside Israel but to drive all the Israelis into the sea and for the total destruction of Israel.
The Palestinian people have no voice in the fruitless decisions made by their government, decisions Hamas makes on orders from their puppetmasters in Iran.
Bubba

Chicago, IL

#81 Jan 19, 2009
ephotonic wrote:
The long term solution has to be educaiton and economic opportunity. Education and convincing that secular government is in everybody's best interest. There should not be an official "jewish" state, and there should not be an official "islamic" state. Remove those religious barriers and there will be true freedom and liberty.
Try telling the 58 Islamic states in the Organization of the Islamic Conference that there should be no Islamic states. They cover an are 3 times the size of the continental United States and a population of 1.5 billion. Democracies? Tolerant? Hah, hah, hah, hah.......
Greg

Cicero, IL

#82 Jan 19, 2009
ephotonic wrote:
The long term solution has to be educaiton and economic opportunity. Education and convincing that secular government is in everybody's best interest. There should not be an official "jewish" state, and there should not be an official "islamic" state. Remove those religious barriers and there will be true freedom and liberty.
Israel's Education Ministry is usually run by a secular political party.
Bubba

Chicago, IL

#83 Jan 19, 2009
Turkish Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
exactly
there are many kurds here in Istanbul, but they dont riot, cause violence. why? because they are now used to live in a big city, they have their job, their personal car, a girlfriend, a nice house. or at least the possibility, the dream of these stuff. in the eastern lands of my country, where kurds are highly populated, thats why there is chaos. because they dont have those stuff to look forward to. if you give these people a purpose they would not be violent. thats how the kurds in major cities arent violent. why should they? solution is simple. turkey will suspend all its army budget and invest in those lands. israel do the same to palestinians. i assure you when those people see they are being treated in a nice hospital and get educated in a university, they will give up their weapons. thats how there is no chaos in istanbul. we have kurds here too, but they are city people now :)
we should adapt the same city life to other regions.(worldwide)
You left out the part about Turkish military attacking and killing hundreds of Kurds both in Turkey and Iraq the last year or so. Minor detail, right?

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