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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49771 Mar 1, 2013
DANTE SAYS THAT MUHAMMAD & ALI ARE IN HELL FOR ALL THEIR SINS:

Dante, on visiting the lowest level of Hell, meets two men with their bodies split and he learns that they were Muhammad and Ali.

Dante describes his encounter with these two wretched men graphically:

“Truly cask, by losing mid-board or cross-piece, is not so split open as one I saw cleft from the chin to where the wind is broken: between his legs were hanging his entrails, his inner parts were visible, and the dismal sack that makes ordure of what is swallowed. Whilst all on seeing him I fix myself, he looked at me, and with his hands opened his breast, saying, "Now see how I rend myself, see how mangled is Mahomet. Ali goeth before me weeping, cleft in the face from chin to forelock; and all the others whom thou seest here were, when living, sowers of scandal and of schism, and therefore are they so cleft.”

Which Muslim can disprove this claim made by Dante?

(smiles)
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#49772 Mar 1, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well maybe you like, fish or crustations. but i prefer, a real woman from G-D.
rabbee: would not even care, if She was a YaHee J-A-P. as long as she had a longing to be true to HaShem G-D, here in TheTorah again. don't want no woman totally against G-D, here in TheTorah again. and adam has always, had bad luck in this forever same again story from G-D. in this world that makes it impossible to find even one she-critter true to G-D. don't want, no talking critter for my mate. even if it is the only thing, this world has to offer again. cause we ain't never, going to get to GanEden that way. if all you can do, is piss G-D off here in TheTorah again.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49773 Mar 1, 2013
Dr Solomon.

(smiles)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#49774 Mar 1, 2013
Now Dante is another "expert" on Islam whose views are binding on all Muslims.

What else we can expect from false yogis, in fact kids that want to pass of as sages!!

Passing on hand comments on prophets of God while they are not even worthy to tie their shoe laces.

Self glorification is the "most killer" quality that every yogi must avoid.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49776 Mar 2, 2013
SCHRODINGER'S CAT & VEDANTA:

It is obvious that Schrödinger changed his mind about a wave aspect to electrons between 1923 and 1926.

There is some controversy about how Schrödinger actually arrived at Wave Mechanics, but in the Fall of 1925, presumably as he was building his theory, he wrote an essay, "Seek for the Road", which may provide some clues.

(Reference: My View of the World, Cambridge, 1964).

You may recall the Schrödinger's Cat paradox, which was first published in its "scientific form" in 1935 in Zeitschrift der Physick. However in his 1925 essay, he recounts an ancient Sankhya Hindu paradox that, jazzed up with some technology, became the cat paradox. In that original form the paradox was cast in the form of two people, one looking at a garden, the other in a dark room. The modern equivalent would be one person looking in the box to see if the cat is alive or dead, while a second person waits out in the hall. In this modern form the state "collapses" for the first person while it does not collapse for the second person.

In 1925 Schrõdinger resolved that paradox the way the Vedantists did:- He asserted that all consciousness is one.

As he wrote:

"But it is quite easy to express the solution in words, thus: the plurality [of viewpoints] that we perceive is only an appearance; it is not real. Vedantic philosophy, in which this is a fundamental dogma, has sought to clarify it by a number of analogies, one of the most attractive being the many-faceted crystal which, while showing hundreds of little pictures of what is in reality a single existent object, does not really multiply the object."

Here is another fragment of that essay:

"... you may suddenly come to see, in a flash, the profound rightness of the basic conviction of Vedanta:... knowledge, feeling and choice are essentially eternal and unchangeable and numerically one in all men, nay in all sensitive beings."

Finally, Schrödinger himself makes an interesting analogy between Vedantic philosophy and modern physics:

"If finally we look back at that idea of Mach [that `the universe is not twice given'], we shall realize that it comes as near to the orthodox dogma of the Upanishads as it could possibly do without stating it expressis verbis. The external world and consciousness are one and the same thing."
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49777 Mar 2, 2013
VEDANTA-BUDDHISM & QUANTUM MECHANICS:

Despite their radically different worldview, shortly after their publication it was shown that Matrix Mechanics and Wave Mechanics are mathematically identical. In fact, Schrödinger was one of the people who did the proof.

Despite their formal equivalence, there seems to be more than just logic involved in the interpretation of the mathematics.

A) Heisenberg wrote:

"The more I ponder the physical part of Schrðdinger's theory, the more disgusting it appears to me."

B) Schrödinger wrote:

"If one has to stick to this damned quantum jumping, then I regret ever having been involved in this thing."

In the 5th century of the current era, there was a bitter argument in India between the Sankhya Hindus and the Buddhists about the nature of Universal Flux. Debates were held which lasted for days, and would attract huge crowds.

A) According to the Buddhists:

The phenomena consist of an infinity of discrete moments following one another almost without intervals.... There is no matter at all, flashes of energy follow one another and produce the illusion of stabilized phenomena. The universe is a staccato movement.

B) According to the Hindus:

The phenomena are nothing but waves or fluctuations standing out upon the background of an eternal, all-pervading undifferentiated Matter with which they are identical. The universe represents a legato movement.

Reference: F. Theodor Stcherbatsky, Buddhist Logic, Vol I, pg 83.

Even allowing for the possibility that Schrödinger's Wave Mechanics may have been influenced by Hindu philosophy, as the case appears to be, the parallels between the Buddhist-Hindu argument and the Heisenberg-Schrödinger aesthetic clash are striking.

Since: May 12

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#49778 Mar 2, 2013
JOEL wrote:
DANTE SAYS THAT MUHAMMAD & ALI ARE IN HELL FOR ALL THEIR SINS:
Dante, on visiting the lowest level of Hell, meets two men with their bodies split and he learns that they were Muhammad and Ali.
Dante describes his encounter with these two wretched men graphically:
“Truly cask, by losing mid-board or cross-piece, is not so split open as one I saw cleft from the chin to where the wind is broken: between his legs were hanging his entrails, his inner parts were visible, and the dismal sack that makes ordure of what is swallowed. Whilst all on seeing him I fix myself, he looked at me, and with his hands opened his breast, saying, "Now see how I rend myself, see how mangled is Mahomet. Ali goeth before me weeping, cleft in the face from chin to forelock; and all the others whom thou seest here were, when living, sowers of scandal and of schism, and therefore are they so cleft.”
Which Muslim can disprove this claim made by Dante?
(smiles)
Before to write silly title and question have you understood who is Dante Alighieri and what Divina Commedia is?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49779 Mar 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Joel--You'd made a statement saying that Jamaica is ahead of India:
Ok, let's find out, if this claim is true:
HughBe--- The source is True and so the claim is true.
Joel-- How does Jamaica compare to India in space...?
HughBe--- The land mass of India is bigger and so the atmosphere or space is bigger.
Joel--Does Jamaica have educational institutions on par with IIT, IIM, AIIMS and others?
HughBe--- I would say better educational Institutions. The law faculty for example won some international competition 3 consecutive years.
Our literacy rate is HIGHER than India and that is a FACT.
Joel--How many billionaires does Jamaica have?
HughBe-- An intelligent question would be, how many billionaires are in Jamaica per million persons. Ask the same about India and then do the comparison.
Having said that, number of billionaires are not an indicator of development. You need to look at things such as INFRASTRUCTURE e.g. ROADS.
Get it, dear?
or Gross National Happiness (GNH)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_h...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49780 Mar 2, 2013
JOEL wrote:
SCHRODINGER'S CAT & VEDANTA:
It is obvious that Schrödinger changed his mind about a wave aspect to electrons between 1923 and 1926.
There is some controversy about how Schrödinger actually arrived at Wave Mechanics, but in the Fall of 1925, presumably as he was building his theory, he wrote an essay, "Seek for the Road", which may provide some clues.
(Reference: My View of the World, Cambridge, 1964).
You may recall the Schrödinger's Cat paradox, which was first published in its "scientific form" in 1935 in Zeitschrift der Physick. However in his 1925 essay, he recounts an ancient Sankhya Hindu paradox that, jazzed up with some technology, became the cat paradox. In that original form the paradox was cast in the form of two people, one looking at a garden, the other in a dark room. The modern equivalent would be one person looking in the box to see if the cat is alive or dead, while a second person waits out in the hall. In this modern form the state "collapses" for the first person while it does not collapse for the second person.
In 1925 Schrõdinger resolved that paradox the way the Vedantists did:- He asserted that all consciousness is one.
As he wrote:
"But it is quite easy to express the solution in words, thus: the plurality [of viewpoints] that we perceive is only an appearance; it is not real. Vedantic philosophy, in which this is a fundamental dogma, has sought to clarify it by a number of analogies, one of the most attractive being the many-faceted crystal which, while showing hundreds of little pictures of what is in reality a single existent object, does not really multiply the object."
Here is another fragment of that essay:
"... you may suddenly come to see, in a flash, the profound rightness of the basic conviction of Vedanta:... knowledge, feeling and choice are essentially eternal and unchangeable and numerically one in all men, nay in all sensitive beings."
Finally, Schrödinger himself makes an interesting analogy between Vedantic philosophy and modern physics:
"If finally we look back at that idea of Mach [that `the universe is not twice given'], we shall realize that it comes as near to the orthodox dogma of the Upanishads as it could possibly do without stating it expressis verbis. The external world and consciousness are one and the same thing."
Looks like you cut and pasted from this webpage

http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInteres...

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#49782 Mar 2, 2013
AMEN! Selah.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#49783 Mar 2, 2013
I wish the Jews would preach publicly, non Jews don't understand Judaism and they're not interested. The Jews are very misunderstood, and most people don't understand what Judaism is all about. When the Messiah comes, he'll have his work cut out for him, and the world will be against him, he will plead with the world until they kill him, but he'll come back on the Mount of Olives with the entire host of heaven. Zech 14:3-11. In that day shall there be one Lord and his name one.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49784 Mar 2, 2013
plead with the world until they kill him?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49786 Mar 2, 2013
Unified field of Consciousness-Energy - "Separation without separateness, reality without rift."
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49787 Mar 2, 2013
CONCLUSION:

So, the Vedanta and Buddhism reflect the reality and the expositions of these ancient mystico-philosophical traditions parallel many of the key conclusions of modern science that has in fact been inspired by the nondualistic methods and principles of Vedanta, while NT, Torah, Quran and other books have become the preserve of the ignorant, fanatical, superstitious and the uncultured masses.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49788 Mar 2, 2013
THE SUPRAMENTAL YOGA SUPERSEDES VEDANTA & BUDDHISM:

With the advent of the supramental yoga that comes into the earth consciousness for the first time ever, the refined expositions of the Vedanta and Buddhism get a further fillip and in fact are superseded by its superior teachings and exalted results that're based on the unification and transformation of the currents of mind-matter that culminate in the first perfection of the mind-matter matrix.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49789 Mar 2, 2013
NT, Torah, Quran and other books have become the preserve of the ignorant, fanatical, superstitious and uncultured masses.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49790 Mar 2, 2013
REALS:

Any discussion, experiment or experience dealing with the nature of the reality and its manifested effects have to be based on the unification of the only tangibles in the whole of existence which are consciousness, energy and matter, their modes of interaction, their degrees of manifestation and their unification into an undifferentiated absolute. Nothing else exists besides this and all else is nonsense.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49791 Mar 2, 2013
And, please, no blood sacrifices that were instituted by abnormal and dysfunctional men of limited understanding or experience.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49792 Mar 2, 2013
Unification is the key-word.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49793 Mar 2, 2013
Today being sunday, no workout in the gym.

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